You know -for all the things we've done I'm still shocked

[X-Dawg]

we're gonna go with those two stiffs at Center. Are we for real? Both those guys are brutal - flatout brutal.
Did we not watch the films of teams blowing up the middle at Drew and planting him hard? over and over?
You can add 3 TO's and a young Emmitt Smith, it will NOT matter if the Line can't hold the flood back.
I'm very concerned about this area; the main area.

 

[felix360]

finally someone speaks on this, I really cant see how BP is not doing something about this Position, i remember all those dropped snaps and all those lineman coming and sacking our QB cuz the center can't block.
this needs to fixed. all our other signings dont mean squat if we cant block.

 

[Jay]

All I hope is that the weight that Johnson is putting on helps him and we see an improvement.

 

[Murph80]

I wouldn't want to pay Bentley and Mawae what they got. Very overpaid. Faine is seeking a trade but at 293lbs forget it. There is not much out there right now. Be patient something will come up before the start of the season. Also with TO teams will not blitz us like they did last year.

 

[AdamJT13]

For the record, Parcells said Bledsoe was to blame for the fumbles. And Al Johnson allowed a whopping 1.25 sacks last season. (LeCharles Bentley allowed 2.75.)

Here's a challenge -- identify every sack allowed by our centers last season. If it happened over and over, you should have quite a list.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

we're gonna go with those two stiffs at Center. Are we for real? Both those guys are brutal - flatout brutal.
Did we not watch the films of teams blowing up the middle at Drew and planting him hard? over and over?
You can add 3 TO's and a young Emmitt Smith, it will NOT matter if the Line can't hold the flood back.
I'm very concerned about this area; the main area.

If we could find a way to draft Nick Mangold then the Oline wouldbe drastically improved but I'm not sure Bill would start a rookie.

 

[Displaced Cowboy]

I was really hoping they'd have shown some interest in hartwig but for whatever reason it wasn't there.

I'm very worried about the OL.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

For the record, Parcells said Bledsoe was to blame for the fumbles. And Al Johnson allowed a whopping 1.25 sacks last season. (LeCharles Bentley allowed 2.75.)

Here's a challenge -- identify every sack allowed by our centers last season. If it happened over and over, you should have quite a list.

How bout the times where Al was forced into the backfield on running plays? That was Clay Shiver-"esk" and worries me greatly.

 

[TheEnigma]

we're gonna go with those two stiffs at Center. Are we for real? Both those guys are brutal - flatout brutal.
Did we not watch the films of teams blowing up the middle at Drew and planting him hard? over and over?
You can add 3 TO's and a young Emmitt Smith, it will NOT matter if the Line can't hold the flood back.
I'm very concerned about this area; the main area.

The problem with Al Johnson last year was not pass protection, in fact, as Adam already showed, he is good in pass protection. The problem was his strength in the running game, and I'm willing to give him another offseason to gain some strength.

 

[AdamJT13]

How bout the times where Al was forced into the backfield on running plays? That was Clay Shiver-"esk" and worries me greatly.

Sure, make that list, too.

 

[X-Dawg]

For the record, Parcells said Bledsoe was to blame for the fumbles. And Al Johnson allowed a whopping 1.25 sacks last season. (LeCharles Bentley allowed 2.75.)

Here's a challenge -- identify every sack allowed by our centers last season. If it happened over and over, you should have quite a list.

Ummm Do you watch the games or just do CAP charges?

Did you miss the leapfrog of Gurode in the Meltdown at the Meadolands? or am I just making that up - or do you have a stat to combat me on that?

You are aware that the Center calls the line coverage? the Blitz pickup? Do you feel confident in either of these two stiffs to do that when Drew was sacked 50 times?

 

[2much2soon]

Sure, make that list, too.

Can we count the times he got beat and LA, Rivera or Campbell/Witten kept his sack numbers down by covering for him?

 

[bobtheflob]

For the record, Parcells said Bledsoe was to blame for the fumbles. And Al Johnson allowed a whopping 1.25 sacks last season. (LeCharles Bentley allowed 2.75.)

Here's a challenge -- identify every sack allowed by our centers last season. If it happened over and over, you should have quite a list.

How often did the Cowboys pass compared to the Saints?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I agree.....extremely concerned with our offensive line......guess we are going to draft them all...

 

[Jaxonsdaddd]

The center position is the most important in the running game as it dictates the runningbacks first cut as long as its a between the tackle play.

I dont know what the "stats" say but I cant think of a single time when the center position got any push.

 

[jrumann59]

A lot of it was not the fact they were getting killed, much of it was a guy coming free. That leads me to believe it isn't a technique issue as much a line call issue.

 

[2much2soon]

And to be completely fair we should count QB pressures allowed by the Center position.
That may have been the actual outcome, instead of sacks, of many of the plays where Al Johnson was turned sideways and beaten.

 

[Juke99]

The entire offensive line is a point of concern.

Adams should be back to full strength but lets not forget, he had one very good season under Parcells..and the next, not so good. Last year, he looked good again.

Kosier, unknown.

The center waltz continues with Johnson and Gurode. I wish we'd just pick one guy and stick with him.

Rivera? Over the hill? Or a bad year because of the injury?

Fabini. Steady. Not great. The thing I like most about Fabini is that maybe he'll give Petitti a chance to develop at a normal pace.

So two positions are new...Everyone on the line will be playing with someone new next to them...and the O Line requires more chemistry than any other group of players.

*fingers crossed*

 

[AdamJT13]

Ummm Do you watch the games or just do CAP charges?

Do you ask intelligent questions or just dumb ones?

Did you miss the leapfrog of Gurode in the Meltdown at the Meadolands? or am I just making that up - or do you have a stat to combat me on that?

That wasn't a sack, it was a running play.

You are aware that the Center calls the line coverage? the Blitz pickup?

You are aware that the center can't block everyone? That the tackles and guards have to block their guys, too?

Do you feel confident in either of these two stiffs to do that when Drew was sacked 50 times?

I'm confident that Johnson can make the calls.

 

[ghst187]

For the record, Parcells said Bledsoe was to blame for the fumbles. And Al Johnson allowed a whopping 1.25 sacks last season. (LeCharles Bentley allowed 2.75.)

Here's a challenge -- identify every sack allowed by our centers last season. If it happened over and over, you should have quite a list.

I'm not buying it. Throw in Gurode's blunders into your stats because the original point of the thread was that our C position sucks, not just that AJ sucks. Wasn't it Gurode's blunder that cost us a TD in the second Giants game?
Was it Bledsoe's fault that AJ was tipping the DL off on the snap count for like 3 games in a row?
I don't think that sacks allowed is the only stat, we'd need to add up all the times JJ and MBIII got stuffed because the C missed, whiffed, or just didn't get his block. I think there are a LOT of these.
I overwhelmingly agree with the original post, we're taking a huge risk going into next season with the lumps of coal we have there now. They better be light years better than they were last year.
AJ wasn't strong enough to get his blocks, Gurode didn't know which guy to block, AJ was tipping off the DL to the snap count, Gurode fumbled snaps....not good. Color me concerned about the C position. In fact, I think its the position I'm most worried about going into next season. Also the reason I wanted to pay up for Bentley.