The Offensive Line 2020-2024: we did invest, we just had little success with the investment. Why??

CowboyoWales said:
Didn't you get the memo, Jerry wasn't spending last year and he threw the rookies in at the deep end. Guyton was hardly a 1st Rd grader and was hardly a top of the round pick.
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Should've been sitting and learning last season. Good thing is, he's the most talented OL on the roster, so maybe he'll take a big step this off.
 
Gameover said:

Why??​


Cause its simply NOT TRUE

You choose not to resign Wisconsin who made the Pro Bowl here and was a starter on a Championship Game team with Washington

You drafted McGovern in 2019 in the 3rd who you also choose not to sign and who made the Pro Bowl with Buffalo

Smith made second team All Pro

Pretty good haul over five drafts. How many teams draft three OL over a five draft stretch that make a Pro Bowl, but of course it is simply not good enough in Dallas!

Wo-is-us

Judge Beebe and Guyton going forward.

And you got two division championships and three playoff appearances out of those investments
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Imo, the first and upfront priority is solidifying a unquestioned top notch OL coach in place.

- We've seem to go thru OL coaches on an every 2 years basis, ..that's not continuing continuity that we are establishing with young draftees.

- Reportedly former OL coach Joe Philibin did not care for either Conner McGovern , .not Tyler Smith, but along with OL guru Duke Merriweather - Phibin was instrumental in developing
Terrence Steele from awful rookie year to a solid starting RT - before his eventual ACL injury.
It wasn't until it was too late that Philibin began developing Conner Williams to center ...before his eventual departure to Miami, where only major injuries preventing him from being a pro bowl caliber pivot.

- And Mike " Sorry " Solari OL tenure was an utter mess here, responsible for the run game coordination, the scheme and design has been hideous, there has been some questioning in
the development of Guyton, and Bass took a step back - a bright spot was utility swing man Brock Hoffman ..and before his multiple injuries it seem like Asim Richard was finally turning the corner
as a developing backup OT ...

- we really do need to get a solid OL coach staff - and keep it there for years to come, ..not a temporary 2 year stint.
 
kskboys said:
He wasn't.
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Ditto here.

i prefer to wait until Guyton receives competent quality coaching under his feet before i signal wasted pick. ..I had heard that there could have been some indifference between the
coaching tutoring of OL guru Duke Merriweather ..vs OL coach Mike Solari . That could have added confusion with the rookie Guyton.
 
quickccc said:
Ditto here.

i prefer to wait until Guyton receives competent quality coaching under his feet before i signal wasted pick. ..I had heard that there could have been some indifference between the
coaching tutoring of OL guru Duke Merriweather ..vs OL coach Mike Solari . That could have added confusion with the rookie Guyton.
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Guyton only started a handful of games at tackle and it was at RT in college
to me expecting him to start right away was a totally moronic decision.
So you got to give him at least another year at LT before doing something else
 
gtb1943 said:
Guyton only started a handful of games at tackle and it was at RT in college
to me expecting him to start right away was a totally moronic decision.
So you got to give him at least another year at LT before doing something else
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For a left handed QB. He was the blindside protector. Needs technique work.

Completely moronic. Very raw coming in.
 
You have to give them time.

Nine O-linemen started at least one game for the Cowoys in 2024.

Only two were not drafted or signed as rookie free agents by the Cowboys during the period specified, 2020-2024.

The starting lineup for the Cowboys last game of the season for the O-line was two rookies, one 2nd year player, one 3rd year player and one fourth year player.

In 2015 the Cowboys had three Pro Bowlers on the O-line, all 1st round picks. They went 4-12 that season.

The O-line wasn't responsible for last season's record. And that wasn't Saquon Barkley standing behind them.
 
Coaching comes to mind, ive said for years other teams dont need 5 1st round pick OL's to run an offense..JG's (who is also KM's and Most of MM's) schemes did thats the problem long arss developing old schemes..you want to run the 90's offense then you need the 90's Oline, that doesnt work in todays cap system.
 
plasticman said:
You have to give them time.

Nine O-linemen started at least one game for the Cowoys in 2024.

Only two were not drafted or signed as rookie free agents by the Cowboys during the period specified, 2020-2024.

The starting lineup for the Cowboys last game of the season for the O-line was two rookies, one 2nd year player, one 3rd year player and one fourth year player.

In 2015 the Cowboys had three Pro Bowlers on the O-line, all 1st round picks. They went 4-12 that season.

The O-line wasn't responsible for last season's record. And that wasn't Saquon Barkley standing behind them.
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The O line certainly contributed to the record last year in a negative way. IT was not THE factor but certainly pat of it.
 
gtb1943 said:
Guyton only started a handful of games at tackle and it was at RT in college
to me expecting him to start right away was a totally moronic decision.
So you got to give him at least another year at LT before doing something else
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Or move him to RT and let him develop at the less vital position.
Dallas didn't even start top 10 pick Tyron Smith at LT as a rookie.
Guyton is a monster athlete, and Dallas has a great track record of hitting on highly drafted OL so I'd give him time; but I also wouldn't pencil him in at the most vital OL position.
 
jterrell said:
Or move him to RT and let him develop at the less vital position.
Dallas didn't even start top 10 pick Tyron Smith at LT as a rookie.
Guyton is a monster athlete, and Dallas has a great track record of hitting on highly drafted OL so I'd give him time; but I also wouldn't pencil him in at the most vital OL position.
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Sure, but then who do we play at OLT? Maybe a midrange FA?
 
With our future hall of famer just retiring, I would have no problems with the scouts identifying a guard/tackle in the 2nd/3rd round area of this draft.
Like a few have said here, I believe the main problem is that the coaches got lazy in teaching scheme and "want to".
While people all over are poo-pooing the Shotty pick for head coach, his choices for this staff give me hope. Both lines coaches and coordinator's will bring in new schemes, new culture and new "want to", to both lines.
I am willing to sit back and watch the lines more than anything else this season and see how the changes come. By year 2 I expect to see a weeding out of players and a much different group and playing style.

This is right now what gives me hope....
 
kskboys said:
Should've been sitting and learning last season. Good thing is, he's the most talented OL on the roster, so maybe he'll take a big step this off.
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I think TYLER SMITH is the most talented player on the O line.
 
Cowboys OL now has 2 high quality coaches with a scheme that gets more out of a little, so the hope is for the upside these players have to be unlocked.

Cowboys let some starters (Biadasz, McGovern, Connor Williams and Tyron) walk, so I think they have been successful drafting OL. Draft, develop, keep...Cowboys FO have to work on the keep part.
 
mote said:
I think the key to the Eagles is taking more of a long-term view and not expecting O-linemen to just plug holes immediately as rookies (for the most part). Players are developed by excellent coaching and mentoring, and some develop faster and others more slowly but they also cut bait when it seems like it's not going to work (i.e. Dillard). Having a long term view with player development gives you a succession plan and takes the pressure of players to be day one pro-bowlers. It seems to work really well, and I wonder why other teams don't emulate the model?
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So true. We expected two rookies playing new positions not to have some struggles? Beebe is gonna be fine, Guyton should be on right side but we don’t have a Lt
 
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