Working theory - trying to make sense of what little we do know (Schotty + Moore)

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that KM interview didnt even take up the entire 3 hrs

Been flat out amazing to me how much buzz this has gotten.

Folks... we all knew this. Beat writers told us when the interview started, and later, when it ended. I think it was 2 hours (?).

And it's not difficult to understand why an interview with someone who you'd employed either as a player or a coach for almost 10 years doesn't require the time that others might. Or is it? It shouldn't be.

The one other thing we were told by some credible reporter was that a big chunk of the conversation was focused on who KM would seek to have on staff.

Which also would seem to align with the working theory that began this thread. Educated guess is that KM wouldn't look to bring Nussmeier with him because it's believed he'd have a shot at replacing KM in that role in PHI. Educated guess is that Joneses were intrigued by the thought that KM and Schotty could work together... though I remain 51% inclined to think Joneses would have asked KM about that specifically because Jimmy had expressed to Jerry he thought that was worth pursuing. Jimmy clearly was impassioned in his on-camera essay. I think it began with him.

 

[gimmesix]

No, I think Moore politely declined and they moved to the next cheapest option.

Notice that no one was talking about Schotty until this moment from Jimmy, which happened following Moore's short interview after which we heard nothing positive at all.

I think they had Moore as option 1, and moved to Schotty as option 2 when that didn't materialize.

I don't think there's any world Schotty and Moore are on same staff. Both want to call plays.

I don't think Moore told them no. I think he told them what he wanted and they said we'll get back to you and immediately moved on.

 

[_sturt_]

If KM was out, Schotty would already be hired. I believe that. That's the best explanation for why, 48+ hours since they started talking to Schotty, Jane's contact isn't able to tell her anything is imminent. I could have egg on my face before I get to bed tonight, of course... no one really knows obviously... but the working theory remains the most rational explanation for where we are at 8 pm CST on Thursday night.

 

[FanofJerry]

Been flat out amazing to me how much buzz this has gotten.

Folks... we all knew this. Beat writers told us when the interview started, and later, when it ended. I think it was 2 hours (?).

And it's not difficult to understand why an interview with someone who you'd employed either as a player or a coach for almost 10 years doesn't require the time that others might. Or is it? It shouldn't be.

The one other thing we were told by some credible reporter was that a big chunk of the conversation was focused on who KM would seek to have on staff.

Which also would seem to align with the working theory that began this thread. Educated guess is that KM wouldn't look to bring Nussmeier with him because it's believed he'd have a shot at replacing KM in that role in PHI. Educated guess is that Joneses were intrigued by the thought that KM and Schotty could work together... though I remain 51% inclined to think Joneses would have asked KM about that specifically because Jimmy had expressed to Jerry he thought that was worth pursuing. Jimmy clearly was impassioned in his on-camera essay. I think it began with him.

willing to reword or elaborate.

half of this is registering with me, and its probably a me issue, not you...

I dont understand the last large paragraph and how it ties into to circumventing the "cant talk to" rules.

i guess im not intelligent enough.

i will say, that i dont think Jerry is stupid and capable to come up with a circumvention like this, despite what this board says and the illusion it is trying to create.

also, as has been pointed out, Jimmy seems to have started all this, so he must be in Jerry's ear...that means Jimmy is to blame for all this just as much as Jerry. And Jimmy is this boards HERO.

so...the story isnt adding up somewhere. either Jerry AND Jimmy take blame for all this...or there is a grand plan in place and Jimmy has his hands in it.

at this point...this boards HERO has his hands in the cookie jar to some degree...and that means all the PRO-JIMMY guys have to accept blame if this all crumbles.

facts.

I got off track with the Jimmy stuff...bottom line is I dont understand the last paragraph of your post. I apologize

 

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i will say, that i dont think Jerry is stupid and capable to come up with a circumvention like this

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but I think that you're referring to the last paragraph of the OP since you point at this (?).

I've been on the road today, and catching up on other things... haven't read post for post in this thread yet, and actually, it's not going to raise to the level of priority tonight.

Still, forgive me that I'm cloudy on what I can say to clarify... my inclination is that you want me to address the accusation that the league would get upset about this ("circumvention"). My further inclination is that it's probably true that, if Schotty is mediating a contract discussion, that's circumvention... that's none of Schotty's business, and I would agree that's taking it too far. But Schotty is allowed to talk with his old colleague about football, and about things that could impact Schotty's own future. That's innocent. That's appropriate. Ahead of any contract-specific conversation and because KM has already been established as a legitimate DC candidate, it's reasonable... no different, if you think about it, from KM and Jason Witten having conversations about how they might work together in Dallas in 2025.

 

[FanofJerry]

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but I think that you're referring to the last paragraph of the OP since you point at this (?).

I've been on the road today, and catching up on other things... haven't read post for post in this thread yet, and actually, it's not going to raise to the level of priority tonight.

Still, forgive me that I'm cloudy on what I can say to clarify... my inclination is that you want me to address the accusation that the league would get upset about this ("circumvention"). My further inclination is that it's probably true that, if Schotty is mediating a contract discussion, that's circumvention... that's none of Schotty's business, and I would agree that's taking it too far. But Schotty is allowed to talk with his old colleague about football, and about things that could impact Schotty's own future. That's innocent. That's appropriate. Ahead of any contract-specific conversation and because KM has already been established as a legitimate DC candidate, it's reasonable... no different, if you think about it, from KM and Jason Witten having conversations about how they might work together in Dallas in 2025.

I dont see how we got off base. If it was my Jimmy rant...sorry.

I dont care about the circumvention stuff...so Im lost there.

I just didnt understand your last paragraph and still dont. Its a me thing a guess. Maybe there is code there that I am not putting together...I dont know.

Anyway...nothing against you.

I guess you are implying that it was all a grand circumvention tactic, and that it is showing planning and savviness(which this board refuses to give credit to Jerry for).

Assuming all this is real, why would Kellen take a OC job unless he just wants to do that? Is there any confirmation out there that he doesnt care about being a HC...even for good money? Seems like Kellen is HC material unless Jerry pays him HC money for being an OC. The guy is knowledgeable about football and is an amazing speaker at press conferences. Maybe he doesnt have the motivational angle that HC's needs, and he knows that?

Hopefully there is a plan in place

 

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why would Kellen take a OC job unless he just wants to do that?

Maybe that's where there's a disconnect (?)... from my pov, it's the other way around... so, the theory goes that Schotty is talking with the Joneses about what a Kellen HC / Shotty OC staff would look like, and more precisely the details of what they would run and how they would use personnel coming back in different ways from McC, and how it would be the same... ie, based on conversations Schotty and Kellen have been having otherwise.

If we assume that that much is accurate, then today what's going on behind closed doors is some calls with some of those that would be targeted to have on staff.

 

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Maybe he doesnt have the motivational angle that HC's needs

It's been kinda stunning for me to hear this get put forward by some podcaster(s), and 30 seconds later, the same guys talking up what's been going on in Minny with their new-ish HC.... hehe

 

[FanofJerry]

It's been kinda stunning for me to hear this get put forward by some podcaster(s), and 30 seconds later, the same guys talking up what's been going on in Minny with their new-ish HC.... hehe

doesnt register. again...maybe its a me thing.

im not trying to deflect.

if you want to reword...go for it...i dont know how to respond

 

[_sturt_]

doesnt register. again...maybe its a me thing.

im not trying to deflect.

if you want to reword...go for it...i dont know how to respond

Not necessary to respond... just making the observation that there's a bit of screaming hypocrisy to hear the same people be critical of Kellen because he's not charismatic enough... yet... and I did hear this earlier today, but I'm forgetting who to pin it on, or I would... within a few minutes of pushing that conclusion, they're applauding Kevin O'Connell as some kind of exceptional hire... I mean, personality-wise the two are nearly clones.

 

[FanofJerry]

Maybe that's where there's a disconnect (?)... from my pov, it's the other way around... so, the theory goes that Schotty is talking with the Joneses about what a Kellen HC / Shotty OC staff would look like, and more precisely the details of what they would run and how they would use personnel coming back in different ways from McC, and how it would be the same... ie, based on conversations Schotty and Kellen have been having otherwise.

If we assume that that much is accurate, then today what's going on behind closed doors is some calls with some of those that would be targeted to have on staff.

this is getting into the same sheet i got myself into with the NBA and the Mavericks...

all the sudden NOTHING MAKE SENSE and is all a puzzle for no apparent reason...

i ditched the NBA because if was trying to get me to connect all these false dots to make my head spin...every tweet about a trade was a lie and misdirection and I was supposed to figure out some grand scheme that was really just the world zigging when I zag based on my thoughts...it was all fake info

i dont care if this is fake anymore. making things unreasonably confusing is whack shock therapy to me.

i see the pattern, its the same thing...everything gets broken down into a bunch of purposeful confusion that shouldnt be there.

you want me to try and connect a bunch of dots and make a bunch of jumps...only to fool me. its lame

its like those people that laugh at conspiracy theorist, when they know it is a conspiracy...its lame.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Just spitballin. Re-watch Jimmy's monologue that launched this whole new drama.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/fmc-6bq5eq3lo1lo26ei

Notice he not only introduces us all to this whole new prospect of Schottenheimer being part of the new administration. He also keeps fuel to the flame for Kellen Moore.

Could it be that Schottenheimer is actually playing a role to allow some expedited hiring of Kellen Moore as soon as he becomes available? Could it be that this whole thing is a workaround, that the Joneses aren't allowed to have contact with KM at the moment, but that's them. Moore's former colleague is still here, and he's able to play middle man so that information can be exchanged technically legally where the league is concerned. Joneses can't talk directly with Moore, but Schottenheimer can.

That's where I am. There is no other way really I can imagine to explain the second full day of discussion w/ Schottenheimer.

I am a firm believer in Occums Razor, what appears to be incompetence is actually just that, incompetence…….no master plan going on behind the scenes.

 

[FanofJerry]

I am a firm believer in Occums Razor, what appears to be incompetence is actually just that, incompetence…….no master plan going on behind the scenes.

why should existence be game planned...to the point of hurting others with weak excuses...

why does something need to be planned so well when sabotage is at the corner?

you cant answer...youre lame non-intelligent life form beating down on others you think arent at your level for weak excuses like "im making you better"

your story caved like the cowboys.

occums razor is trash im tire of hearing about a stupid concept that is taking advantage of a lie

 

[Beast_from_East]

occums razor is trash im tire of hearing about a stupid concept that is taking advantage of a lie

Occam’s Razor is not a concept, it’s a principle of logical deduction named after the 14th century philosopher William of Ockham and simply states that when confronted with two possible hypotheses, the one requiring the fewest assumptions is preferred and almost always correct.

That is what $100,000 worth of tuition at UT gets you, non-intelligent life form my arse!!!

 

[exciter]

Just spitballin. Re-watch Jimmy's monologue that launched this whole new drama.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/fmc-6bq5eq3lo1lo26ei

Notice he not only introduces us all to this whole new prospect of Schottenheimer being part of the new administration. He also keeps fuel to the flame for Kellen Moore.

Could it be that Schottenheimer is actually playing a role to allow some expedited hiring of Kellen Moore as soon as he becomes available? Could it be that this whole thing is a workaround, that the Joneses aren't allowed to have contact with KM at the moment, but that's them. Moore's former colleague is still here, and he's able to play middle man so that information can be exchanged technically legally where the league is concerned. Joneses can't talk directly with Moore, but Schottenheimer can.

That's where I am. There is no other way really I can imagine to explain the second full day of discussion w/ Schottenheimer.

Schottenheimer was an offensive consultant for one season which is basically a desk job looking at practice squad players and in season free agents that might fit your scheme amongst other things while Moore was still here. Did they have any contact much less enough to be colleagues?