Would we be able to pull off this trade?

[blindzebra]

Ellis wants out.

Denver has two firsts and loves to get our former DL.

Would we be willing to package Ellis and our 2nd rd pick #49 for pick #29 and their 4th pick #125.

#29 = 675

#125 = 48

#49 = 420

That puts Ellis' value equal to a late 2nd early 3rd round pick.

With a draft deep in OT and LB, that increases our chances of getting both early, plus we recoup the 4th we don't have.

p.s. edit.

Throw in our resent history with 2nd round players getting hurt, and I like it even more.

 

[Clove]

Ellis wants out.

Denver has two firsts and loves to get our former DL.

Would we be willing to package Ellis and our 2nd rd pick #49 for pick #29 and their 4th pick #125.

#29 = 675

#125 = 48

#49 = 420

That puts Ellis' value equal to a late 2nd early 3rd round pick.

With a draft deep in OT and LB, that increases our chances of getting both early, plus we recoup the 4th we don't have.

You're a smart person I like your thinking. Even if you have to throw in next years 4 to sweeten the deal, or better yet...Next years 2 and 4 plus Ellis for their 29th and 4th round picks.

 

[Juke99]

If you could swap out that 2nd for a 3rd, I'd be much happier.

 

[Kalyan]

If we can pull it off, I would be happy. I doubt if Denver will go for it, on the outside it looks like Denver is gettin Ellis for their first round pick, which it is not doing like you explained

 

[superpunk]

How much better is the player we would get at 29? Would he be better than Ellis, and the second rounder we would have selected? Remember, Denver is deep at DE, had success with the ones they already have. Likewise, we are under no pressure to rid ourselves of Ellis, since it really doesn't save that much room. I don't know that that trade makes much sense for either team.

 

[Clove]

If we can pull it off, I would be happy. I doubt if Denver will go for it, on the outside it looks like Denver is gettin Ellis for their first round pick, which it is not doing like you explained

They would be getting Ellis and a 2. Not just Ellis.

 

[Eskimo]

I like the deal overall and think it would make sense for both teams.

Denver ran a bit of a gimmick defense this year that minimized the weakness of their DL but they don't have anyone that is as accomplished as a pass rusher as Ellis. He could help shore up that area of their team.

As for Dallas, the team will definitely be weaker without Ellis but him and BP appear to be butting heads. If we can get something of value for him, we probably should. I wouldn't expect anything better than a 3rd rounder for him given his age and the situation in Big D.

 

[blindzebra]

How much better is the player we would get at 29? Would he be better than Ellis, and the second rounder we would have selected? Remember, Denver is deep at DE, had success with the ones they already have. Likewise, we are under no pressure to rid ourselves of Ellis, since it really doesn't save that much room. I don't know that that trade makes much sense for either team.

Would the player at #49 be better than the players at #29 and #125, when we release Ellis?

 

[Clove]

Teams that are 1 game from a SB would not really rely on a rookie at this point. So teams that are really close would be more inclined to make a deal for a Vet. IMO
I wonder how much BP and company would be willing to give up to get 2 premier defenders in this draft like Watson and Lawson/Carpenter.....

Would they Mortgage next year to gather up talent this year and make a run at it? Who knows what's in their minds at this point.

 

[Rush 2112]

Would the player at #49 be better than the players at #29 and #125, when we release Ellis?

Why would we release Ellis over a 500k roster bonus.

 

[Juke99]

Sooooo....let's take this a step further..

Oh and btw, BZ, reasonable trade...usually fans make trade offers like, "I'll give you these 11 guys we dont want for your star player" OY.

Anyway, if this trade happened...would you consider taking both ones and trading them to a team with a top ten pick if a player was available that you really thought highly of?

 

[Clove]

Sooooo....let's take this a step further..

Oh and btw, BZ, reasonable trade...usually fans make trade offers like, "I'll give you these 11 guys we dont want for your star player" OY.

Anyway, if this trade happened...would you consider taking both ones and trading them to a team with a top ten pick if a player was available that you really thought highly of?

I would do it for Hawk in less than 1 second..I would take Hawk, and in the 2nd (because Iwouldnt' trade this years 2nd) I would take Lawson or Carpenter if they are still there, and if not, I would take de/olb Wimbley or de/olb Wincey. I can focus on offense in FA.

 

[Juke99]

I would do it for Hawk in less than 1 second..I would take Hawk, and in the 2nd (because Iwouldnt' trade this years 2nd) I would take Lawson or Carpenter if they are still there, and if not, I would take de/olb Wimbley or de/olb Wincey. I can focus on offense in FA.

Ditto...

I have a hunch that we're gonna load up on defense again in the draft....

 

[superpunk]

Would the player at #49 be better than the players at #29 and #125, when we release Ellis?

It is definitely not a given that we release Ellis. If we don't get a good offer for him, he stays. I believe the number we would save by releasing him is about a million and a half. No way they are deadset on releasing him for sucha small number.

 

[Eskimo]

It is definitely not a given that we release Ellis. If we don't get a good offer for him, he stays. I believe the number we would save by releasing him is about a million and a half. No way they are deadset on releasing him for sucha small number.

The savings are actually slightly less than $1M for this year if we release Ellis.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Jerry Jones says Ellis is staying, is it written in stone that he eventually does? nope, but that just means he has a better chance of staying on than being cut

and the Broncos would never go for this trade, they acquired 2 1sts to do something with them in the draft, either take 2 great prospects, or trade up

so in otherwords...it's a nice, little dream

 

[Clove]

Jerry Jones says Ellis is staying, is it written in stone that he eventually does? nope, but that just means he has a better chance of staying on than being cut

and the Broncos would never go for this trade, they acquired 2 1sts to do something with them in the draft, either take 2 great prospects, or trade up

so in otherwords...it's a nice, little dream

They can trade up to 18.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

They can trade up to 18.

wait, holdup...

*running footsteps* *summer starts re-doing his mock*

 

[joseephuss]

How much better is the player we would get at 29? Would he be better than Ellis, and the second rounder we would have selected? Remember, Denver is deep at DE, had success with the ones they already have. Likewise, we are under no pressure to rid ourselves of Ellis, since it really doesn't save that much room. I don't know that that trade makes much sense for either team.

If whomever they pick becomes a starter, then that will make them better than Ellis. I don't believe Ellis will be a starter next season. Spears and Canty will start at ends. I hope Ellis stays, but if they can make a trade for either a pick or player that comes to Dallas and starts, that may not be too bad.

 

[Verdict]

Ellis wants out.

Denver has two firsts and loves to get our former DL.

Would we be willing to package Ellis and our 2nd rd pick #49 for pick #29 and their 4th pick #125.

#29 = 675

#125 = 48

#49 = 420

That puts Ellis' value equal to a late 2nd early 3rd round pick.

With a draft deep in OT and LB, that increases our chances of getting both early, plus we recoup the 4th we don't have.

p.s. edit.

Throw in our resent history with 2nd round players getting hurt, and I like it even more.

I'm not sure they LOVE our defensive linemen, but they do have some and it might make sense from a chemistry standpoint.

Here are a couple of statements that I see as fact:

1. Ellis is a known commodity.
2. Ellis' contract is cap friendly for his skill level.
3. Ellis' contract is of a decent duration (not too long, not too short).
4. Ellis is not OLD.
5. Ellis has been consistent.
6. Dallas does not NEED to get rid of him.
7. Ellis' presence in Dallas. If he stays he gives us good depth.
8. Due to Ellis' value I do NOT see him being cut. He will either be traded or be a Cowboy next year.

I would not have a problem with the trade, if it was made, but I wouldn't necessarily do cartwheels. I don't see it as a real steal for the Cowboys. In reality, the Cowboys might be better off just getting the Broncos second rounder outright plus the fourth rounder. I would guess that all of this would be contingent on what the Broncos cap situation is and how all of this factors in.

What could also bear on this issue is whether the new collective bargaining agreement is in place or it becomes an uncapped year. I would think that the value of a draft pick might fluctuate depending on how much money a team might have to sign free agents. If I understand things correctly, a player has to stay 6 years to become a free agent if it becomes uncapped, so that might actually prop up the value of a draft pick.

There are a lot of variables that come into play here.