Witten Fumble

[DBoys]

I have not seen anyone mention the fact that it was not a fumble. Witten's second foot was not on the ground yet when the ball came loose.

I will post a video of it tomorrow.

 

[smarta5150]

Ah that was the other replay I wanted to see.

Good thinking.

 

[MRTRIPOD]

Ah that was the other replay I wanted to see.

Good thinking.

me too

yes please give us video!

 

[ajk23az]

plus he was pretty much bobbling that the WHOLE time...i was surprised parcells didnt challenge that but it was really EARLY in the game...sure gave them the momentum right away tho

 

[RoboQB]

When it happened, I thought it was an incomplete pass. The announcers didn't even question it. Amazing. I thought we'd challenge. Not sure why we didn't. However, that fumble was not really a factor as it happened early and our defense was stopping Seattle.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I have not seen anyone mention the fact that it was not a fumble. Witten's second foot was not on the ground yet when the ball came loose.

I will post a video of it tomorrow.

You are spot on. I posted the same thing in another thread.

Now for the most part you want to to say YES it was a catch... BUT.. what I have seen this year is.... receivers catch the ball and even take one more step than Witten did or make a football move and then drop the ball... then the ref calls it INC pass.

So according to what I have seen this year by those standards IT WASNT A FUMBLE... the same could be argued for Glenn's fumble... he was falling and put the ball on the ground(had little control) and then did a "whoop" with the ball

 

[aikemirv]

I thought that according to NFL rules it should probably have been ruled incomplete, but I am kind of in the boat with Madden on these kind of rules.

It was a catch and a fumble.

The NFL is always trying to make it harder and harder to have a fumble and harder and harder for it to be complete.

 

[EndGame]

I was mumbling to myself about that one when it happened. He really never had possession of the ball. He dropped it while trying to secure it. By NFL rules, that's not a fumble.

 

[superpunk]

At the least, it should have been challenged.

Obviously the guys upstairs thought there was no chance of getting it overturned. I'd have liked to see them give it a shot, though. You never know what the ref will see.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

At the least, it should have been challenged.

Obviously the guys upstairs thought there was no chance of getting it overturned. I'd have liked to see them give it a shot, though. You never know what the ref will see.

I agree it wasn't a catch. But I wouldn't have challenged it either. The potential gain was not worth a challenge that early in the game. If the pass was incomplete, we would have to punt.. it was on 3rd down. In the play off game, I dont think you challenge any play in the first half, unless it effects points on the board. I think that might have been the thinking behind not challenging this call.

 

[superpunk]

I agree it wasn't a catch. But I wouldn't have challenged it either. The potential gain was not worth a challenge that early in the game. If the pass was incomplete, we would have to punt.. it was on 3rd down. In the play off game, I dont think you challenge any play in the first half, unless it effects points on the board. I think that might have been the thinking behind not challenging this call.

Plus, what was really the gain, if it was overturned? It would have still been 4th down, we'd have punted, and we're not that great at downing it, so chances are the challenge might have been gone and we'd have put them back 15 yards on their next drive after the punt.

 

[DBoys]

http://files.filefront.com/WittenFumbleavi/;6494105;;/fileinfo.html

 

[AbeBeta]

Clearly a catch and fumble.

Come on folks. Some of you need to move on here. Had we won, we'd be laughing at the Seahawks fans as they complained about the Williams INT.

 

[theogt]

http://files.filefront.com/WittenFumbleavi/;6494105;;/fileinfo.html

Wow, that's so not a catch. When watching it live, I was certain it was a catch, but after seeing the replay over and over now it was clearly not. As his 2nd foot is coming down the ball is moving. He never has control of the ball, much less control with both feet down and a football move.

 

[Doomsday]

I have not seen anyone mention the fact that it was not a fumble. Witten's second foot was not on the ground yet when the ball came loose.

I will post a video of it tomorrow.

Ive mentioned it a few times but felt like no one was biting. No way did he have possession and make a football move, which is suppose to be such an emphasis this year. Seattle didnt get any points off it, so it is kind of a moot point other then just one more example of bad officiating.

 

[superpunk]

Clearly a catch and fumble.

Come on folks. Some of you need to move on here. Had we won, we'd be laughing at the Seahawks fans as they complained about the Williams INT.

What was that about being black and white?

I don't think it was clearly anything, anymore than Williams INT was clearly an INT. So, if people want to look at it, and vent, what's the big deal?

 

[AbeBeta]

What was that about being black and white?

I was talking about player evaluations -- you can evaluate a single play as B or W but not an entire player's season that is made up of 1000s of actions.

Tell me, do you think that with a fumble call on the field that would have been overturned?

 

[theogt]

I was talking about player evaluations -- you can evaluate a single play as B or W but not an entire player's season that is made up of 1000s of actions.

Tell me, do you think that with a fumble call on the field that would have been overturned?

Do you think that he had control of the ball and both feet down and made a football move? Remember that he has to have control of the ball after having both feet touch the ground, and he has to make a football move after having control of the ball and having both feet touch the ground.

Can you honestly say that it's clear that all 3 things happened?

 

[superpunk]

I was talking about player evaluations -- you can evaluate a single play as B or W but not an entire player's season that is made up of 1000s of actions.

Tell me, do you think that with a fumble call on the field that would have been overturned?

No. But I certainly think it can be discussed, and I'm not gonna dump on this thread where people are actually looking at something we have actual evidence of - instead of pushing out more Roy to LB threads.

 

[MRTRIPOD]

THE glenn fumble was not a catch.

He never had control.

Never took a step.

Never made a football move.

The ball hit the ground as he was falling!