Xavier Worthy breaks 40 time record, first reported by Hardline at CowboysZone

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cnuball21 said:
So instead of using official combine measurements we’re making up numbers from thin air?

You’re unwavering dedication to TX prospects even when you’re wrong is impressive…I’ll give you that.
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I literally posted the information straight from the source.
 
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If you run anything sub-4.5 then only your playstyle dictates whether or not you’re an NFL caliber deep threat. Guys like Desean, like Tyreek often have breakaway TDs where they’re 5-10 yards behind the coverage. If they ran a 4.4 that’s still an open touchdown. It’s their route running, their understanding of the coverage, their downfield experience, and their intuition/intangibles that make them great deep threats. The speed helps make them slightly better deep threats, but the difference between 4.3 and 4.4 isn’t multiple yards of separation, even in a long route.

Deandre Hopkins at 4.62 is a better deep receiver than 90% of the sub-4.5 guys. Jeremy Maclin at 4.4 was significantly better downfield than John Ross at 4.22. Devonta Smith ran a 4.54, Mecole Hardman a 4.33… but you’d think those were flipped based on how they perform.


The 40 is just to let you know which guys are so slow you consider dropping them off your board. A 4.21 vs a 4.35 will have 0 relevance in how their careers go. Theyre both fast, take the guy with the better tape.


TL;DR: Xavier did not suddenly become a better football player in the last 2 days, but some teams will treat him as such
 
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What was the reason for this low amount of TDs in college outside of his first year playing?
 

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Aerolithe_Lion said:
If you run anything sub-4.5 then only your playstyle dictates whether or not you’re an NFL caliber deep threat. Guys like Desean, like Tyreek often have breakaway TDs where they’re 5-10 yards behind the coverage. If they ran a 4.4 that’s still an open touchdown. It’s their route running, their understanding of the coverage, their downfield experience, and their intuition/intangibles that make them great deep threats. The speed helps make them slightly better deep threats, but the difference between 4.3 and 4.4 isn’t multiple yards of separation, even in a long route.

Deandre Hopkins at 4.62 is a better deep receiver than 90% of the sub-4.5 guys. Jeremy Maclin at 4.4 was significantly better downfield than John Ross at 4.22. Devonta Smith ran a 4.54, Mecole Hardman a 4.33… but you’d think those were flipped based on how they perform.


The 40 is just to let you know which guys are so slow you consider dropping them off your board. A 4.21 vs a 4.35 will have 0 relevance in how their careers go. Theyre both fast, take the guy with the better tape.


TL;DR: Xavier did not suddenly become a better football player in the last 2 days, but some teams will treat him as such
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Some fans have a really time understanding this.
 
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Aerolithe_Lion said:
If you run anything sub-4.5 then only your playstyle dictates whether or not you’re an NFL caliber deep threat. Guys like Desean, like Tyreek often have breakaway TDs where they’re 5-10 yards behind the coverage. If they ran a 4.4 that’s still an open touchdown. It’s their route running, their understanding of the coverage, their downfield experience, and their intuition/intangibles that make them great deep threats. The speed helps make them slightly better deep threats, but the difference between 4.3 and 4.4 isn’t multiple yards of separation, even in a long route.

Deandre Hopkins at 4.62 is a better deep receiver than 90% of the sub-4.5 guys. Jeremy Maclin at 4.4 was significantly better downfield than John Ross at 4.22. Devonta Smith ran a 4.54, Mecole Hardman a 4.33… but you’d think those were flipped based on how they perform.


The 40 is just to let you know which guys are so slow you consider dropping them off your board. A 4.21 vs a 4.35 will have 0 relevance in how their careers go. Theyre both fast, take the guy with the better tape.


TL;DR: Xavier did not suddenly become a better football player in the last 2 days, but some teams will treat him as such
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Agree with the overarching point but the benefit of pure speed is brute fact…especially over long distances. It’s a straightforward formula.

The difference between 4.4 vs. 4.5 is ~2.8 feet over 40 yards.

A 4.3 guy (vs. a 4.5) is 5.58 feet

A 4.21 guy is 8.1 feet

This is all substantiated by the simulcam the NFLN uses comparing players.

When you’re talking about a game of inches, that amount of distance is a huge difference. To your point though, if a guy can’t beat the press, or lacks ball skills and awareness, all that benefit is useless.
 
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CalPolyTechnique said:
Agree with the overarching point but the benefit of pure speed is brute fact…especially over long distances. It’s a straightforward formula.

The difference between 4.4 vs. 4.5 is ~2.8 feet over 40 yards.

A 4.3 guy (vs. a 4.5) is 5.58 feet

A 4.21 guy is 8.1 feet

This is all substantiated by the simulcam the NFLN uses comparing players.

When you’re talking about a game of inches, that amount of distance is a huge difference. To your point though, if a guy can’t beat the press, or lacks ball skills and awareness, all that benefit is useless.
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I’m not saying it has zero impact, I would rather a great receiver run a 4.3 than a 4.5, because every little bit helps. It’s just that Tyreek Hill ran a 4.29. Had he ran a 4.33, his career would have gone relatively the same. And no player in NFL history who ran faster than 4.29 has had their speed translate better than he has. If you run sub-4.5, you’re fast; there’s little more to take out of the combine than that. A guy who benched 8 reps vs 11, we’ll never see that strength difference directly translate. 8 reps vs 22 though? Okay, that’s gonna be enough to notice.
 
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for the record i like both
Texas WRs but i wouldn't draft them at 24,definitely trade down candidates.
 
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Just like in the NBA, with and without shoes. It's almost always a 2 inch difference. I trust the combine numbers since NFL teams are paying for the info. LeGette shrunk by over 2 inches.
 

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Hardline said:
I literally posted the information straight from the source.
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The best "source" here would be the official NFL combine page that lists the exact numbers for players from actual measurements.
 

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Hardline said:
There are conflicting sources . Most of them say 6'1.
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There are no conflicting sources. You are listing ESPN pages and websites that often just parrot inflated numbers. College rosters often overstate height and weight.

Worthy LITERALLY stepped on a scale last week and had someone LITERALLY measured him from bottom of the foot to the top of his head last week.

He was 5-11, 165.
 
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