YR's My Meaningless Thoughts on the Lions Game...

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- One of the things I’m feeling positive about this team is that in the past I felt the organization had what my dad would call ‘C-Plussers.’ My dad referred to certain baseball players he coached as ‘C-Plussers’ as players who would do just enough to get by. He used the term because back in the day where I am from NY, the general rule was if you were an athlete playing a school sport…you had to carry at least a C+ average in every class or you couldn’t play (my, how times have changed).. Thus, you would get a lot of athletes that were smart enough to carry good grades in school, but would wind up with C+ averages…just enough to get by.

In baseball, my ole man wasn’t afraid to needle a player and challenge them and had no problems ‘getting on a player’ every single practice if he felt he had to. No, ‘C-Plussers’ didn’t last long on his teams.

I felt we had a lot of those players on this team over the years. Some players were really good, too. But, they had a propensity to do just enough to get the critics and the fans off their back. Then once we got off their back, it was the same ole stuff from them. The problem is that any team is bound to have C-Plussers on the team at one point or another. I think it’s up to the coach to figure out how to coach that mentality out of them and the ones they can’t coach it out of…tell them to hit the bricks.

Yes, we’ve seen some sloppy play. But, I see a team that plays with much more sense of urgency, intensity and doesn’t seem to be letting it go to their head.

Now, I’m now ready to say that this team is rid of the ‘C-Plussers’. And I probably cannot truthfully say that until 2012 at the earliest. But, I can’t but help get the feeling that we are pointed in the right direction as far as getting rid of that type of attitude from the team.


- People talk about the sloppy play, but re-watching the Skins game I basically saw two sloppy players…Costa and Ogletree. Let me say this, re-watching the game you can see a lot of downs where the Commanders players, particularly Bowen, were yelling out the cadence. So that’s why I’m more bothered by Ogletree who has been on the team for 3 years and still doesn’t get the playcalling right.


- There’s still a big step to be made here for this team. Last week was great in the sense that the defense showed up. In the past we would have big letdowns after good performances on the road. Now we need to sustain the level of play from the defense.


- But the other part is that Garrett needs to find a way to get these players to know the offense. I don’t necessarily put all of the blame on Garrett, but as the HC…come hell or high water…you need to get your players to know the system because nobody cares how many injuries you have had.


- I’ve always been conflicted on my feelings toward Belichick. I think he’s a very smart coach, but I also think he’s a mediocre person. I think NFLN doing ‘A Football Life’ with him is a travesty because he’s a guy that put a big ole dent into the integrity of the game and then, along with Robert Kraft and Scott Pioli, threatened to ruin the livelihood of the Matt Walsh…the one guy who told the truth. It’s a shame that people forget that.

But that being said, I see a lot of unique things that Belichick does that work quite well. One of them is that we always hear ‘he tried to take away the one thing you like to do.’ In other words, most coaches attack the opposing team’s weaknesses. Belichick, on defense, tries to attack the opposing offense’s strengths and force them into doing things they are not comfortable at doing.

I think Ryan employs that strategy as well…that and he attacks the QB like a mutha. I think in this game we’ll try and keep Megatron from going crazy on us. I also think we’ll try to keep Pettigrew and the tailbacks from catching passes under wraps. How we’ll do it and if we can do it, we can only guess.


- While I think people want Bruce Carter on the field, I don’t see him helping us much this season. And I think Bradie is playing better than we think…he’s just doing the grunt work to free up Sean Lee some more. However, Brooking is just done with. Too bad, because I still like the guy. While many didn’t like it, I did like the fact that he took umbrage with Favre and the Vikings running up the score instead of the team just taking it like a bunch of saps.


- The fact is that Felix Jones ran far better in the Commanders game with Fiammetta than he did in the first two games without Fiammetta. I think that and the fact he gives us another formidable personnel grouping to use means we should use him more often.


- I liked what I saw out of Laurent Robinson. He’s shown to me that he has the athleticism and burst to play, now it’s just a question if he can stay healthy and learn the playbook.


- Obviously, anytime you get a win it’s a real feather in the team’s cap. But, if we could come away with a win and no major injuries, now this team can really turn the corner. They would be 3-1 going into the bye week with the 1 loss being a game we should’ve won. Romo, Felix, Dez, Miles and Tyron would all be healthier. We would likely get Hatcher and have our top 3 corners all back into the fold. I also think with Fiametta, we can now be effective in 12, 11 and 21 personnel and anytime you can be effective out of more personnel groups, I think the better. So we have a real shot of not only going 3-1, but start to hit our stride (although the Patriots game will be tough).







YR
 
Costa is not playing half bad, other than the bad shot gun snaps.yes, we need to fix that, but for the most part, Nagy has been the weak link on the OL.

I think there were two reasons for the better running game. commitment to it and both bennett and fiammeta. bennett, despte the hate for not being finley, was key in couple of long runs felix broke to the outside. if it wasn't for a wishy, washy, questionable holding call, felix would have had another.

and in regards, to all the posters who continue to bring up finley and we could have this or that. lets not forget, we got lucky too. witten dropped to the 3rd round to us and we took him. Draft is not an exact science and you go by what your scouts tell you. btw, we weren't looking for another pass catching TE (despite what the fans wanted). We had that in fasano. we were looking for one that was a better blocker (which fasano wasn't). one that could play a little bit of H-back and catch a few.

this is the first 4-3 team we are facing this year. it will be interesting to see how we do. Nagy is going to need a lot of help and I bet we see fiammeta and phillips in the back field a lot, doubling up Suh. look for RBs to stay back and chip the DEs and help out the tackles. witten is going to have a huge game. he is a big mismtach for their LBs.

calvin johnson is going to have a good game. we probably will double and play himover the top to limit him and dare them to beat us with their other personnel. pressuring Stafford is key and he will see some more exotic blitzes this week.
 
I thought Bennett blocked really well for us. Not sure what Gruden was saying about the 'effort' on the hold. Those things happen. Hell, the entire Commanders O-Line effort must've been poor because they held Dallas all game long :)

However, his effort on pass receiving just isn't there. He looks a bit out of shape to me. I'm probably more upset that we had the wrong Gronkowski on the team.










YR
 
Great post, YR. And I agree with your assessment on Bennett to a point...I would submit that maybe he just isn't that good as a pass catcher?
 
casmith07;4148127 said:
Great post, YR. And I agree with your assessment on Bennett to a point...I would submit that maybe he just isn't that good as a pass catcher?

He certainly isn't on that fade route in the endzone. I cannot honestly remember him coming down with one of those over the years, certainly not when he has a defender on him.
 
I think I would like your Dad YR. I usually do when someone has a creative way of explaining people or things that I want to steal. An old cowboy I grew up around had one similar to your Dad's. He said "I don't understand a desire to be average, that means you're as close to the bottom as you are to the top."

Good write up.
 
Joe Rod;4148140 said:
He certainly isn't on that fade route in the endzone. I cannot honestly remember him coming down with one of those over the years, certainly not when he has a defender on him.

He doesn't attack the ball at a lower point and Romo refuses to put any air under it for some reason.
 
I think Jenkins would be classified as a "C-Plusser". It seems to me he doesn't like to work and only do enough to get by. The only time he seems to work hard is when his job is on the line.

btw, you named the thread meaningless thoughts on the Lions game, but you didn't say anything about the Lions game. :laugh2:
 
Sam I Am;4148163 said:
I think Jenkins would be classified as a "C-Plusser". It seems to me he doesn't like to work and only do enough to get by. The only time he seems to work hard is when his job is on the line.

btw, you named the thread meaningless thoughts on the Lions game, but you didn't say anything about the Lions game. :laugh2:
He had one:

I think in this game we’ll try and keep Megatron from going crazy on us. I also think we’ll try to keep Pettigrew and the tailbacks from catching passes under wraps. How we’ll do it and if we can do it, we can only guess.
 
CATCH17;4148149 said:
He doesn't attack the ball at a lower point and Romo refuses to put any air under it for some reason.

A perfect fade is missing from Romo's arsenal , that is a touch play , not a laser missile ,but Romo can do lasers but for some reason the perfect lobbed fade pass is not his cup of tea!

If anyone recalls last year during the preseason Bennett lined up as WR and Romo threw to him , the same thing , pass was defended, Matrellus was pointing to Romo to give some air to the ball.
 
CATCH17;4148149 said:
He doesn't attack the ball at a lower point and Romo refuses to put any air under it for some reason.

Romo has thrown it high a few times (too high). I just chalk it up to them not being able to get on the same page, so why continue to try it? If it has to be a jump ball, go with Dez, who will rip the defenders arm off to get the ball.
 
nalam;4148213 said:
A perfect fade is missing from Romo's arsenal , that is a touch play , not a laser missile ,but Romo can do lasers but for some reason the perfect lobbed fade pass is not his cup of tea!

If anyone recalls last year during the preseason Bennett lined up as WR and Romo threw to him , the same thing , pass was defended, Matrellus was pointing to Romo to give some air to the ball.

I'm not sure how people can say this, when he threw one to Dez in Week 1 that was perfect.

Romo probably figures that he doesn't need to throw it too high since Martellus is big enough to just box out at 5'10" cornerback, but for some reason was out there playing patty cake with the DB instead of running him off the line of scrimmage and turning to catch the football.
 
Hostile;4148147 said:
I think I would like your Dad YR. I usually do when someone has a creative way of explaining people or things that I want to steal. An old cowboy I grew up around had one similar to your Dad's. He said "I don't understand a desire to be average, that means you're as close to the bottom as you are to the top."

Good write up.

My dad was more like Parcells. He was coaching early teenage boys (and once in awhile a girl if she was extremely athletic). He still liked to needle the kids and always made it extra tough for me so he wouldn't show any nepotism. He got that from his father. My dad worked for a power company for 35 years, the same place my grandfather worked at. And my grandfather would check on him constantly to make sure he didn't take a coffee break or a lunch break for the first few years.

Anyway, I've had numerous guys tell me, as I got older, how much they appreciated my dad coaching them in baseball. My dad was an actual coach. He took in any kid that wanted to play and actually taught them basic things like how to throw, catch and hit the baseball. A lot of the kids he coached had never played baseball before then and either had absent fathers or fathers that worked a lot and never played catch.

So a lot of them were taught something so simple like throwing a baseball instead of throwing it 'like a girl.' And they went onto greatly appreciate the extra hours my dad (who worked 50 hours a week) would put in just to teach some kid he had no ties to, how to throw a baseball properly.







YR
 
Hostile;4148147 said:
I think I would like your Dad YR. I usually do when someone has a creative way of explaining people or things that I want to steal. An old cowboy I grew up around had one similar to your Dad's. He said "I don't understand a desire to be average, that means you're as close to the bottom as you are to the top."

Good write up.

Agreed, this is a great write up by Rich. Interesting enough, his dad reminds me of my ole man.

I also agree with the sentiment that C plussers or what I like to call coach killers, are not good for the foundation of any team that is trying to build a winner. Coach killers will show flashes of brilliance that never materialize to any sustained production, which will ultimately gets the coach fired as he hangs in there waiting for the probowler to appear.

Most who are in the know can easily see that this team is comprised of fighters. They take on adversity together and comes out on the other end, together.

Once we get healthy on offense we are going to be quite formidable. No easy wins here, none of that taking the team to the deep end and letting them drown themselves. Take this team to the deep end and they will come back with lobsters and crablegs, lol.

Sloppy play is to be expected, imo opinion and fixing does fall on the Head coach especially when that coach is the OC.

There are so many things that can go wrong on an offensive play call that the variables become staggering. You change good pieces for lesser pieces and it is a miracle that we can move the ball at all. Thank goodness for the miracle Romo.

Has any one ever seen a QB not panic in the face of a certain turnover via an errant shotgun snap?.

I can remember the first time that happened, I almost lost my mind but now it doesn't scare me, I am as calm as Romo because I know he won't lose it and he can make a play out of nothing. Romo is definitely not a C-plusser or Coach Killer!
 
Sam I Am;4148163 said:
I think Jenkins would be classified as a "C-Plusser". It seems to me he doesn't like to work and only do enough to get by. The only time he seems to work hard is when his job is on the line.

I think so as well, but like I said, my dad understood that these guys will exist on your team no matter what.

You just have to be able to identify them and disregard the ones that have no sense of urgency to get better.

The thing with Jenkins is that the USF coaches said to the effect 'good kid, good athlete, but you have to stay on him or he will slack. Stay on him and he'll be fine.'

Wade just didn't have it in him to keep on guys like Jenkins full time.

My hope is that Garrett can stay on guys like Jenkins and dump the guys who are more interested in the easy way than putting the work in. And then over time, cutting down the amount of C-Plussers that we draft or bring in FA.

It's way too early to proclaim that the days of C-Plussers rampant throughout the team are over...but I like the direction we are headed.






YR
 
Montrae Holland would need extra credit to become a C-Plusser. :laugh2:
 
Great post. To me there are 4 people in this world in terms of work ethic.

D = people who are as lazy as can be and don't understand what it takes to achieve your goal. They never achieved anything in their life because they didnt have the motivation.

C = people who do enough to get by as you said. They want to achieve great things but don't want to put in the necessary work. I also like to call them the see what you can get away with crowd. I admit I was a part of this group when I was in High School. They will push boundaries, they will wait till the last minute to do everything, and they just don't like to work hard, but they will do it eventually because they don't want to fail.

B = people who work 9-5 40 days a week and come in every day on time and never miss a day. They study enough to understand the class work, but don't spend the time to master it. They do what is asked of them, they understand you have to work hard to get things you want. Id say 75-80% of the human population falls into this group.

A = People who go above and beyond what is asked. They try to master everything they do, because they want to be the best and understand what it takes to get there. Instead of working 9-5 and 40 hours a week like the boss says, they stay late and ask what else can I do to help regularly. They come in early to get ahead of others to start the day. Highly motivated people.


Id say as a football team, you'd want at least 95% of the players to be a B or above. You'd also want at least 5-10 people to be those highly motivated A's. Preferably QB, Center, MLB and Safety.
 
casmith07;4148244 said:
I'm not sure how people can say this, when he threw one to Dez in Week 1 that was perfect.

Romo probably figures that he doesn't need to throw it too high since Martellus is big enough to just box out at 5'10" cornerback, but for some reason was out there playing patty cake with the DB instead of running him off the line of scrimmage and turning to catch the football.

Was just thinking that myself, it was perfect. But that's one of the things I love about Dez. On those type routes and others, he really opens up the window. He can make less than perfect throws look perfect.

Now Bennett and Ogletree give you the opposite effect.:cool:

But the throw to Bennett was poor.
 
casmith07;4148244 said:
I'm not sure how people can say this, when he threw one to Dez in Week 1 that was perfect.

Romo probably figures that he doesn't need to throw it too high since Martellus is big enough to just box out at 5'10" cornerback, but for some reason was out there playing patty cake with the DB instead of running him off the line of scrimmage and turning to catch the football.

Precisely. Seems that something is just missing in that combo. I would think that Romo simply expects Marty B to stop, box out the Defender and take the ball similar to how Dez does it. Regardless of the thought process, hopefully everyone agrees that it just isn't working and JG should go to other options in the End Zone.
 

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