Would you go back & take Cole?

[Doomsdayblitz]

Given that he has 6 sacks in the same amount of games, and 19 in less than 2 1/2 seasons, would you still have made that trade for Canty? Just to refresh your minds, in the 2005 draft, Chris Canty, a possible 1st rd. candidate had fallen all the way to the bottom of the 4th rd. The Cowboys finally pulled the trigger by trading their 5th & future considerations to the Eagles for the 132nd pick in the 4th rd., where they took Canty.

Since then, Canty has shown to be a solid run stopper, but has only 1 sack this season, and 4.5 for his career.

By taking Cole with their 5th rd. pick, the Cowboys would have had the perfect compliment to DWare. He's 6-3, 270, with strength & quickness to get to the QB, and still cover. Also, had we already had Cole, we stay in the top of the 2nd rd. this year, and take a well-needed quality CB like Eric Wright, or Marcus McCauley. Don't get me wrong, I really like Anthony Spencer, and believe he will become a very good pass rusher. It's just that, it would be nice to be further ahead in our progression as a team.

Another instance is Marcus McNeil. Instead of knowing that we have a Pro-Bowl quality OLT waiting to take over for Flozell, or even could have taken over, and we could have traded Adams last year, we have a second string TE who sees limited action. Jason Witten will be our star TE for at least the next 7-8 yrs. barring injury, we know Adams is out the door next season.

It's the little mistakes in the personnel department that keep us from already being in the same level as a NE, Indi, or Pittsburg. Those teams are great year after year. We need not only to be smarter in order to get there, but to stay smart about things so we can stay there.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

Pretty easy to take jabs at the FO when you have the luxury of waiting to see how the players actually ended up.

I don't understand why so many people on this site are so quick to label players as a bust, or complain about our drafting. Just because one player is good on a team does not translate to being a good fit on another team. Each team has different needs when drafting, and they attempt to draft the best player to fit within their needs.

Sometimes people act like the Patriots or the Colts never draft players that don't make their team. I think our drafts have been pretty decent the past few years. But I guess since our guys aren't setting single season rookie records they are busts.

I am not trying to bust your chops Cogan, I just used your thread to vent my frustration some.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

:bang2:

 

[CF74]

Instead of getting mad at the poster, have some preset templates that you can copy and paste for the same questions. Educate your average Joe fan and before long we will be bored with something else

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Given that he has 6 sacks in the same amount of games, and 19 in less than 2 1/2 seasons, would you still have made that trade for Canty? Just to refresh your minds, in the 2005 draft, Chris Canty, a possible 1st rd. candidate had fallen all the way to the bottom of the 4th rd. The Cowboys finally pulled the trigger by trading their 5th & future considerations to the Eagles for the 132nd pick in the 4th rd., where they took Canty.

Since then, Canty has shown to be a solid run stopper, but has only 1 sack this season, and 4.5 for his career.

By taking Cole with their 5th rd. pick, the Cowboys would have had the perfect compliment to DWare. He's 6-3, 270, with strength & quickness to get to the QB, and still cover. Also, had we already had Cole, we stay in the top of the 2nd rd. this year, and take a well-needed quality CB like Eric Wright, or Marcus McCauley. Don't get me wrong, I really like Anthony Spencer, and believe he will become a very good pass rusher. It's just that, it would be nice to be further ahead in our progression as a team.

Another instance is Marcus McNeil. Instead of knowing that we have a Pro-Bowl quality OLT waiting to take over for Flozell, or even could have taken over, and we could have traded Adams last year, we have a second string TE who sees limited action. Jason Witten will be our star TE for at least the next 7-8 yrs. barring injury, we know Adams is out the door next season.

It's the little mistakes in the personnel department that keep us from already being in the same level as a NE, Indi, or Pittsburg. Those teams are great year after year. We need not only to be smarter in order to get there, but to stay smart about things so we can stay there.

You better take cover if you are question the Anthony Fasano pick....I am still amazed their are "intelligent" football fans that defend this pick

 

[superpunk]

Pete Hunter.

 

[RomoFan4ever]

Given that he has 6 sacks in the same amount of games, and 19 in less than 2 1/2 seasons, would you still have made that trade for Canty? Just to refresh your minds, in the 2005 draft, Chris Canty, a possible 1st rd. candidate had fallen all the way to the bottom of the 4th rd. The Cowboys finally pulled the trigger by trading their 5th & future considerations to the Eagles for the 132nd pick in the 4th rd., where they took Canty.

Since then, Canty has shown to be a solid run stopper, but has only 1 sack this season, and 4.5 for his career.

By taking Cole with their 5th rd. pick, the Cowboys would have had the perfect compliment to DWare. He's 6-3, 270, with strength & quickness to get to the QB, and still cover. Also, had we already had Cole, we stay in the top of the 2nd rd. this year, and take a well-needed quality CB like Eric Wright, or Marcus McCauley. Don't get me wrong, I really like Anthony Spencer, and believe he will become a very good pass rusher. It's just that, it would be nice to be further ahead in our progression as a team.

Another instance is Marcus McNeil. Instead of knowing that we have a Pro-Bowl quality OLT waiting to take over for Flozell, or even could have taken over, and we could have traded Adams last year, we have a second string TE who sees limited action. Jason Witten will be our star TE for at least the next 7-8 yrs. barring injury, we know Adams is out the door next season.

It's the little mistakes in the personnel department that keep us from already being in the same level as a NE, Indi, or Pittsburg. Those teams are great year after year. We need not only to be smarter in order to get there, but to stay smart about things so we can stay there.

Actually-Cole is a bit undersized for a 3-4 nonetheless. Perfect fit for Philly, but not so much for our's.

Next question.

 

[theebs]

I bet the Commanders would

Trent cole...> James Thrash.

 

[AdamJT13]

What would we do with Cole in a 3-4 defense? He's 6-2 1/4 and weighed 236 pounds coming out of college. Even if he's a legit 270 pounds now (which is doubtful), he's still far to small to play defensive end in a 3-4.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Ole hindsight

 

[RomoFan4ever]

Ole hindsight

Yah-I remember when everyone was SCREAMING at Parcells for passing over Winston Justice.

Hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............I wonder how that turned out.

 

[peplaw06]

McNeil wasn't available when we took Fasano.

 

[munkee]

Let's see. I would go back and take Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Terrel Davis, LT, Tom Brady, Randy Moss, and the miriad of other players the Cowboys have passed on over the years. To answer this question, yes in hindsight the Cowboys should have taken all the players that turned out good or great that didn't end up wearing a Cowboy's Star on their helmet.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I need to find Doc Brown and his flux capacitor or maybe sherman and peabody with their wayback machine.

Oh I would go back and change all kind of draft picks.

I would only pick pro-bowlers, All Pros, future HOFers and we would be the best team every year because we would have so much talent.

But...we don't have a flux capacitor, we don't have a way back machine and we just don't have anything that can tell us which players will be great players or bad players. We have nothing that can tell us which players may exceed in one scheme but be bad in another.

Guess that is why they call the NFL Draft a gamble. Guess that is why we have some 1st round picks that never pan out while in the same draft we have 7th rounders or undrafted guys that turn out to be all pros.

If it were only so easy to use the wayback machine. We could make sherman and peabody call us Captain 20/20 and we could be the best scouting service in the history of the NFL...heck history of professional sports.

This post is not to rag on posters who bring this type of thing up, just hopefully it will make them realize that the draft is a gamble and if it were so easy we would not have a great deal of 1st rounders in the NFL that never pan out and also have a good number of second day draft picks that have very productive NFL Careers.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Let's see. I would go back and take Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Terrel Davis, LT, Tom Brady, Randy Moss, and the miriad of other players the Cowboys have passed on over the years. To answer this question, yes in hindsight the Cowboys should have taken all the players that turned out good or great that didn't end up wearing a Cowboy's Star on their helmet.

We never had a shot at LT but I agree on the others.

 

[CalCBFan]

I think Cogan is just pointing out that some teams such as NE have remarkable player evaluation skills. BP tried to lure his son-in-law, Bill Pioli, from NE when he came but the guy said "no thanks". He is their cheif talent evaluator along with Belicheat.

And Jerry Jones takes all the credit for having the "final say" on personnel decisions; he has said this in PCs over and over again. So, whereas I don't think BP has a very good track record picking talent, we can never say for sure who is doing the picking. And the most frightening part is Jones admitted, as late as 10/12/07, that he is "more of a dreamer" and he's the kind of a guy that tends to think "1 plus 1 can equal 3"! This may explain why a defense w/ 7 (or is it 8?) 1st rnd picks can't stop a good team.

I must say, however, I like the Fasano pick, and I think most of us will if Witten ever gets hurt...

 

[JPM]

I'd go back and take Tom Brady in the 5th round.

 

[peplaw06]

I think Cogan is just pointing out that some teams such as NE have remarkable player evaluation skills. BP tried to lure his son-in-law, Bill Pioli, from NE when he came but the guy said "no thanks". He is their cheif talent evaluator along with Belicheat.

And Jerry Jones takes all the credit for having the "final say" on personnel decisions; he has said this in PCs over and over again. So, whereas I don't think BP has a very good track record picking talent, we can never say for sure who is doing the picking. And the most frightening part is Jones admitted, as late as 10/12/07, that he is "more of a dreamer" and he's the kind of a guy that tends to think "1 plus 1 can equal 3"! This may explain why a defense w/ 7 (or is it 8?) 1st rnd picks can't stop a good team.

I must say, however, I like the Fasano pick, and I think most of us will if Witten ever gets hurt...

I think this is one of the biggest urban legends out there in the league.

Most people think that Pats have unbelievable drafts simply because they can point to one guy who they took in the 6th round who turned out to be one of the best QBs of all time.

Here are some of the picks they've hit on in early rounds in the past 10 years...

Laurence Maroney
Logan Mankins
Ellis Hobbs
Nick Kaczur
Vince Wilfork
Ben Watson
Ty Warren
Eugene Wilson
Asante Samuel
Deion Branch
Richard Seymour
Matt Light
Robert Edwards

But they've also had their share of busts...

1997 - CB - Chris Canty (1st round)
1998 - After Robert Edwards, they took S - Tebucky Jones who had a pretty short uneventful career at #22, 2nd rounders, Tony Simmons WR, and TE Rod Rutledge
1999 - The infamous Andy Katzenmoyer was taken at #28. Kevin Faulk, a career 3rd down back was taken in the second round.
2000 - their first pick was in the second round, where they took T Adrian Klemm, no longer in the league. Also taken on the first day was 3rd rounder JR Redmond. This is the year they took Brady. They had 9 other picks, and none of them are still on the team.
2001 - Brock Williams CB from Notre Dame in the 3rd round.
2002 - Daniel Graham was their first rounder (#21). He's decent, but he's no longer with the team and not exactly what I would expect out of a first rounder.
2003 - took Bethel Johnson in the 2nd round. They "hit" on Tully Banta-Cain in the 7th of this draft. Also taken this draft was Kliff Kingsbury.
2004 - was a pretty good draft with Watson and Wilfork in the 1st round. Also took Marquise Hill in the 2nd. You may remember Hill as the guy who drowned in Lake Ponchartrain from a jetski crash. It may sound harsh, but in 3 seasons he played 13 games and registered 3 tackles.
2005 - was a good draft. Got 3 starters in 3 first day picks.
2006 - WR Chad Jackson has done nest to nothing yet. 13 catches for 3 TDs. He tore his ACL, and is currently on PUP, but anyone think he's going to break that WR rotation in the near future? David Thomas was taken in the 3rd and is a decent backup, but hasn't done much.
2007 - too early to tell either way. no current starters, but Brandon Merriweather was the only 1st day pick.

They've made 2 pretty good "steal" picks, and have a good nucleus from early picks, but this thinking that they never make mistakes, or somehow hit on more guys than other teams is ridiculous IMO. They miss just as much.

They've made smart FA moves, and that has really been the difference.

 

[badleelee]

Cole does give us fits.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think Cogan is just pointing out that some teams such as NE have remarkable player evaluation skills. BP tried to lure his son-in-law, Bill Pioli, from NE when he came but the guy said "no thanks". He is their cheif talent evaluator along with Belicheat.

And Jerry Jones takes all the credit for having the "final say" on personnel decisions; he has said this in PCs over and over again. So, whereas I don't think BP has a very good track record picking talent, we can never say for sure who is doing the picking. And the most frightening part is Jones admitted, as late as 10/12/07, that he is "more of a dreamer" and he's the kind of a guy that tends to think "1 plus 1 can equal 3"! This may explain why a defense w/ 7 (or is it 8?) 1st rnd picks can't stop a good team.

I must say, however, I like the Fasano pick, and I think most of us will if Witten ever gets hurt...

we traded back into the 4th round to leap-frog the Pats...who were set to take Canty, we got him instead

you guys have to understand that the reason we took Canty was because we were short on quality DE prospects for the 3-4, and having potentially good ones was necessary, esp. in Bill's version of the 3-4 which is 2-gap, where the linemen take the brunt of the blockers to allow the LBs to make plays, plus stopping the run was the numero uno priority, which makes for linemen keeping the big blockers off the LBs even more imperative

I'd go back and take Tom Brady in the 5th round.

:laugh2:

must commend pep on great research, outstanding