Mike Green metrics

I like Green quite a bit, but as we get nearer to the draft, he seems less and less likely. I'm guessing, with our new coaching staff, we'll either be looking WR, RB, CB, or DT. Edge is definitely a need but I can see them thinking that they're relatively covered between Kneeland, Parsons, Sam, and perhaps resigning Lawson. The other positions are all much worse off.
 
Are you seriously talking about playing 2 LBs at DE?

Thats college, everyone is bigger, faster and better in the NFL

Micah already gets washed out now Green will too

Then please dont come back and cry that teams just run all over us

Recipe for disaster
if he is the BPA at 12 then we should draft him,not sure why you think Green is a LB because he has never played LB in college.
 
I don't know if he's going to be a bust, but I am hesitant to spend the 12 on another end. We're about to invest heavily in Parsons, and he'll primarily be playing (right) end, then we spent last year's second on a (left) end, a strong run defender who was a second-rounder because his pass-rush needed work. I know you can never have too many pass rushers, but I think this defense will benefit more from an interior disrupter like Walter Nolen. I'd re-sign Lawson for cheap to pair with Parsons, Kneeland and Williams (coming off injury). I wouldn't mind adding an end to that group sometime during the draft, but not early. Now, if Dallas has one of the ends rated top 10 and Nolen not in the top 20, then I'd rather have another pass rusher over any other position than RB (only because of Jeanty) if we couldn't trade down slightly. I think Nolen is worth the 12, though.
I understand this take but what happens when teams take neutralize Parsons with double and triple teams and as we've seen, the pass rush nearly disappears? This is the same argument made as to why DeWare never played with another playmaker until the Broncos. I think Overshown gave us a peek at Parsons's true impact with another playmaker on the field. In fact, this isn't much different from fans wanting to sign Osa ( $20-25M ) who's an average run defender AND use 12 on a DT. Never mind we already have a 1st pick DT who also is an average run defender. But we are saying drafting an elite DE to pair with Parsons is an overkill? It's a bit odd....especially since it's much easier to find 1 tech/NT to address our real issue on the interior Dline......run defenders.
 
to me Green clearly 2nd best pass rusher after Carter,i also like Pearce but he is even lighter than Green and i havent seem him bend like Green either .
 
Well that’s if you actually believe he’s 250. He sure doesn’t look it. Sports reference who’s usually more accurate than the schools who exaggerate size has him listed at 215. He look maybe 235.
Regardless, 2 Micah’s don’t do alot of good if ones sitting on the bench. Nor do they do you any good if all the offense has to do is run it down your throat. This defense scheme someone has to play the 5tech. We dropped a 2nd on our future 5tech last year.
Beware the one year wonders and I’d think this guy is the most likely candidate to be a bust in the first!
They measured him at the Senior Bowl.
 
to me Green clearly 2nd best pass rusher after Carter,i also like Pearce but he is even lighter than Green and i havent seem him bend like Green either .
PFF 2024 grade for Green is 92.4, 719 snaps .....2nd - 869

Abdul Carter 2024 grade .....91.2, 734 snaps........4th - 869

PFF has him listed as 6'4 248
 
PFF 2024 grade for Green is 92.4, 719 snaps .....2nd - 869

Abdul Carter 2024 grade .....91.2, 734 snaps........4th - 869
guys i really like Nolen and Green will test very well and may go before 12,i can settle for Mcmillan if he drops in that case.
 
guys i really like Nolen and Green will test very well and may go before 12
This isn't a reach at all IMO........ Let's not forget, that he dominated the Senior Bowl week going against the big boys ( some are knocking his competition at Marshall )
I agree, by draft time, he may not get out 10.
 
I believe in tiered BPA. In other words, there may not be a discernible difference valuewise between Player A, Player B and Player C when you draft, so take the one that most fills a need. Now, occasionally, there's clearly a player who is BPA. I think that happened the year we took Lamb, and I believe Parsons also was BPA (and we were prepared to draft need instead, but thankfully both corners we were eyeing were gone).

I would take Jeanty if he's there because of the value. If he's not, I would take Graham or Nolen because of the position need/value. If they are gone, I would take Green or Pearce Jr. If all of those are gone, I'd take Burden or Banks.
If Graham is there at 12 you run to podium before Goodell and announce the pick
 
My issue with Green is he is only 250 pounds, not sure we can afford to have 2 light weight DEs given the lack of talent at DT.
 
if he is the BPA at 12 then we should draft him,not sure why you think Green is a LB because he has never played LB in college
“BPA” is such drivel and nonsense
What is BPA to you is not BPA to me

That is just a term thrown around
Give 5 players currently set to be picked 5-15 to 5 different scouts and i can bet their ranking will be different

Even within the Cowboys organization you can bet there are massive differences of opinion on how even the top 20 players rank let alone top 100

So who is BPA?

There is no way Green is BPA for a 4-3 team at 12

At least not a team that understands defense
 
if he is the BPA at 12 then we should draft him,not sure why you think Green is a LB because he has never played LB in college.
Marshall plays a 3-4 defense as its base and Green was a stand-up edge ...basically an outside LB. Green is best suited for a 3-4 to where he can be protected by his DL and allow him to use his quickness and athletic ability. I'm not saying he can't play with his hand in the dirt on occasion, but if he is forced to it takes away from what he does best, which is create pressure. Parsons is actually best suited for a 3-4 as well.
The Cowboys have to work on fixing their run defense and getting another player like Parsons to "force a fit " into our 4-3 scheme is senseless.
 
We don't like small school guys this high. Ware was the outlier. I think we have other needs and our board is usually stacked much different than other teams. I see Green as a faller. Bottom of Rd 1.
 
Marshall plays a 3-4 defense as its base and Green was a stand-up edge ...basically an outside LB. Green is best suited for a 3-4 to where he can be protected by his DL and allow him to use his quickness and athletic ability. I'm not saying he can't play with his hand in the dirt on occasion, but if he is forced to it takes away from what he does best, which is create pressure. Parsons is actually best suited for a 3-4 as well.
The Cowboys have to work on fixing their run defense and getting another player like Parsons to "force a fit " into our 4-3 scheme is senseless.
OK...but how does signing Osa to a new contract ( as some wanna see ) fix the run defense?
 
OK...but how does signing Osa to a new contract ( as some wanna see ) fix the run defense?
I for one would like to see Osa walk. Too much money for a guy to get you 4 sacks and average run support at best Not to mention he's inconsistent...some games you see him and other games you don't even notice if he's on the field. For 21+ million I would rather have a guy who going to elevate the play of the whole unit or give me Kinlaw or Levi Onwuzurike for half the price.
 
I for one would like to see Osa walk. Too much money for a guy to get you 4 sacks and average run support at best Not to mention he's inconsistent...some games you see him and other games you don't even notice if he's on the field. For 21+ million I would rather have a guy who going to elevate the play of the whole unit or give me Kinlaw or Levi Onwuzurike for half the price.
everyone is hung up on his pressures but that is not everything, at DE we need someone that can do both if we want a championship D. I agree that what looks like his market price is simply too high for what he has produced.
 
We have too many needs to take a chance on a small school DE taking a big step up in competition. DE is a really hard projection. It is not like RB.
 
We have too many needs to take a chance on a small school DE taking a big step up in competition. DE is a really hard projection. It is not like RB.
no matter how quick, a small DE like that can be bull rushed and flattened. You just cannot put a 250 lb DE out there anymore except for strictly pass rush.
 
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