With Two Weeks Left - AL East

[ABQCOWBOY]

3-1 going into the bottom of the 9th!

Extra Innings.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yankees Win.

Yankees now have a one game lead on Baltimore for the Eastern Division Title and a one game lead for the best record in the American League with one game to go. At worst, they will tie for both best record in the American League and AL East.

The question I have is, what if the Yankees lose tomorrow? Do they then have to play a one game series with the O's to decide the East and also a one game series with the winner of the Texas/Oakland game to decide home field as well? Would they have to play two games or would one game against the O's decide both?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Yankees Win.

Yankees now have a one game lead on Baltimore for the Eastern Division Title and a one game lead for the best record in the American League with one game to go. At worst, they will tie for both best record in the American League and AL East.

The question I have is, what if the Yankees lose tomorrow? Do they then have to play a one game series with the O's to decide the East and also a one game series with the winner of the Texas/Oakland game to decide home field as well? Would they have to play two games or would one game against the O's decide both?

Just win and its not a factor.

If they tie with the Orioles they go to Baltimore for game 163 - a regular season game. Winner is division winner. Loser is WC.

If the Sux couldnt even hold on last nite its really hard to imagine them winning tonite - but anything can happen. Have to say its nice to see the Sux where they are. That FO has a mess!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Just win and its not a factor.

If they tie with the Orioles they go to Baltimore for game 163 - a regular season game. Winner is division winner. Loser is WC.

If the Sux couldnt even hold on last nite its really hard to imagine them winning tonite - but anything can happen. Have to say its nice to see the Sux where they are. That FO has a mess!

I know what happens if the Orioles and Yankees tie. What I am wondering is what happens with the AL home field?

Are you saying that they only play the one game and that win or lose is what decides the best record in the AL?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I know what happens if the Orioles and Yankees tie. What I am wondering is what happens with the AL home field?

Are you saying that they only play the one game and that win or lose is what decides the best record in the AL?

I would think some tiebreaker would decide homefield if teams have identical records. Like head to head competition. Not sure tho.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

This is a post on an Orioles Forum:

3:35 Texas at Oakland (Dempster vs Griffin)
7:05 Baltimore at Tampa (Tillman vs Hellickson)
7:05 Boston at New York (Matsuzaka vs Kuroda)

What We Know

-- Tigers are Central Division Champs and Division Seed #3

-- Winner of tomorrow's Tex/Oak game is AL West Champ at 94-68; loser is
a wild card at 93-69

-- Baltimore and New York are also both in the playoffs

We win Tomorrow

-- If the Yankees win, Yankees are AL East Champ at 94-68

...............if Texas wins, Yankees are Division Seed #1, and Rangers are Division Seed #2. Wild Card Game Friday is Oakland at Baltimore. Winner of Wild Card game begins Division Series at home Sunday and Monday vs Yankees. Other Division Series begins Saturday and Sunday with A's at Tigers.

.............if Oakland wins, A's are Division Seed #1 and Yankees are DIvision Seed #2. Wild Card Game Friday is Texas at Baltimore. Winner of Wild Card game begins Division Series at home Sunday and Monday at home vs A's. Other Division Series begins Saturday and Sunday with Yankees at Tigers.

-- If the Yankees lose, Orioles and Yankees tie for AL East at 94-68. A one game tiebreaker is played Thursday: New York at Baltimore.

.............if Yankees win Tiebreaker game, Yankees are AL East Champ. All of the above under "Yankees are AL East Champ" in blue is still true.

.............if Orioles win Tiebreaker game, Orioles are AL East Champ. Orioles are #2 Division Seed and begin Division Series Saturday and Sunday at Detroit. Yankees play wild card game vs AL West runnerup (loser of tomorrow's Tex/Oak game). Yankees are the home team. Winner of that series begins Division Series Sunday and Monday at home vs AL West Champion.

We Lose Tomorrow

-- Yankees are AL East Champ. If Yankees win and Texas beat Oakland, Yankees are #1 Division Seed and Rangers are #2 Division seed. Otherwise, Oak/Tex winner is #1 Division Seed and Yankees are #2 Division seed.

-- Orioles are #2 wild card. We would play a wildcard game Friday at the home of the loser of Wednesday's Oakland/Texas Game. If we won that, we would begin a Division Series Sunday and Monday at home vs the #1 Division Seed (see one paragraph above to see who this is). The Tigers would begin a Division Series Saturday and Sunday vs the #2 Division Seed.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is a post on an Orioles Forum:

3:35 Texas at Oakland (Dempster vs Griffin)
7:05 Baltimore at Tampa (Tillman vs Hellickson)
7:05 Boston at New York (Matsuzaka vs Kuroda)

What We Know

-- Tigers are Central Division Champs and Division Seed #3

-- Winner of tomorrow's Tex/Oak game is AL West Champ at 94-68; loser is
a wild card at 93-69

-- Baltimore and New York are also both in the playoffs

We win Tomorrow

-- If the Yankees win, Yankees are AL East Champ at 94-68

...............if Texas wins, Yankees are Division Seed #1, and Rangers are Division Seed #2. Wild Card Game Friday is Oakland at Baltimore. Winner of Wild Card game begins Division Series at home Sunday and Monday vs Yankees. Other Division Series begins Saturday and Sunday with A's at Tigers.

.............if Oakland wins, A's are Division Seed #1 and Yankees are DIvision Seed #2. Wild Card Game Friday is Texas at Baltimore. Winner of Wild Card game begins Division Series at home Sunday and Monday at home vs A's. Other Division Series begins Saturday and Sunday with Yankees at Tigers.

-- If the Yankees lose, Orioles and Yankees tie for AL East at 94-68. A one game tiebreaker is played Thursday: New York at Baltimore.

.............if Yankees win Tiebreaker game, Yankees are AL East Champ. All of the above under "Yankees are AL East Champ" in blue is still true.

.............if Orioles win Tiebreaker game, Orioles are AL East Champ. Orioles are #2 Division Seed and begin Division Series Saturday and Sunday at Detroit. Yankees play wild card game vs AL West runnerup (loser of tomorrow's Tex/Oak game). Yankees are the home team. Winner of that series begins Division Series Sunday and Monday at home vs AL West Champion.

We Lose Tomorrow

-- Yankees are AL East Champ. If Yankees win and Texas beat Oakland, Yankees are #1 Division Seed and Rangers are #2 Division seed. Otherwise, Oak/Tex winner is #1 Division Seed and Yankees are #2 Division seed.

-- Orioles are #2 wild card. We would play a wildcard game Friday at the home of the loser of Wednesday's Oakland/Texas Game. If we won that, we would begin a Division Series Sunday and Monday at home vs the #1 Division Seed (see one paragraph above to see who this is). The Tigers would begin a Division Series Saturday and Sunday vs the #2 Division Seed.

This can't be right. Right now, today, the Yankees have 1 game on everybody in the AL. If they win, they win both AL East and Best Record regardless of what the A's or Texas does. If the Yankees lose, then they are tied with the winner of Texas/Oakland and the O's.

The tie breaker would be as follows:


1 The team with the best record in head to head play.

2 The team with the best overall record in intradivision games.

3 The team with the best record in the final 81 games of the season, ignoring interleague play.

4 The team with the best record in the final 82 games of the season (providing the game added is not between the tied teams), extending backward until the tie is broken (since teams in the same division play each other as many as 19 times, this step is guaranteed to break the tie. Interleague games are skipped and ignored in this process.)


If this is the case and the Yankees were to end up in a tie with the Winner of the West and the O's, then the one game playoff with the O's would decided the Eastern Division. Now, if Texas beat the A's tonight, then the Rangers would win the West.

If Texas won the West:

-If the O's beat the Yankees in a one game divisional decider, then Texas would be the #1 seed and the O's would be the #2 because Texas has a better record against the O's in head to head, which is the first tie breaker.

-If the Yankees beat the O's in a one game divisional decider, then the Yankees would be the #1 and the Rangers would be #2 because the Yankees own the head to head with Texas.

If the A's beat the Rangers tonight then the A's would win the West.

If the A's won the West:

-In this circumstance, if the O's beat the Yankees in a one game divisional decider, then the Rangers would be the #1 seed and the O's would be the #2 as the Rangers own the head to head against the O's, which is the first tie breaker.

-If the Yankees beat the O's in a one game divisional decider, then the Yankees would be the #1 seed and the A's would be the #2 seed. The Yankees split with the A's head to head 5 to 5 but the Yankees own the better Intra Divisional record, 40-31 (Yanks) to 32-24 (A's), which is the second tie breaker.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

This is posted as the corrected version:



My original post last night had a mistake. The Yankees are the #1 seed if they win tonight, NO MATTER WHAT.

3:35 Texas at Oakland (Dempster vs Griffin)
7:05 Baltimore at Tampa (Tillman vs Hellickson)
7:05 Boston at New York (Matsuzaka vs Kuroda)

What We Know

-- Tigers are Central Division Champs and Division Seed #3

-- Winner of today's Tex/Oak game is AL West Champ at 94-68; loser is
a wild card at 93-69

-- Baltimore and New York are also both in the playoffs

-- A Yankee win gives them the AL's best record and #1 seed in the AL Playoffs

We win Tonight

-- If the Yankees win, Yankees are AL East Champ at 95-67 and the Yankees are the #1 seed.

..............The wild card game Friday is in Baltimore between the Orioles and the Oakland/Texas loser. The winner of that game would host the Yankees in a Division Series beginning Sunday. The Oakland/Texas winner would visit the Tigers to begin a Division Series Saturday.

-- If the Yankees lose, Orioles and Yankees tie for AL East at 94-68. A one game tiebreaker is played Thursday: New York at Baltimore.

.............if Yankees win Tiebreaker game, Yankees are AL East Champ.

.........................if A's beat Texas, Oakland is the AL West Champ and #1 Seed, and Yankees are #2 seed. The Wild Card Game Friday is Texas at Baltimore. The winner would begin a Division Series at home Sunday and Monday vs the A's. The Yankees woudl begin a Division Series Saturday and Sunday in Detroit.

.........................if Texas beats the A's, Texas is the AL West Champ and #2 Seed, and the Yankees are #1 Seed. The Wild Card Game Friday is Oakland at Baltimore. The winner would begin a DIvision series at home Sunday and Monday vs the Yankees. The Rangers would begin a Division Series Saturday and Sunday in Detroit.

.............if Orioles win Tiebreaker game, Orioles are AL East Champ. Orioles are #2 Division Seed and begin Division Series Saturday and Sunday at Detroit. Yankees play wild card game vs AL West runnerup (loser of tomorrow's Tex/Oak game). Yankees are the home team. Winner of that series begins Division Series Sunday and Monday at home vs AL West Champion.

We Lose Tonight

-- Yankees are AL East Champ. If Yankees win, Yankees are #1 Division Seed and Rangers are #2 Division seed. If Yankees lose, Oak/Tex winner is #1 Division Seed and Yankees are #2 Division seed.

-- Orioles are #2 wild card. We would play a wildcard game Friday at the home of the loser of Wednesday's Oakland/Texas Game. If we won that, we would begin a Division Series Sunday and Monday at home vs the #1 Division Seed (see one paragraph above to see who this is). The Tigers would begin a Division Series Saturday and Sunday vs the #2 Division Seed.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

.............if Yankees win Tiebreaker game, Yankees are AL East Champ.

.........................if A's beat Texas, Oakland is the AL West Champ and #1 Seed, and Yankees are #2 seed. The Wild Card Game Friday is Texas at Baltimore. The winner would begin a Division Series at home Sunday and Monday vs the A's. The Yankees woudl begin a Division Series Saturday and Sunday in Detroit.

How can this be right?

If the Yankees win the East in a Tie Breaker then how would Oakland have a better record then the Yankees?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Are you saying that the additional game to determine who is the AL East Champ somehow disqualifies the Yankees as contenders for best record in the AL?

 

[rocboy22]

Are you saying that the additional game to determine who is the AL East Champ somehow disqualifies the Yankees as contenders for best record in the AL?

I don't think he is saying anything, he is posting something from another site. I agree, though, what it says doesn't make sense.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think he is saying anything, he is posting something from another site. I agree, though, what it says doesn't make sense.

Agreed. I think that the only way the Yankees don't end up with home field is if they lose tonight and then again vs the O's to decide wildcard and AL East.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Agreed. I think that the only way the Yankees don't end up with home field is if they lose tonight and then again vs the O's to decide wildcard and AL East.

If Yanks and A's finish with the same record, who gets the tiebreaker?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

If Yanks lose and O's win then they play 2moro. The winner of that game will be the #1 seed in the AL.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121003&content_id=39418980&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If Yanks and A's finish with the same record, who gets the tiebreaker?

According to what I understand the tie breakers to be, the Yankees do. They are split in the head to head. The second tie breaker is, I believe, is Intradivisional record or the win/loss record within your own division. The Yankees have a better Intradivisional record then the A's.

That would suggest to me that the Yankees should get the home field.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If Yanks lose and O's win then they play 2moro. The winner of that game will be the #1 seed in the AL.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121003&content_id=39418980&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

No. If the Yankees lost today and then had to play a game with the O's tomorrow, the winner of that game would not necessarily be the #1 seed. If the Yankees won that game, then they would be the number 1 seed because they hold the tie breakers vs either the Rangers or the A's. If the O's won, then the winner of the AL West would be the #1 seed because, unlike the Yankees, both the Rangers and the A's hold the head to head tie breaker vs the O's.

I am pretty certain that this is how it would work.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yankees leading 3-1 in the top of the 4th.

Rays leading 1-0 in the bottom of the 3rd.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Robby Cano-no with a shot!

Yankees 5-1 over the BoSox bottom of the 3rd.

Rays 1-0 in the 4th.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yanks 7-1 in the 5th.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The Yanks now up 9-1.