Witten approaching 1000 career catches

[RunDMC]

Witten is a great TE, but I find it hard to call him a great leader, since he has same knock as romo. Only 2 career playoff wins

Are you serious? You don't need a Super Bowl to be a great leader. Two players can't win a championship alone so to hold that against them is ridiculous. They're both outstanding leaders. The way they prepare, the way they study film, how much time they put in, how they inspire guys, how they make sure others are doing what they're supposed to be doing, and how much they love the game. This is their livelihood. Witten and Romo are great football players and even better leaders.

 

[tyke1doe]

Lol is this even a question? Seriously? Of course Witten would give it all up for a ring. This guy doesn't kill himself every year and training extensively and putting in extra work to put up big numbers. He does it because he wants to win above all else. I'm sure he appreciates being up there with the Sharpes and Gonazlez of the world, but he definitely trade it all for a Super Bowl. That's what it's all about. That's the peak, the pinnacle. The same is true for Romo. You think he keeps trying to come back from multiple back surgeries and all the other injuries because he loves putting up gaudy numbers. No it's about winning and winning alone.

Yes, it's a serious question. Again, there are many hard-working guys who go down in history as average players, but they may be on Super Bowl-winning teams. Meanwhile, there are guys who are hard-working and become the greatest at their position and never win a Super Bowl ring (Cris Carter comes to mind as does Dan Marino).

So the question is ... would Dan Marino want to be remember as Jeff Hostetler and leave the game with a Super Bowl ring or would he want to be remember as Dan Marino without a Super Bowl ring? Would Cris Carter want to be remember as Kevin Williams with a Super Bowl ring or Cris Carter, Hall of Famer without a Super Bowl ring?

Would Jason Witten want to be remember as Eric Bjornson with a Super Bowl ring or Jason Witten without a Super Bowl ring?

I think it's a legitimate question, if you can get over your initial shock and faux outrage that someone would dare ask it.

 

[dstovall5]

It's only right Tony will throw Witten his 1000th catch, unless Cassel decides otherwise ....

 

[RunDMC]

Yes, it's a serious question. Again, there are many hard-working guys who go down in history as average players, but they may be on Super Bowl-winning teams. Meanwhile, there are guys who are hard-working and become the greatest at their position and never win a Super Bowl ring (Cris Carter comes to mind as does Dan Marino).

So the question is ... would Dan Marino want to be remember as Jeff Hostetler and leave the game with a Super Bowl ring or would he want to be remember as Dan Marino without a Super Bowl ring? Would Cris Carter want to be remember as Kevin Williams with a Super Bowl ring or Cris Carter, Hall of Famer without a Super Bowl ring?

Would Jason Witten want to be remember as Eric Bjornson with a Super Bowl ring or Jason Witten without a Super Bowl ring?

I think it's a legitimate question, if you can get over your initial shock and faux outrage that someone would dare ask it.

Witten wants to win above else. He doesn't care about numbers. He'd take the Super Bowl every time. The fact this is even a question is absurd. Witten would never be an average player because he's too skill, talented, and works too hard. Numbers or not.

 

[tyke1doe]

Witten wants to win above else. He doesn't care about numbers. He'd take the Super Bowl every time. The fact this is even a question is absurd. Witten would never be an average player because he's too skill, talented, and works too hard. Numbers or not.

It's not an absurd question. It's a perfectly legitimate one.
But let the faux outrage continue.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

Are you serious? You don't need a Super Bowl to be a great leader. Two players can't win a championship alone so to hold that against them is ridiculous. They're both outstanding leaders. The way they prepare, the way they study film, how much time they put in, how they inspire guys, how they make sure others are doing what they're supposed to be doing, and how much they love the game. This is their livelihood. Witten and Romo are great football players and even better leaders.

Leaders lead people somewhere. If Witten is an outstanding leader, what do you consider players like Steve Yzerman or Tom Brady or Troy Aikman?

It's not like Witten has been on the Browns his entire career. They've had some solid teams, all which have collapsed in the end.

I don't want to come across as a hater, I appreciate everything JW has done (other than his once a game-ish false starts and batting balls in air that get picked), I just don't think he's as great of a leader as people think. His record doesn't show it, and he's never gone out of his way to help the TEs on the roster improve. He's always thought of them as his possible replacements, and a couple former TEs have mentioned how little he helped them due to this. Not exactly showing 'leadership' (as opposed to guys like Lee, Free and Leary helping anyone, even if they could replace them)

 

[RunDMC]

Leaders lead people somewhere. If Witten is an outstanding leader, what do you consider players like Steve Yzerman or Tom Brady or Troy Aikman?

It's not like Witten has been on the Browns his entire career. They've had some solid teams, all which have collapsed in the end.

I don't want to come across as a hater, I appreciate everything JW has done (other than his once a game-ish false starts and batting balls in air that get picked), I just don't think he's as great of a leader as people think. His record doesn't show it, and he's never gone out of his way to help the TEs on the roster improve. He's always thought of them as his possible replacements, and a couple former TEs have mentioned how little he helped them due to this. Not exactly showing 'leadership' (as opposed to guys like Lee, Free and Leary helping anyone, even if they could replace them)

Witten is a tight end. There's only so much he can control. A quarterback has the ball in every snap so naturally he's gonna have a lot more control than a Witten. He is an outstanding leader. What more do you want from him? He holds teammates and himself accountable. He works as hard as anyone. Guys are always saying they aspire to be like Jason. Why? Because he's a great player and leader. Leading isn't just screaming at guys it's showing them how to be a pro and being one yourself. It's giving it everything you have and doing every you possibly can to help your team win. It's not making excuses about not performing or the team not winning. Yeah we've had some decent teams, but none you say oh wow that team is so much better than the rest of the league and they should be the clear favorite. To put that on Witten is ridiculous.

 

[dallasdave]

Him and Tony deserve a ring.

Him and Tony deserve a ring.

Get him 13 catches on Sunday to reach 1000 !!!

 

[jobberone]

I'm sure he'd give 'em all up for a ring.

Maybe not all of them but a significant share to get that ring.

 

[Fletch]

I'm sure he'd give 'em all up for a ring.

In a heartbeat.

 

[dallasdave]

In a heartbeat.

 

[joseephuss]

Witten is a great TE, but I find it hard to call him a great leader, since he has same knock as romo. Only 2 career playoff wins

That is twice as many playoff wins as Tony Gonzalez.

Leaders lead people somewhere. If Witten is an outstanding leader, what do you consider players like Steve Yzerman or Tom Brady or Troy Aikman?

It's not like Witten has been on the Browns his entire career. They've had some solid teams, all which have collapsed in the end.

I don't want to come across as a hater, I appreciate everything JW has done (other than his once a game-ish false starts and batting balls in air that get picked), I just don't think he's as great of a leader as people think. His record doesn't show it, and he's never gone out of his way to help the TEs on the roster improve. He's always thought of them as his possible replacements, and a couple former TEs have mentioned how little he helped them due to this. Not exactly showing 'leadership' (as opposed to guys like Lee, Free and Leary helping anyone, even if they could replace them)

Really? Which former TEs are these? One is probably Martellus Bennett who has very little credibility on the matter since he lacked worked ethic while in Dallas and is also known to just run his mouth. I doubt there is a second former TE who has said negative things about Witten.

 

[percyhoward]

This might have already been mentioned in the Dez blow-up thread, but I didn't read that thread, so I have no idea. Broaddus was contrasting the way Dez and Witten handle criticism by the media. One time after Broaddus had criticized Witten publicy, Witten discreetly pulled him aside and laid into him. "When have I ever ******* run the wrong route?" Broaddus characterized the conversation as mostly just him standing there with his arms crossed, listening to Witten, and nodding his head.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

That is twice as many playoff wins as Tony Gonzalez.



Really? Which former TEs are these? One is probably Martellus Bennett who has very little credibility on the matter since he lacked worked ethic while in Dallas and is also known to just run his mouth. I doubt there is a second former TE who has said negative things about Witten.

Broaddus and Micky joked about it a couple times on Talkin Cowboys about how he would not give tips to younger TEs, or put them under his wing. He saw them as a threat to his spot as top TE.