The Offensive Line 2020-2024: we did invest, we just had little success with the investment. Why??

Selecting Guyton a guy who hasn't played much and going off potential is someone you pick up LATER in the draft on day 3
They were not going to pick up Guyton on day 3. Perhaps they overshot picking him in the first but he's at the very least a second round pick.
 
They were not going to pick up Guyton on day 3. Perhaps they overshot picking him in the first but he's at the very least a second round pick.
Yeah on draft day Guyton was a late round 1 to round 2 pick. In hindsight though Coog is probably right. After his 2024 tape Guyton is probably a round 3/4 type of guy in any sort of fantasy scenario redo.
 
Not sold on Guyton at LT. I believe Beebe did good considering he was moved to center and trust he will steadily improve the more time he plays the position. But I do look forward to them being coached by new coaches.
 
It sounds like what it comes down to is player evaluation. Whether it is free agency or the draft, the teams that can evaluate talent better will do better on the field.

When the Eagles took Landon Dickerson in the second round in 2021 (#37 overall), The Cowboys took Kelvin Joseph. At the time JOK, Nick Bolton, and Creed Humphry were available. There were other that were also better than Joseph. 2nd round picks are important and if you miss there you are giving up a possible starter or better. Dallas has made a lot of mistakes in the 2nd round.

The Giants have been drafting near the top of each round for years. They took two OTs early in the draft and one turned out okay, the other has been a weak spot for them. You pay the price for mistakes like that.

The Cowboys need to stop wasting draft picks.
 
Selecting Guyton a guy who hasn't played much and going off potential is someone you pick up LATER in the draft on day 3
He was never expected to be a plug and play guy, even if he stuck at RT. Let's be fair, he was only 3 picks out of being a 2nd Rder
 
It sounds like what it comes down to is player evaluation. Whether it is free agency or the draft, the teams that can evaluate talent better will do better on the field.

When the Eagles took Landon Dickerson in the second round in 2021 (#37 overall), The Cowboys took Kelvin Joseph. At the time JOK, Nick Bolton, and Creed Humphry were available. There were other that were also better than Joseph. 2nd round picks are important and if you miss there you are giving up a possible starter or better. Dallas has made a lot of mistakes in the 2nd round.

The Giants have been drafting near the top of each round for years. They took two OTs early in the draft and one turned out okay, the other has been a weak spot for them. You pay the price for mistakes like that.

The Cowboys need to stop wasting draft picks.
Yep, drafting been a peculiarity of late. I didn't realise that in the Mazi v Bergeron debate, Bergeron went 12 places later (and two O-Linemen in between), are we going off script in 1st Rd as well as the traditional 2nd Rd lottery ticket.
 
we properly invested in the O line. And to be blunt so far most of the picks have worked. Biadaz was a good pick at the time; it was only later that it could be seen he would never be good enough to rate the next contract. Yes Tyler was drafted to play LT but he is a ALL PRO Guard so that is fine. Beebe I believe will also be fine.
Guyton is a questionmark but give him another year.
 
Dallas Cowboys:
2020:
4-Tyler Biadasz
(Steele UDFA)

2021:
4-Josh Ball

2022:
1-Tyler Smith
5-Matt Waletzko

2023:
5-Asim Richards

2024:
1-Tyler Guyton
3-Cooper Beebe
7-Nathan Thomas

The Offensive Line 2020-2024: we did invest, we just had little success with the investment. Why??​


Way off base IMO.
2024 barely counts because they were rookies. So, we invested ONE quality pick in the other 4 years you listed and that one player is really really good. Day 3 picks aren't expected to be starters. The fact that Biadasz was a 4 year starter showed it was a really good pick. If anything all you did was outline how we didn't address the OL in the draft. The number of picks is not what is important: it's quality, not quantity
 
IMO terrible line coaching and a worse run scheme. I bet the same players, by midseason are looking completely different this year with Adams and Riley.
 
We have talent.

Coaching/Scheme is the main issue.

Similar to how we used to reliably crank out OL starters under Callahan, the Eagles are doing the same with Stoutland.
 
It sounds like what it comes down to is player evaluation. Whether it is free agency or the draft, the teams that can evaluate talent better will do better on the field.

When the Eagles took Landon Dickerson in the second round in 2021 (#37 overall), The Cowboys took Kelvin Joseph. At the time JOK, Nick Bolton, and Creed Humphry were available. There were other that were also better than Joseph. 2nd round picks are important and if you miss there you are giving up a possible starter or better. Dallas has made a lot of mistakes in the 2nd round.

The Giants have been drafting near the top of each round for years. They took two OTs early in the draft and one turned out okay, the other has been a weak spot for them. You pay the price for mistakes like that.

The Cowboys need to stop wasting draft picks.
Reminds me of the early 2010s, the Giants tried to replicate what the Cowboys did on OL.

DAL: Tyron T (9th), Frederick C (31st), Martin T converted to G (16th)
NYG: Flowers T (9th), Richburg C (43rd) Pugh T converted to G (19th)

Cowboys got 2 HOF'ers (+1 should've been HOF'er) and the Giants got three Who-of-Famers.

Almost feels like the reverse is happening now with us and Philly
 

The Offensive Line 2020-2024: we did invest, we just had little success with the investment. Why??​


Way off base IMO.
2024 barely counts because they were rookies. So, we invested ONE quality pick in the other 4 years you listed and that one player is really really good. Day 3 picks aren't expected to be starters. The fact that Biadasz was a 4 year starter showed it was a really good pick. If anything all you did was outline how we didn't address the OL in the draft. The number of picks is not what is important: it's quality, not quantity
Absolutely agree, and this is part of the issue. We find guys, develop them, and let them walk too often with the expectation that we can replace them with another cheap contract. Biadasz, Williams, McGovern have all walked in recent years and been quality starters for other teams. Part of the issue is roster building philosophy and the team thinking they can plug and play guys on the interior OL and DL. If you have stability among most of your OL you can get away with that. When you have multiple rookies and an aging Zach Martin its a lot more difficult to do.
 
Because we ignore extremely important traits. Traits too often ignored by Jerry:

1. Strength.
2. Lateral agility.(Can't block someone if you can't stay in front of them).
3. Health. I cannot comprehend how we are still taking guys w/ health issues. It bites us over and over and over, but Jerry is still doing it.
 
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