Would You Be Hesitant to Work Under Teflon Red?

[Miller]

Think about it, everyone around this guy gets canned and he comes out squeaky clean. Wade, Ryan, etc....all gone while JG is the the Judas whispering in Jerry's ear. The guy is a weasel. People like to talk about how the one constant the last 16 years has been the GM...Jerry. True. But the one constant ignored the last 6 years has been JG. He is just as much a part of the losing culture as anyone...if not more..and yet he comes out clean in all of these messes. I don't get it. This isn't a case where we have an offense doing its job and the D letting them down. This is a case of a team wide failure that hasn't been fixed. If I were someone coming in to coach, I'd definitely have this in the back of my mind.....how long before I get thrown under the bus?

 

[Kangaroo]

Think about it, everyone around this guy gets canned and he comes out squeaky clean. Wade, Ryan, etc....all gone while JG is the the Judas whispering in Jerry's ear. The guy is a weasel. People like to talk about how the one constant the last 16 years has been the GM...Jerry. True. But the one constant ignored the last 6 years has been JG. He is just as much a part of the losing culture as anyone...if not more..and yet he comes out clean in all of these messes. I don't get it. This isn't a case where we have an offense doing its job and the D letting them down. This is a case of a team wide failure that hasn't been fixed. If I were someone coming in to coach, I'd definitely have this in the back of my mind.....how long before I get thrown under the bus?

Really that is all you can come up with and why would anyone work for rex Ryan he has rum two coordinators on offense out of town because his starting QB is a joke and he will have no problem filling that spot.

This happens every year in the NFL hell look at Reid the last two years and setting his coaches up to fail and them firing them mid season yet he will have no problem filling out his KC coaching rosters.

I swear you people look for anything to bash the guy you do not like. Every NFL assistant coach and coordinator knows the gig in the NFL.

 

[Miller]

Really that is all you can come up with and why would anyone work for rex Ryan he has rum two coordinators on offense out of town because his starting QB is a joke and he will have no problem filling that spot.

This happens every year in the NFL hell look at Reid the last two years and setting his coaches up to fail and them firing them mid season yet he will have no problem filling out his KC coaching rosters.

I swear you people look for anything to bash the guy you do not like. Every NFL assistant coach and coordinator knows the gig in the NFL.

Really, "we people" will come up with anything?It has nothing to do with "liking" a person. It has to do with production and accountability.

How about the offense not improving over 6 years?

How about going backwards in penalties...30th now?

How about having half your games begin by coming out unprepared and out coached and having to make 4th quarter comebacks to even make it competitive?

I wasn't a fan of Ryan but as Gregg Rosenthal said last night...Garrett was outcoached by Ryan for 2 years and Ryan is the one gone. If accountability was anything they both would be gone. Garrett wasn't even the HC with Wade there and got a hall pass.

And I agree on Rex...why isn't he accountable...and I would be hesitant with who they have in place.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Think about it, everyone around this guy gets canned and he comes out squeaky clean. Wade, Ryan, etc....all gone while JG is the the Judas whispering in Jerry's ear. The guy is a weasel. People like to talk about how the one constant the last 16 years has been the GM...Jerry. True. But the one constant ignored the last 6 years has been JG. He is just as much a part of the losing culture as anyone...if not more..and yet he comes out clean in all of these messes. I don't get it. This isn't a case where we have an offense doing its job and the D letting them down. This is a case of a team wide failure that hasn't been fixed. If I were someone coming in to coach, I'd definitely have this in the back of my mind.....how long before I get thrown under the bus?

You are right. Jason is a large part of the losing culture at VR. He should be fired.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

You are right. Jason is a large part of the losing culture at VR. He should be fired.

What losing culture? What's the record of the team since Garrett arrived?

 

[Everlastingxxx]

I wouldn’t want to work for someone who will throw you under the bus to save their own ***. Not only that but the next DC might be only working with a one year contract now that Garrett is on the hot seat (but who knows with this idiot owner and dysfunctional franchise).

 

[Doomsday101]

HC will get more benefit of the doubt fact is Garrett just finished his 2 full season as HC so he has not been running the team for the last 6 year that is non sense OC is not the same as a HC no matter how you spin it. HC duties come with a lot more responsibility than OC or DC.

I do think Garrett goes into this next season on the hot seat this team will either get over the hump or I think he is gone. Having coordinators and assistance coaches fired after a disappointing season is not that uncommon.

As for the question would you be hesitant to work for Garrett? I guess we will find out as Dallas goes on a mission of finding a DC

 

[Miller]

HC will get more benefit of the doubt fact is Garrett just finished his 2 full season as HC so he has not been running the team for the last 6 year that is non sense OC is not the same as a HC no matter how you spin it. HC duties come with a lot more responsibility than OC or DC.

I do think Garrett goes into this next season on the hot seat this team will either get over the hump or I think he is gone. Having coordinators and assistance coaches fired after a disappointing season is not that uncommon.

As for the question would you be hesitant to work for Garrett? I guess we will find out as Dallas goes on a mission of finding a DC

Thanks for the complete answer. I didn't mean that OC was the same as HC...just that he has kept his job for 6 years as the bombs are going off all around him. I just find it interesting that offense hasn't been addressed when over the years it has had most of the focus...not producing until late in games, being Romo friendly, etc, etc. As much as people like to throw around the phrases "hater", "realist", etc, I am glad Romo is still here with the situations we have. I just wish they would deal with JG and his issues also.

 

[Beast_from_East]

HC will get more benefit of the doubt fact is Garrett just finished his 2 full season as HC so he has not been running the team for the last 6 year that is non sense OC is not the same as a HC no matter how you spin it. HC duties come with a lot more responsibility than OC or DC.

I do think Garrett goes into this next season on the hot seat this team will either get over the hump or I think he is gone. Having coordinators and assistance coaches fired after a disappointing season is not that uncommon.

As for the question would you be hesitant to work for Garrett? I guess we will find out as Dallas goes on a mission of finding a DC

I agree that Garrett is on the hot seat next year, you can only blame your assistants once.

If the team is .500 or worse next season, nobody left for Garrett to throw under the bus, it is all on him at that point.

As to the OP, yea it is not fair that Ryan gets the boot while Red gets a pass, but it is what it is. Garrett knows at this point if he doesnt make the playoffs next year, he will be the guy getting the pink slip.

 

[Shinywalrus]

I'm not sure I agree. There's this idea that just being present for bad periods infects you with responsibility, and that makes no sense. You have to parse it and assign responsibilty logically. Garrett's offense was not the reason why we didn't achieve success in the Wade era. But there is a point in here that hasn't been made enough.

When Rob was hired, I seem to recall being told that Garrett was in on the decision, that Jerry was giving him enough power to shape the team and make it his. We are also told that one of Garrett's skills is the building of a culture and an organization. Even the best leader will make mistakes, but logic tells us one of these must be true: (1) Jason doesn't have the power we thought he had to shape this team, (2) Jason participated in a bad hiring decision or (3) Jason participated in a bad firing decision.

None of those is a good thing. I think it's more evidence that the persona we've created for Jason is a false one, but on balance I think I'd still give him another year as HC to let the process work.

 

[Doomsday101]

Thanks for the complete answer. I didn't mean that OC was the same as HC...just that he has kept his job for 6 years as the bombs are going off all around him. I just find it interesting that offense hasn't been addressed when over the years it has had most of the focus...not producing until late in games, being Romo friendly, etc, etc. As much as people like to throw around the phrases "hater", "realist", etc, I am glad Romo is still here with the situations we have. I just wish they would deal with JG and his issues also.

We don't know that they won't deal with the offense. You’re making an assumption right now. Will the pressure coming on Garrett cause him to hand over the play calling? I don't know maybe it will

As for offense not producing late in games? Which games were you watching, we produced late in games after falling behind early in most games. The offense still showed a lot of big play ability however the lack of consistency I think goes back to the OL and yes that is part of Garrett responsibility as the HC to address it and they did not produce.

I don't think there is a lack or accountability I think Jones like many will give a HC the time to do the job, if you’re not willing to do that then don't bother hiring a HC. I firmly believe that 2013 season is a do or die year for Garrett and this team either advances to post season and deep in post season or else he will likely get fired.

 

[basstapp]

You people act like Rob Ryan was running a top 5 defense and was canned. We under-performed on defense all last year. We had limited turnovers and couldn't stop the run when it mattered. You can blame injuries all day long, but we are not the only ones with injuries.

For example,

The falcons lost Brent Grimes in the start of the year, William Moore has been hurt, Asante Samuel is playing half broken, The LB signing got hurt in preseason workouts, Christopher Owens one of their back up CB is hurt, Duanta Robinson has been hurt and not to mention players like abraham, white, julio etc playing hurt. Mike Nolan hasn't had the trouble keeping them top ten in points, yards and pass yards.

Bring in a real DC and see what we can muster. Multiple times we ran into a game with our head in the sand and got toasted. People earlier were complaining about that and now they want it to be Garrett's fault.

yawn

 

[Gaede]

Of course I'd be hesitant to work for Teflon Red (great name btw).

There seems to be plenty of scapegoats despite changing coaches and personnel around him. And he is the constant, well, besides Jerry of course.

 

[Doomsday101]

Thanks, for proving my point. There is no reason to get personal with posters.

As for JG. He is a public figure, in the spotlight and a lot worse has been said than calling him Teflon..like things don't stick...and Judas..like he throws people under the bus. Neither is too over the top. I find them to be relevant. If it offends your sensibilities, then please refrain from commenting. I know nothing about you and you know nothing about me so please stop. Post count doesn't make a better poster.

assistant coaches are so called thrown under the bus every single year, what was he suppose to fire himself? give me a break. :laugh2:

Look around the league coaches are fired every single year it comes with the territory and Garrett is also subject to being fired doubtfully this year but the clock is ticking because regardless of what is said around here I have no doubt Jones would fire Garrett like any other HC if they fail to produce. Garrett will enter his 3rd full season as HC and if he does not produce he likely will be gone until then you damn right he is going to make changes

Funny thing if no changes were made you would complain about that as well.

 

[Miller]

did i say it did?

no.

then again, making up names for the coaches doesn't make you clever. it just means you're pushing an agenda.

There is no agenda. I am not a "realist" and I'm not a "hater" or whatever labels get thrown around on a message board. I like Romo, I don't like Red. It's not like I'm trying to burn down the team. My issue with Garrett is that everyone else around him takes the fall while his offense and his failures as both OC and HC get ignored. If an OC gets hired, there are no excuses. But from my eyes, watching games, I thought Ryan outcoached JG last year. I also think Ryan wasn't the best fit but he did what he could considering that the offense didn't produce for 3 quarters every game.

I'm also not going to hate on Jerry completely. I acknowledge his good moves and attributes and his bad. I personally think this team..franchise..is stuck in a rut that keeps trying to harken back to the 90s and is not addressing the big issues. I think Red is part of that culture that is holding us back. There are plenty of smart, good men who aren't great HC and some don't have the experience to be great OCs yet. I think Garrett can be the later but not the former. No agenda, just opinion from what I've seen. After seeing SBs starting in the 70s and being loyal through now, I have a hard time watching the same replay season after season...it goes back that old Insanity quote.

 

[hmcorp]

Im not an NFL coach. I dont know.

 

[Miller]

assistant coaches are so called thrown under the bus every single year, what was he suppose to fire himself? give me a break. :laugh2:

Look around the league coaches are fired every single year it comes with the territory and Garrett is also subject to being fired doubtfully this year but the clock is ticking because regardless of what is said around here I have no doubt Jones would fire Garrett like any other HC if they fail to produce. Garrett will enter his 3rd full season as HC and if he does not produce he likely will be gone until then you damn right he is going to make changes

Funny thing if no changes were made you would complain about that as well.

Wrong, my point isn't to complain. If you've read any of my posts over the months, you'd know that. My point is to look at the team objectively and to express what I think needs to change. JG is one thing that I think holds us back..more than Jerry as GM and a lot more than Romo, whom I like and respect. I mean this place isn't some Communist board where we are stuck only talking in praise. The point is to have opinion and debate. I prefer to have an opinion that is agrees with some things and disagrees with others instead of towing the line of far on one side or the other.

 

[Zordon]

houston, i was thinking the same thing yesterday. why would any good coaches want to come work under JG if they are going to be held accountable for HIS mistakes? i'm telling you man, the culture is rotten in this franchise.

 

[Doomsday101]

Wrong, my point isn't to complain. If you've read any of my posts over the months, you'd know that. My point is to look at the team objectively and to express what I think needs to change. JG is one thing that I think holds us back..more than Jerry as GM and a lot more than Romo, whom I like and respect.

and he will be held accoutable as well. It may not be your time frame but to me the big mistakes is firing HC too quickly. Hell Houston fans hollered for Kubiak head using the same knocks you guys to with Garrett and now Oh Kubiak is a great HC.

Kubiak went into last season on the hot seat and he so called threw coaches under the bus and now well everyone loves him and he knew what he was doing.

Bottom line Garrett will either produce or he will be gone, if I had my rather I would rather see him produce and get this team over the hump instead of starting all over once again. But don't kid yourself thinking Garrett is untouchable

 

[Miller]

houston, i was thinking the same thing yesterday. why would any good coaches want to come work under JG if they are going to be held accountable for HIS mistakes? i'm telling you man, the culture is rotten in this franchise.

Right!I have seen in this thread the mention how he was an OC, not a HC before...even more damning to me. Why would an OC..an unsuccessful one at the time..have more sway over anyone else. Yes Wade lost the team and yes a change needed to be made, but wasn't JG part of that team and culture too. The situation reeks, to me, of the hall monitor that is always in the teachers ears but who is also stirring up just as much trouble. Of course JG won't fire himself as OC but if Jerry is hoping this firing shows accountability, then where is the accountability on the offensive side of the ball. If it isn't Romo..which I don't believe it is...who is it? More than the RB coach.