You build the case against Dak

[DFWJC]

his biggest obstacle might be that he and the offense may have to score 30+ a game to win cause of this defense

True.
Welcome to Romo's world since about 2011

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Guess I better catch the NFL replay. I didn't recall any blitzes. Let me check it out. Do you remember if it was in the first half or second. Was it line backer, corner, or safety blitzes?

Not arguing that it didn't happen, but just wanted to know where to look for the blitzes. Thanks.

TO be honest, not sure....pretty sure in first and second quarter. Giving me a reason to rewatch.

 

[nobody]

You see, that's why I started this thread. No one can be negative about his potential, even for pie-in-the-sky statements. What if he actually is a prodigy? Time will tell, but for now he is the most exciting quarterback in the league, until proven otherwise.

It is a great time to be a Dallas Cowboy fan, I'm relishing the moment.

I think everyone sees his potential. What a lot of people want to see is how he handles adversity. When multiple things start to go wrong, how does he handle it? How fast can he make in-game adjustments to himself or his receivers? We haven't seen this in preseason yet, so it's all up in the air.

I'm excited to see how he develops.

 

[CouchCoach]

No need to build a case either way, he will build his own in 2 weeks.

He seems to have a level head on his shoulders, he will need that. There are some ignorant people in the local media and they may set him up for unreal expectations.

In his interview, he said all the right things but the most right thing he said was to depend on those around him. While some tend to separate the QB position from the team, he chose to connect it. He needs to lean on Bryant, Witten, his RBs and OL. In other words, be a game manager, not a superstar.

 

[Toro9]

I've heard he doesn't look very good in practice. That's about the only negative I have so far.

 

[Paniolo22]

They should really just let Romo be in the helmet with him instead of Linehan.

 

[GoJacks]

I had bacon today

Dang he has bacon named after him already

That's alot of bacon.

 

[CapnB]

I just have to see him when the lights come on for real. Not going to judge him one way or another until he's did some stuff

 

[CapnB]

That's alot of bacon.

For GP ? Nah, thats a snack. And really, thats a snack for most of us from the other side

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

1st qtr - 3rd and 5 from Sea 45. Put 7 on line, rushed 5. Pass towards Beasley, who seemed to be caught off guard, looked like catchable ball.

2nd qtr - 1st and 10 from Dal 41 9:02. 5 on line. We drop into play action basically have 7 guys attacking LOS, Dak scrambles and finds Butler.

2nd qtr - 3rd and 7 from Sea 39 6:45. 6 on the line. All 6 come.

2nd qtr - 2nd and 4 from Dall 44 2:00. 5 on line, all 5 come.

2nd qtr - 1st and 10 from Sea 44 1:52. 7 in box, bring 5

2nd qtr - 1st and 10 from Sea 39. :42 4 on line, two LB blitz for 6 total

2nd qtr - 1st and 20 from Sea 37 :23 7 in box. 5 rush

So that was it for first half. On a lot of downs they were bring 8 into the box and the offense was still able to run on them. Their D line seemed to get discouraged pretty early against the run. In addition there were some twists and stunts...in the two minute drill in the first....on the first play Frank Clark came free and was right in Dak's face yet he was able to throw a laser to Butler. Remember for a lot of these there was no Dez, no Witten, no Smith and no Elliott and still against Seatt;e's first string D.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Second half

3rd and 7 from Dal 28 12:06. 7 in the box, bring corner and drop LB

3rd and 9 from Dallas 30 6:56. 6 in box, drop two into zone and bring corner

That is pretty much it. Some kind of blitz on 9 of 23 passing plays. Not just rushing 4 every time. Some stunts and twists when just 4 coming. Not completely vanilla.

 

[plasticman]

1. Defenses are going to do those things that rattle rookie QB's the most. They will disguise coverages and blitzes. Although Dak is a quick learner doesnt mean he wont have to learn. For a rookie starter that means learning why you dont do what you just did.

2. The other. Issue is self confidence. If Dak comes out making mistakes and does not look good his first few games then everything he did in the preseason will lose relevance. The Cowboys risk destroying their awesome potential with a better trained and more knowledgable Dak.

3. Statistically, rookie QB's do terrible when depended on to start the first half of their rookie season. Even so, the majority of them were top 5 picks with emphasis on having him ready to start the season.

Rookie quarterbacks since 2000 that started the first 4 games of their rookie season completed 56% of their passes and threw 33% more INT's than TD's.

Of the 32 rookie quarterbacks in this category, only 7 had a passer rating above 80 in their first 4 games. Of those 7, they were ALL #1 picks. Five were in the top 5 of the draft, three were #1 overall.

When you combine the results of all 32 rookies during their first 4 games, they won 32.5% of their games.

Russel Wilson went 2-2 with a quarterback rating of 73.5.

4. The case against Dak isn't limited to his performance alone. During the rare times in which a team can win with a rookie QB it typically involves an elite defense stepping up. We are speaking of the Cowboy defense.....during the first four games of the season. Two days ago we were discussing a dominant offense covering for a defense still rebuilding. and weakened by suspensions.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Second half

3rd and 7 from Dal 28 12:06. 7 in the box, bring corner and drop LB

3rd and 9 from Dallas 30 6:56. 6 in box, drop two into zone and bring corner

That is pretty much it. Some kind of blitz on 9 of 23 passing plays. Not just rushing 4 every time. Some stunts and twists when just 4 coming. Not completely vanilla.

Thanks!

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

1. Defenses are going to do those things that rattle rookie QB's the most. They will disguise coverages and blitzes. Although Dak is a quick learner doesnt mean he wont have to learn. For a rookie starter that means learning why you dont do what you just did.

2. The other. Issue is self confidence. If Dak comes out making mistakes and does not look good his first few games then everything he did in the preseason will lose relevance. The Cowboys risk destroying their awesome potential with a better trained and more knowledgable Dak.

3. Statistically, rookie QB's do terrible when depended on to start the first half of their rookie season. Even so, the majority of them were top 5 picks with emphasis on having him ready to start the season.

Rookie quarterbacks since 2000 that started the first 4 games of their rookie season completed 56% of their passes and threw 33% more INT's than TD's.

Of the 32 rookie quarterbacks in this category, only 7 had a passer rating above 80 in their first 4 games. Of those 7, they were ALL #1 picks. Five were in the top 5 of the draft, three were #1 overall.

When you combine the results of all 32 rookies during their first 4 games, they won 32.5% of their games.

Russel Wilson went 2-2 with a quarterback rating of 73.5.

4. The case against Dak isn't limited to his performance alone. During the rare times in which a team can win with a rookie QB it typically involves an elite defense stepping up. We are speaking of the Cowboy defense.....during the first four games of the season. Two days ago we were discussing a dominant offense covering for a defense still rebuilding. and weakened by suspensions.

There is no doubt that Dak will have to learn....and a lot. Everything is going to get amped up like crazy.

A couple things. I would like to know how many of these rookie QBs were coming into a team with an OL like ours that had weapons like Dez, Zeke and the safety blanket of a Witten. Most rookies are coming into a crappy team and a lot of times a new coach.

I don't think Dak's confidence will be broken. He seems like a guy with very high morale. Dallas really doesn't have a choice other than to put him in and have him learn on the job. You don't count on your top two QB's going out in preseason with long term injury.

True enough about the defense. I don't think it is bleak as some do. Seattle really didn't do much against our first string D, which was still without several starters and key reserves. The only blitzes we have brought have been telegraphed and basic. Mainly a corner. I am pretty concerned with our LB's though...they have not looked good outside of Lee.

 

[kiheikiwi]

1. Defenses are going to do those things that rattle rookie QB's the most. They will disguise coverages and blitzes. Although Dak is a quick learner doesnt mean he wont have to learn. For a rookie starter that means learning why you dont do what you just did.

2. The other. Issue is self confidence. If Dak comes out making mistakes and does not look good his first few games then everything he did in the preseason will lose relevance. The Cowboys risk destroying their awesome potential with a better trained and more knowledgable Dak.

3. Statistically, rookie QB's do terrible when depended on to start the first half of their rookie season. Even so, the majority of them were top 5 picks with emphasis on having him ready to start the season.

Rookie quarterbacks since 2000 that started the first 4 games of their rookie season completed 56% of their passes and threw 33% more INT's than TD's.

Of the 32 rookie quarterbacks in this category, only 7 had a passer rating above 80 in their first 4 games. Of those 7, they were ALL #1 picks. Five were in the top 5 of the draft, three were #1 overall.

When you combine the results of all 32 rookies during their first 4 games, they won 32.5% of their games.

Russel Wilson went 2-2 with a quarterback rating of 73.5.

4. The case against Dak isn't limited to his performance alone. During the rare times in which a team can win with a rookie QB it typically involves an elite defense stepping up. We are speaking of the Cowboy defense.....during the first four games of the season. Two days ago we were discussing a dominant offense covering for a defense still rebuilding. and weakened by suspensions.

I hope people will read this and understand the dificulty he is going to face.
Great read man, and i know im beating this to death today, but for a bottom of the 4th round pick - not a top 5 pick. This is putting an aweful lot on the kid. Damm shame he cant sit and learn ...

 

[CowboyChris]

in all fairness, Dak hasn't looked like a rookie whatsoever during these 3 preseason games...so who knows, he played in a tough conference in college, and just seems to have the poise and the smarts to lead this team, i think everyone is making too much about him being a rookie. we will soon find out.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I want to see him against intricate defenses, disguised blitzes, zine blitzes, and other forms of defensive trickery.

Don't we all. However, we all need to tap the breaks a little give Dak some room to and learn our offense and make some mistakes here and there. People tend to forget that his a rookie and just because he lit it up in preseason doesn't mean his a seasoned vet. You all will get a chance to see Dak and see if he can handle a pro-style defense.

As for building a case against him....well I think thats silly. I'm thankful for the football gods that our FO did their homework and pulled the trigger on Dak in the 4th round. So far he has surpassed everyone's expectations and I don't see any reason why we need to build a case against him.

 

[Tabascocat]

I would love for Dak to take the reigns and never relinquish them, just like Ben did to Maddox. It might best for our team to start a new era. If that happens, it means we found our next franchise QB.

When Romo is healed and looks to be our best option, put him in. I love Romo but if Dak makes this team better, leave him be and don't put in Tony just because.

We will know soon enough

 

[plasticman]

There is no doubt that Dak will have to learn....and a lot. Everything is going to get amped up like crazy.

A couple things. I would like to know how many of these rookie QBs were coming into a team with an OL like ours that had weapons like Dez, Zeke and the safety blanket of a Witten. Most rookies are coming into a crappy team and a lot of times a new coach.

I don't think Dak's confidence will be broken. He seems like a guy with very high morale. Dallas really doesn't have a choice other than to put him in and have him learn on the job. You don't count on your top two QB's going out in preseason with long term injury.

True enough about the defense. I don't think it is bleak as some do. Seattle really didn't do much against our first string D, which was still without several starters and key reserves. The only blitzes we have brought have been telegraphed and basic. Mainly a corner. I am pretty concerned with our LB's though...they have not looked good outside of Lee.

Very good points but here is the deal:

The Cowboy offense will have tor outscore an opponent offense going against the Cowboy defense in the fist 4 games of the season

Typically, you start a rookie quarterback at the beginning of a season by design which is why the vast majority of them are high picks in the 1st round.
Most of the time, the team is rebuilding and the quarterback, no matter how talented is expected to struggle. But again, that is by design, you have invested a draft choice you hope will not be as high again for a long time

Some teams really are that good that they can compensate. The names of those QB's are Roethlesburger, Flaco, and Ryan. I would even put Sanches in there for the Jets. These teams had attributes that could take [ressure ogf their rookie QB. I don't know about specific personnel but teams like the Steelers and Ravens, perhaps the Jets, Bentals, and Falcons were pretty good.

Having said all that......

The challenge by the OP was to build a case against....he didn't say anything about this being the position that you ae taking. I can buiold a much stronger case for Dak starting.

1. The overall age of this offensive group. This is a ver young offense . Tony Romo was never going to be this team's primary quarterback over the length of tgheir careers. Dak should be. Let them grow together now. Let them build that realtionship now. Allow Dak to begin the process to where he earns the opportunity to become the team leader. If the team can begin to rally to him now then he will have that experience and respect going into 2017

2. As been referred, this offensive line can protect, the running game can take a lot of pressure off. Hopefully Dak wont be required to throw 25 passes in the 4th quarter in attempt to come from behind.

3. This gives the team a genuine opportunity to see what they have. Suppose Romo didn't get hurt but this was his last season. Going into 2017, you don't really know what ou have in Dak for reagular season play. The Cowbosy may need to return to the plan of trading for a QB by moving up in the draft.

 

[bodi]

The Cowbosy may need to return to the plan of trading for a QB by moving up in the draft. MOVING UP ? WE will be picking at 4 or higher IMO

I Think Dak get shell shocked - bring the house on passing downs shell shocked

so I say we pick up another QB

Might as well then we should set at QB