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You can't compare modern era QBs to the Namath generation.
Eli Manning HOF? Yes or No
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gtb1943
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totally different game back then. That was why Bullet Bob shook things up so much and caused the creation of the Zone Defense. Other very fast WRs like Paul Warfield did the same. Deep threats that opened the game up.
Namath was more image and symbol than a great player. Frankly its arguable he made the HOF more as a contributor than a player.
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the mentality that says because of two games, one a fluke, that makes him a HOF is beyond belief
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It wasn't just two games, Eli was great in the 2007 and 11 playoffs. He was also incredibly clutch in 2011.
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So he had about half a dozen games where he was really good. That is a HOF player?
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/eli-manning-playoff-stats
these are his career playoff stats. Yes he was very good in 2007 and top level in 2011
so that means he was really clutch in six to eight games in two years in his career.
That is a little better than the two games so many of Dumb Face's defenders whine about.
Still not a HOF career. And besides those two years, what did he do in the playoffs.
And REMEMBER, he usually had one of the TOP NFL defenses
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/5526/eli-manning
these are his career stats.
THAT Is not a player deserving of a HOF Yellow Jacket.
he only made four pro bowls and was NEVER ALL PRO; NOT EVEN ONCE.
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Yes, he was so good in 07 and 11 that he won two Super Bowls and was the MVP. He also has an iconic throw in 2007 super bowl, clutch moments against both the Cowboys and Packers, and arguably one of the greatest throws in history in the 2011 Super Bowl.
Also the standards for the HOFhave already been set - adjusting by era, Eli Manning is right there with Terry Bradshaw in terms of statistics compared to his peers of their respective eras. 70% of Kurt Warners career was pedestrian but he is in the HOF. Bob Griese is another one in his era that wasn't as good as his peers. Oh, and Troy Aikman.
The standard for the HOF has never been "consistently top 3 for your entire career" - QBs have made it for a couple of good seasons, clutch moments, and their performances in the post season. You don't have to agree with this, but that's the standard. Eli Manning was a top 10-12 QB in his era and one of the few to have two Super Bowl rings and Super Bowl MVPs. He's going to be a HOF.
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Have you noticed where the Giants are without Manning . About where Dallas is without Aikman . Yes he’s HOF .
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No. Eli is not a hall of famer.
However, the checklist left off the most important detail. Last name Manning (check)
However, the checklist left off the most important detail. Last name Manning (check)
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For me, no.
However, in all fairness the HOF contains many players who imho (and others, there are several articles available in that regard) don't deserve it.
So if they're going to let those guys in, can't really get too upset if Eli gets in. I'm more upset at Cowboys players that DO deserve it and aren't in....
However, in all fairness the HOF contains many players who imho (and others, there are several articles available in that regard) don't deserve it.
So if they're going to let those guys in, can't really get too upset if Eli gets in. I'm more upset at Cowboys players that DO deserve it and aren't in....
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this is total complete garbage
YES the standard for the HOF was be elite for a number of years. Maybe you might want to research some.
So basically you are saying just because he had a couple of hot streaks he should be in the HOF.
In that case why not Joe Flacco?
Jim Plunket got two rings; why not him?
You are pushing hard for someone who clearly is not worthy of being in the HOF.
Think about it.
When Eli was playing outside of Giants fans WHO THOUGHT HE WAS ELITE?
AND THAT IS THE ONLY ONES THAT SHOULD GET IN.
Your claims are a joke.
Bluntly speaking, Troy Aikman played at a level that exceeded Eli's for five years at least and arguably more. So trying to say he is the same as Eli is PATHETIC.
Kurt Warner? I actually was one who did not think he belonged. Was not that good long enough. BUT he certainly was better than ELI. Try and find any Pro Coach who would say Eli was as good. Total horsecrap.
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You don't set the standards. I already pointed out, there are QBs in the HOF that weren't statistically elite but made the HOF. For example, Troy Aikman. Troy Aikman had a couple seasons where he was top 3-5 in QBR, but the reason for this is because he was throwing fewer than his peers which also resulted in far less TD throws. Aikman made the HOF because of his post-season performances. Those 3 post-seasons where he elevated his game and won Super Bowls is why he's a HOFer, not due to anything outstanding he did in the post-season.
Cope more.
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frankly, AIkman was borderline. Cope with that.
So are you claiming Eli was anywhere near what Aikman was?
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Like I said, Aikman made the HOF because of his post-season success. Not his regular season stats. That criteria is already part of the HOF and Eli fits into it. He wasn't a statistical darling in the regular season, but he elevated his play in the playoffs and got two Super Bowls out of it. The 2x Super Bowl MVP against the greatest dynasty of the past 2 decades along with those iconic throws he made are just adding to it.
He'll be in the HOF. Whether you like that or not doesn't matter. You're just wrong, dude.
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No he's not. He's 11th in passing yards and and 11th in TDs.
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Oh he probably will get in because of voters like you
Aikman's four year run from 92-95 is all time.
Eli was above average and nothing more
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For his entire career, he was generally rated in the 8-12 range as a QB. Romo was rated higher than him most of the time, and Romo is not a HOFer.
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Romo would have been a HOF if he got a ring along with his regular season stats. But he didn't, that's why he's in the tier with someone like Rivers.
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That's not the only criteria though. This is record book stuff, the HOF is a combination of outstanding play and players/coaches/owners that made an impact on the story of the league.
You won't be able to tell the NFL story without the discussion about the greatest upset of all time and the fact the Giants went back and did it again in 2011 just adds to it. Also having a top 5 iconic throw and one of the best throws in NFL history in the Super Bowl in a clutch moment, he fits the criteria of getting in.
He deserves it. Nobody will ever say Eli Manning was the best of his era and that's not why he's getting in.
