With all due respect to Champ Bailey

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Those throws were the right reads. For starters. it was one on one, mono e mono and its your guy against there's. Usually that's what you look for as a qb. When you have no saftey help QB's eyes generally light up. Now, with Champ, that's the first plays he has made in a while. Thanks Champ for getting healthy for us. The last few seasons you can say what you want about Bailey but he was awful. That was mainly due to being hurt. I remember the Chargers would complete 6-7 passes on him every game. With that being said he was hurt. Coming into this season someone had to test him and it just happened to be us. He won the battle, hats off. Let's move on. The point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't criticize Tony for that one. We can lay into him for a lot(like the int Bailey had) but I don't think this one is justified. A receiver should win one on one battles hands down. The field is too darn big for a db to stay with a receiver with no help.
 

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playmakers;3001631 said:
Those throws were the right reads. For starters. it was one on one, mono e mono and its your guy against there's. Usually that's what you look for as a qb. When you have no saftey help QB's eyes generally light up. Now, with Champ, that's the first plays he has made in a while. Thanks Champ for getting healthy for us. The last few seasons you can say what you want about Bailey but he was awful. That was mainly due to being hurt. I remember the Chargers would complete 6-7 passes on him every game. With that being said he was hurt. Coming into this season someone had to test him and it just happened to be us. He won the battle, hats off. Let's move on. The point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't criticize Tony for that one. We can lay into him for a lot(like the int Bailey had) but I don't think this one is justified. A receiver should win one on one battles hands down. The field is too darn big for a db to stay with a receiver with no help.



Smart qbs pick and choose their battles smartly. Peyton used to always avoid Champ when he was on Harrison, and MURDERED whoever was guarding Reggie Wayne. Cut the bull!
 

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playmakers;3001631 said:
Those throws were the right reads. For starters. it was one on one, mono e mono and its your guy against there's. Usually that's what you look for as a qb. When you have no saftey help QB's eyes generally light up. Now, with Champ, that's the first plays he has made in a while. Thanks Champ for getting healthy for us. The last few seasons you can say what you want about Bailey but he was awful. That was mainly due to being hurt. I remember the Chargers would complete 6-7 passes on him every game. With that being said he was hurt. Coming into this season someone had to test him and it just happened to be us. He won the battle, hats off. Let's move on. The point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't criticize Tony for that one. We can lay into him for a lot(like the int Bailey had) but I don't think this one is justified. A receiver should win one on one battles hands down. The field is too darn big for a db to stay with a receiver with no help.

A hobbled Champ Bailey is better than 70% of NFL corners -- he's never been awful.

But I agree it was the right read. However it's Champ Bailey against Sam Hurd. I dont know if I like the decision, being that Bailey baited Romo into the throw, but I cant necessarily say I disagree with the pre-snap read I dont have a problem.
 

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Those throws were the right reads. For starters.

...ummm, no. A #4 WR vs. a pro-bowl corner is never the right read. Not once and certainly not twice at the end of a game when you need one single completion to tie it.
 

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But guys, Bailey has just been average the last few seasons and was only considered elite because of his rep. Granted, it was due to injuries but he was toast last year. Test the guy.

The other thing you might consider from Romo's point of view is the Broncos were playing cover zero meaning they were blitzing everybody except the db's. Now if he would of threw to the other side of the field it would of been difficult to throw a slant with everyone blitzing from up top. Down on Bailey' s side there were less people and it was easier to get a throw off. If Romo would of threw to Austin it might of got batted away imo.

Personally, I would of ran an in to an out on Bailey. Pump that In hard and Bailey would of jumped that, he had to, and Hurd would of been wide open on the out.
 

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Another factor in those two plays, was that both times 3rd and 4th down, Denver's defense went into a all out blitz, so it wasn't like Romo had alot of time to see all of his available options.
 

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jacks1;3001636 said:
...ummm, no. A #4 WR vs. a pro-bowl corner is never the right read. Not once and certainly not twice at the end of a game when you need one single completion to tie it.


cause you know what your talking about right? maybe ill advised to throw against champ but it was the right read and if you say it is not then you dont know a thing about how the game is played. it was a quick hit route he beat him to the inside if you want to blame anyone blame hurd cause he drifted farther in the endzone when he should have been coming toward the goalline which would have kept champ from making the play. i believe there should have been PI on the play but regardless it was a great play by champ he got the better of us.
 

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stilltheguru;3001633 said:
Smart qbs pick and choose their battles smartly. Peyton used to always avoid Champ when he was on Harrison, and MURDERED whoever was guarding Reggie Wayne. Cut the bull!

Preach it brother. Amen.
 

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it was the right read....a great throw and Hurd was open. The only way Champ can get his hand on the ball is to brace himself AGAINST the WR....which he DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you want to say the refs cannot make that call in that situation....fine! But you cannot go through a WR or hook a WR to get to the ball.
 

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Those throws were the right reads. For starters. it was one on one, mono e mono and its your guy against there's. Usually that's what you look for as a qb. When you have no saftey help QB's eyes generally light up. Now, with Champ, that's the first plays he has made in a while. Thanks Champ for getting healthy for us. The last few seasons you can say what you want about Bailey but he was awful. That was mainly due to being hurt. I remember the Chargers would complete 6-7 passes on him every game. With that being said he was hurt. Coming into this season someone had to test him and it just happened to be us. He won the battle, hats off. Let's move on. The point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't criticize Tony for that one. We can lay into him for a lot(like the int Bailey had) but I don't think this one is justified. A receiver should win one on one battles hands down. The field is too darn big for a db to stay with a receiver with no help.

Thanks for the explanation Mr Garrett. Guess you were right all along to call those plays. :rolleyes:
 

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playmakers;3001643 said:
Test the guy.
They did that once. I didn't see a need to do it again on the very next play with the exact same play called.

Some would call that the definition of insanity.
 

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playmakers;3001631 said:
Those throws were the right reads. For starters. it was one on one, mono e mono and its your guy against there's. Usually that's what you look for as a qb. When you have no saftey help QB's eyes generally light up. Now, with Champ, that's the first plays he has made in a while. Thanks Champ for getting healthy for us. The last few seasons you can say what you want about Bailey but he was awful. That was mainly due to being hurt. I remember the Chargers would complete 6-7 passes on him every game. With that being said he was hurt. Coming into this season someone had to test him and it just happened to be us. He won the battle, hats off. Let's move on. The point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't criticize Tony for that one. We can lay into him for a lot(like the int Bailey had) but I don't think this one is justified. A receiver should win one on one battles hands down. The field is too darn big for a db to stay with a receiver with no help.

its your 4th stringer againat their best CB no way in hell is that the best read.
 

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playmakers;3001631 said:
Those throws were the right reads. For starters. it was one on one, mono e mono and its your guy against there's. Usually that's what you look for as a qb. When you have no saftey help QB's eyes generally light up. Now, with Champ, that's the first plays he has made in a while. Thanks Champ for getting healthy for us. The last few seasons you can say what you want about Bailey but he was awful. That was mainly due to being hurt. I remember the Chargers would complete 6-7 passes on him every game. With that being said he was hurt. Coming into this season someone had to test him and it just happened to be us. He won the battle, hats off. Let's move on. The point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't criticize Tony for that one. We can lay into him for a lot(like the int Bailey had) but I don't think this one is justified. A receiver should win one on one battles hands down. The field is too darn big for a db to stay with a receiver with no help.

Champ Bailey is washed up and the only reason he went to the pro bowl that last couple of season's is because of his name period...
 

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It was an all out blitz, so Romo had to get rid of the ball quick. The pass was really good, but Hurd didn't come down with it. Some say Austin was open, but did he run the right route? Tony didn't trust him after what happened earlier. In retrospect, I wish he had trusted Austin. I wish Witten had been a reciever instead of a blocker. I wish Barber had been healthy enough to bang it in. I wish the Cowboys had won. Too late. Let's move on.
 

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lqmac1;3002220 said:
Champ Bailey is washed up and the only reason he went to the pro bowl that last couple of season's is because of his name period...

False!
 

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Those throws were the right reads. For starters. it was one on one, mono e mono and its your guy against there's. Usually that's what you look for as a qb. When you have no saftey help QB's eyes generally light up. Now, with Champ, that's the first plays he has made in a while. Thanks Champ for getting healthy for us. The last few seasons you can say what you want about Bailey but he was awful. That was mainly due to being hurt. I remember the Chargers would complete 6-7 passes on him every game. With that being said he was hurt. Coming into this season someone had to test him and it just happened to be us. He won the battle, hats off. Let's move on. The point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't criticize Tony for that one. We can lay into him for a lot(like the int Bailey had) but I don't think this one is justified. A receiver should win one on one battles hands down. The field is too darn big for a db to stay with a receiver with no help.
I agree, the receiver was wide open for a couple of seconds and the ball was late. Good read by Tony, poor delivery in my opinion. BTW, I don't buy all the hype about Bailey. He got beat on both of those slants.
 

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Boyzmamacita;3002237 said:
It was an all out blitz, so Romo had to get rid of the ball quick. The pass was really good, but Hurd didn't come down with it. Some say Austin was open, but did he run the right route? Tony didn't trust him after what happened earlier. In retrospect, I wish he had trusted Austin. I wish Witten had been a reciever instead of a blocker. I wish Barber had been healthy enough to bang it in. I wish the Cowboys had won. Too late. Let's move on.

All three Receivers were open on that pattern. Hurd was open on his break but the ball was not delivered until later in the pattern. Crayton had beaten his man as well. In fact, it was the DB who was covering Crayton that forced the throw to be tight into Hurds body instead of out in front where Bailey could not get a hand on it. He was closing on Hurd. Miles beat his man so badly that he was open by a good two yards the whole way on that pattern. It was also a natural throwing lane because the right side cleared when the blitzer came from the right side of the defense. Had Tony looked on that side, it would have been an easy pitch and catch.

No matter, it's done. Learn from it and move on.
 

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Wasn't the right read because the other 2 receivers were in single coverage as well.
 
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