Zeke without Pollard

[quickccc]

There's going to be games like that. There's some teams out there that have hellacious fronts that are going to kick our line's butt because no matter what PFF or anybody else says,
they aint that good. I mean they don't completely suck but they're not dominant and haven't been for a while

I do think the tight end blocking is more of a problem than gets talked about. A lot of our running plays seem to count on them to make a block.. and a lot of those plays fail cause they don't make it. I don't know how you fix that frankly other than to draft/sign a big body blocking tight end. The group we have now doesn't seem to have even a B level blocker among them. The good news is that QB and the passing game are pretty damn good aint they..

i actually think part of the success for a better run game is the improvement in the TE blocking, particularly the addition of Ferguson in the 2 and 3 TE sets.
I'm not always keen on Schutz's and Hendershot's blocking, as it seems more pesky than road grader, which I'm surprised Hendershot is not called for holding more.
But i really do the overall TE run blocking is better because we've experienced more plays off the edge as compared to last year's performance.

i have theorized that it could be three possibilities:
1) Steele was a much better run blocker than Lael Collins
2) addition of rookie TE Ferguson
3) Could the addition consultant Brian Schottenhemeir play a part in a better run game ?

i still think the current run game has it's flaws, such run design scheme which it still seems so simplistic and predictable...,
and why do we still have so many unblocked backside tackles for losses in the backfield ?
But compared to last year's oft ineffective run game, in 2022, it's been a world of improved difference.

 

[MyFairLady]

When you read your post again......does it really make sense, have any rational thought, or simply put......how would you describe your very own claim, beyond it being just your's? And I realize, you might not understand, but that's ok.

After holding out and getting paid is career YPC has dropped from 4.7 to 4.5 to 4.0 to 4.2 to 3.9. His yards per reception (YPR) has dropped from 7.4 to 7.8 to 6.5 to 6.1 to 5.4. Do you have any idea how bad a 5.4 YPR is? He averaged 5.1 YPC and 11.3 YPR as a rookie. He was incredible. He got paid. He has gotten worse and worse ever since. I don't know what else to say.

 

[Cmac]

After holding out and getting paid is career YPC has dropped from 4.7 to 4.5 to 4.0 to 4.2 to 3.9. His yards per reception (YPR) has dropped from 7.4 to 7.8 to 6.5 to 6.1 to 5.4. Do you have any idea how bad a 5.4 YPR is? He averaged 5.1 YPC and 11.3 YPR as a rookie. He was incredible. He got paid. He has gotten worse and worse ever since. I don't know what else to say.

Based on your theory of completely dismissing salary negotiation opportunities at a time when production is high, that most get in the NFL, and while high performance during rookie contracts is insignificant (i.e. Micah now)

....then your employer should never give you a raise again, including cost of living raise....you're taking longer lunches, leaving early, coming in late, unprepared for meetings, and you're just not productive as you were 5 years ago, and we have this young person we can pay less than you to get more. But can you mentor and train the young person while you're still here? Ok.

Did it get confusing?

 

[Cmac]

Indeed. It's all good. I sometimes get worked up myself, but I feel silly after. There is a very interesting human dynamic here. But it really is just...or should be...entertaining.

Don't ever get worked up.....always remember.......our posts or opinions are just like rear-ends (being clean).......we all got 'em.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Yes I agree. How DARE...fans of a team...be fanboys.

How ridiculous.
We should hate our players.

If you think fandom is binary (fanboys or haters), I see the real problem.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Not sure exactly what you are arguing about.

You seem to claim we fell behind because of Zeke. Now you are ranting ranting about...well all kinds of stuff.

Whatever. Rant away. There's no cure for what you have.

I'm not a Zeke hater. Ha ha ha

I just think Pollard is a much better player and should be used more and spend less time on the bench

It's not my fault this Coaching staff can't find ways to keep Pollard on the field. Lol

Zeke is just a progress stopper the way we're using him.

Less is More!!!

If you'd rather use Zeke and Pollard 50/50 splitting carries then that's your opinion

Do you see Christian McCaffrey splitting carries 50/50

How about Henry??

Just name me one Pro Bowl Running Back in NFL history that runs a single back system that shares snaps at a 50/50 rate???

Only Tony Pollard?? Hmm

 

[MyFairLady]

Based on your theory of completely dismissing salary negotiation opportunities at a time when production is high, that most get in the NFL, and while high performance during rookie contracts is insignificant (i.e. Micah now)

....then your employer should never give you a raise again, including cost of living raise....you're taking longer lunches, leaving early, coming in late, unprepared for meetings, and you're just not productive as you were 5 years ago, and we have this young person we can pay less than you to get more. But can you mentor and train the young person while you're still here? Ok.

Did it get confusing?

Hey man if you are an NFL team and you don't mind paying fat Zeke for something he did 5 years ago good for you. If own a business and you have no problems with your employees doing less and less every year for more money that is great. Personally I would like to see the Cowboys operate more like a serious football enterprise and if I owned a business I would expect my employees to remain profitable over the years.

 

[CowboysExchange]

i actually think part of the success for a better run game is the improvement in the TE blocking, particularly the addition of Ferguson in the 2 and 3 TE sets.
I'm not always keen on Schutz's and Hendershot's blocking, as it seems more pesky than road grader, which I'm surprised Hendershot is not called for holding more.
But i really do the overall TE run blocking is better because we've experienced more plays off the edge as compared to last year's performance.

i have theorized that it could be three possibilities:
1) Steele was a much better run blocker than Lael Collins
2) addition of rookie TE Ferguson
3) Could the addition consultant Brian Schottenhemeir play a part in a better run game ?

i still think the current run game has it's flaws, such run design scheme which it still seems so simplistic and predictable...,
and why do we still have so many unblocked backside tackles for losses in the backfield ?
But compared to last year's oft ineffective run game, in 2022, it's been a world of improved difference.

How about part of the biggest improvement comes from just having a pro bowl rb getting 50% of the load. A guy that can catch and run also.

The problem with all that dominant te ball is we need to be just as good passing the ball on all 3 downs

These tes are just mediocre blockers and mediocre receivers.

They work good against scrub teams and our division but not for playoff level football.

That's like proclaiming #82 as a playoff caliber te

But he wasn't. He was just a good regular season take what the defense gives ya te that couldn't produce at the playoff level.

Zeke is a mediocre regular season RB but he's not a playoff caliber RB for the style of football we play

We need to primarily be game planning around the best players not the guy making the most money

 

[Cmac]

Hey man if you are an NFL team and you don't mind paying fat Zeke for something he did 5 years ago good for you. If own a business and you have no problems with your employees doing less and less every year for more money that is great. Personally I would like to see the Cowboys operate more like a serious football enterprise and if I owned a business I would expect my employees to remain profitable over the years.

....in a way you might get it from your own post......if a player doesn't get what he feels is the "market value for his play at the table"....he might not ever get it......due to injury on any given play, wear & tear, or something worse. An NFL team can release a player any day (James Washington).....he is only leaving with guaranteed money or signing bonus (Salary Capologist correct me if I'm wrong on that). James Washington will not get a game check for the Commanders game.

So unless Jerry wants to depart ways with Zeke, as you do....there is a price to pay, in part to protect the player a bit, in this gladiator sport. For me, and perhaps you......the 9-5 can show the door today, and it's a done deal as far as viewing direct deposit like you'd want to. So to satisfy your disdain about Zeke.....all Jerry has to do is release him. So be patient. And that may be coming soon......or a restructure.

Now if you don't get it.......no problem. All good.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

“Buh, he’s just a scar back that doesn’t get thoze tuff yardz!!!!”

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I'm not a Zeke hater. Ha ha ha

I just think Pollard is a much better player and should be used more and spend less time on the bench

It's not my fault this Coaching staff can't find ways to keep Pollard on the field. Lol

Zeke is just a progress stopper the way we're using him.

Less is More!!!

If you'd rather use Zeke and Pollard 50/50 splitting carries then that's your opinion

Do you see Christian McCaffrey splitting carries 50/50

How about Henry??

Just name me one Pro Bowl Running Back in NFL history that runs a single back system that shares snaps at a 50/50 rate???

Only Tony Pollard?? Hmm

Okay....that isn't at all.... not one little bit.....what i originally objected to.

But okay whatever.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Hey man if you are an NFL team and you don't mind paying fat Zeke for something he did 5 years ago good for you. If own a business and you have no problems with your employees doing less and less every year for more money that is great. Personally I would like to see the Cowboys operate more like a serious football enterprise and if I owned a business I would expect my employees to remain profitable over the years.

No...you don't want to "operate more seriously".....or else you'd use Zeke like you paid him. You want less....or even no carries (you'd cut him and pay him his guaranteed money). How is that good business?

If you know football and good business, you would make better use of him.

You, apparently, know neither.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

If you think fandom is binary (fanboys or haters), I see the real problem.

Exactly......

Take your own advice.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

After holding out and getting paid is career YPC has dropped from 4.7 to 4.5 to 4.0 to 4.2 to 3.9. His yards per reception (YPR) has dropped from 7.4 to 7.8 to 6.5 to 6.1 to 5.4. Do you have any idea how bad a 5.4 YPR is? He averaged 5.1 YPC and 11.3 YPR as a rookie. He was incredible. He got paid. He has gotten worse and worse ever since. I don't know what else to say.

If you are using just one stat, that depends on more than just the one player....

I see the real problem.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Hey man if you are an NFL team and you don't mind paying fat Zeke for something he did 5 years ago good for you. If own a business and you have no problems with your employees doing less and less every year for more money that is great. Personally I would like to see the Cowboys operate more like a serious football enterprise and if I owned a business I would expect my employees to remain profitable over the years.

He's just splitting carries and only getting 3.9 ypc

And only 5 yards per catch..

But he's a big NFL Starting Power Back.

Okay....that isn't at all.... not one little bit.....what i originally objected to.

But okay whatever.

we got beat handily in the last 2 playoff games after being down by 3 scores in each

Zeke had 31 yards against Sf and 47 yards against the Rams in the p/o's

How is that not relative to us getting behind and losing???

You want to play him 50/50 because we're paying him

The Rams signed Gurley to a bigger deal than zeke and the minute he sucked he got cut and they ate all of his guaranteed money

No Screen Zeke is not a playoff caliber running back.

When this mature oline does open up a hole do you want a Corvette or a Malibu going through it??

Because the power and the speed is gone

 

[kumizi]

The field wasnt all that great, the titans stacked it up.... you are foolish to judge anyone based upon one game. Zeke has been good this season...... period.

You literally quoted a post that stated he’s at 3.9 ypc for the whole year.

The sky is green…period.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

He's just splitting carries and only getting 3.9 ypc

And only 5 yards per catch..

But he's a big NFL Starting Power Back.
we got beat handily in the last 2 playoff games after being down by 3 scores in each

Zeke had 31 yards against Sf and 47 yards against the Rams in the p/o's

How is that not relative to us getting behind and losing???

You want to play him 50/50 because we're paying him

The Rams signed Gurley to a bigger deal than zeke and the minute he sucked he got cut and they ate all of his guaranteed money

No Screen Zeke is not a playoff caliber running back.

When this mature oline does open up a hole do you want a Corvette or a Malibu going through it??

Because the power and the speed is gone

So you wonder why I disagree with you? When you blame Zeke for no screens... you lose all credibility. In everything.
Have a good day.

 

[CATCH17]

No...you don't want to "operate more seriously".....or else you'd use Zeke like you paid him. You want less....or even no carries (you'd cut him and pay him his guaranteed money). How is that good business?

If you know football and good business, you would make better use of him.

You, apparently, know neither.

Better use of Zeke would be using him less considering Tony Pollard is a much better player than he is.

 

[CowboysExchange]

So you wonder why I disagree with you? When you blame Zeke for no screens... you lose all credibility. In everything.
Have a good day.

Can you name me one Pro bowl rb that splits carries at a 50/50 split rate or Not???

Did Barry Sanders split carries at a 50/50 rate hmmm

Did he have a big power back loosening up the defense?? Ha ha ha

Zeke was a league leader, a pro bowler, and All pro.

But the keyword is WASSSSS

He has no Burst anymore. He's just a short yardage back and a designated blocker because somebody can't handle the pass protection

 

[beware_d-ware]

Zeke's washed at this point. You can sign an RB like Malik Davis off the scrap heap who can rush better than him.