What would you do? (offseason fun what-ifs)

[JonesBoys]

WWTJBD. What would the Jones boys do? Nothing.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Our bumpkin has the edge on their city slicker

93 < 98
5 division titles
6 playoff appearances
Head-to-head
2014-2023

They'll bring up playoffs and SB, but if he's so superior and Jerry's so inferior, shouldn't he be dominating in all phases?

Just the whole story

If you’re going to claim you know the whole story, you might not want to include the Chip Kelly years.

 

[TwentyOne]

If you could trade for any 2 players on the same team, but you had to give up every single pick this year. What 2 players would you take?

Edit: Supplemental draft picks are not included and you may keep them.

Rules:
1. The cap is still in effect so you can't take players who would push you over the cap without a way to get below the Salary Cap with contract restructures.
2. The player traded to your team can't be a QB because of Dak's contract issues and dead cap hit unless said QB is on a cap hit below 20m a year.
3. It can't be a rookie player going on a second year in the league in 2025 league year.
4. You can add a 3rd player to trade, but have to give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd next year as well.

This is just a fun post... Obviously it would never happen and a dreamscape. We are in the offseason though. Let's have some fun.

If you have another rule I should include or change. Feel free to add to it.

Id stay put.

I dont trade multiple draft picks for one player. And especially not those of round 1 to 4.

And thats a fundamental rule i follow. I woudlnt even if my team was close and missing only one or two players. Dallas on the other hand has fundamental problems. Those are not solved with 2 players even if those were the next coming of Scramblin Joe.

 

[TwentyOne]

Our bumpkin has the edge on their city slicker

93 < 98
5 division titles
6 playoff appearances
Head-to-head
2014-2023

They'll bring up playoffs and SB, but if he's so superior and Jerry's so inferior, shouldn't he be dominating in all phases?

Just the whole story

No he shouldnt.

 

[kskboys]

Id stay put.

I dont trade multiple draft picks for one player. And especially not those of round 1 to 4.

And thats a fundamental rule i follow. I woudlnt even if my team was close and missing only one or two players. Dallas on the other hand has fundamental problems. Those are not solved with 2 players even if those were the next coming of Scramblin Joe.

To trade multiple picks for one player, you gotta have an Aaron Donald or a Jalen Carter just a few picks up. Trading up for WRs and CBs is foolish. Why? Because those positions are only as effective as the guys up front let them be. A disruptive DT is far more valuable than any WR or CB.

 

[Gameover]

If you’re going to claim you know the whole story, you might not want to include the Chip Kelly years.

Weren't those years largely a failure? How did the flawless super genius make such underwhelming hire!

 

[Gameover]

No he shouldnt.

but if he's so superior and Jerry's so inferior, shouldn't the super genius be dominating the far inferior Jerry Jones in all phases?

The way the media fawns over him plus Cowboys fans envy, you would think he was running laps around Jerry in all phases, but he's actually been quite inferior in most many aspects of winning. Games/division/playoff appearances

The whole story.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Weren't those years largely a failure? How did the flawless super genius make such underwhelming hire!

Ownership meddling. Lurie gave Kelly control over most team operations, including personnel after a year. The "failure" took a 4-12 team and went 10-6, then followed up with another 10-6 season. But his bad personnel decisions and abrasive personality caught up with him, and he was fired when the team was 6-9 IIRC. I believe he didn't get to coach the last game of the season (maybe two games?). Lurie corrected his mistake and Roseman was put back in charge of personnel and the draft. Kelly was not a good hire for sure---although one lasting effect was Kelly getting Jeff Stoutland to go to Philly. He's still there and is regarded as the best o-line coach in the game by his peers.

And not every hire or draft pick is a good one. No one is perfect. Apparently this is something you don't understand. And if you would take our GM'ing over Roseman, you are a straight up fool. Unlike Jerry, Lurie fixed his mistake.

 

[Gameover]

And not every hire or draft pick is a good one. No one is perfect. Apparently this is something you don't understand. And if you would take our GM'ing over Roseman, you are a straight up fool.

Apparently it is with the way the media fawns over him, and I did not say I would take Jones over Rosie just adding context to the runaway train that Rosie is running laps around Jones, which is is simply not true. And sometimes you got to be the fool when it comes to going against the grain of a public consensus. I have facts on my side though despite how foolish you think I may be. Jones team ran Rosie's team off the field in 2021. Just a fact. Jones team beat Rosie's team twice for the division in 2018. Just the facts.

 

[john van brocklin]

Cause his replacement is going to automatically do better than 5 division championships, 6 playoff appearances in a ten year span just because he/she isn't Jerry Jones?

Not to mention all the pro bowlers--all pros--rookie of the years--Jerry's found the last 20 years!

And this ain't trolling or being an apologist--this is telling the entire story--the whole picture

Roseman is the greatest, he works harder than anybody to improve his team! Well, Jerry team has more wins than Roseman the previous 10 years! The entire story

As far as the team for next year... get Guyton--kneeland--Beebe--liufau ready to be big time contributors next season. Sign or trade (not happening) Micha early.

Have an excellent draft.

I said we could agree to disagree.
There is no way not even making a NFCCG appearance in 29 years you could say Jerry has been successful.
Post season glory is the ultimate goal for all teams and we have been an abject failure the last 29 years.

 

[john van brocklin]

I'll trade him for a can of Vienna sausage and sell the team to a billionaire.

Lol

 

[Gameover]

There is no way not even making a NFCCG appearance in 29 years you could say Jerry has been successful.

If he were running just about any other team in the league the perception around Jerry Jones would be the total opposite of what they are now.

The guy has been a top 8 GM in the league for 20 years now. You don't ignore that because he hasn't won a SB.

 

[john van brocklin]

If he were running just about any other team in the league the perception around Jerry Jones would be the total opposite of what they are now.

The guy has been a top 8 GM in the league for 20 years now. You don't ignore that because he hasn't won a SB.

Please don't take this personally, but i am placing you on ignore.
We just have 2 completely different definitions of what success in the NFL looks like.
You are never going to convince me you are right.
All the best!

 

[Wildcat711]

If he were running just about any other team in the league the perception around Jerry Jones would be the total opposite of what they are now.

The guy has been a top 8 GM in the league for 20 years now. You don't ignore that because he hasn't won a SB.

Why would he be better at another team? .. the owner would give him more power?

It just beggers belief.. what sane Cowboys fan would say he has done a good job?

He could yet go down as the worst GM in NFL history.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Dexter Lawrence

Andrew Thomas

 

[TwentyOne]

but if he's so superior and Jerry's so inferior, shouldn't the super genius be dominating the far inferior Jerry Jones in all phases?

The way the media fawns over him plus Cowboys fans envy, you would think he was running laps around Jerry in all phases, but he's actually been quite inferior in most many aspects of winning. Games/division/playoff appearances

The whole story.

you are just trying to search for reasons that he is not superior or JJ is not inferior. Maybe because out of emotions. Because maybe you cant endure that the Eagles are the better franchise right now.

But your reasoning is of pure academical nature. And your point of view is a black/white one.
You are arguing in extrems trying to prove something. But your arguments have - as i already said - no factual or real value.

 

[Gameover]

Why would he be better at another team? .. the owner would give him more power?

It just beggers belief.. what sane Cowboys fan would say he has done a good job?

He could yet go down as the worst GM in NFL history.

over the 20 year stretch of 2004-2023--JJ has won 7 division titles and been to the playoffs 9 times. He's rebuilt his team on the fly at least three times and hasn't had a sustained time at the bottom of the division or conference. In fact, his losing season's came in season's where JJ lost his QB for a sustained period of time.\\

Remove the Cowboys brand and perception away from Jones and just look at the body of work in those 20 season's and at worst it's a C+ job by Jones.

How many division titles has JJ team won over the past 20 years. Ask any media person that and I bet they would be shocked at how many and not because they don't care about division titles, but because the perception about JJ and the perception that the Cowboys are the worst run franchise in pro sports has tainted the reality that JJ has actually done a pretty good job for nearly 20 years.

 

[garyo1954]

It's embarrassing. While other teams have moved to a new millennium, Booger lives in the twilight zone where he and the Cowboys were relevant for winning. It's like listening to a drunk relative whose every story starts with, "remember that one time...."

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

over the 20 year stretch of 2004-2023--JJ has won 7 division titles and been to the playoffs 9 times. He's rebuilt his team on the fly at least three times and hasn't had a sustained time at the bottom of the division or conference. In fact, his losing season's came in season's where JJ lost his QB for a sustained period of time.\\

Remove the Cowboys brand and perception away from Jones and just look at the body of work in those 20 season's and at worst it's a C+ job by Jones.

How many division titles has JJ team won over the past 20 years. Ask any media person that and I bet they would be shocked at how many and not because they don't care about division titles, but because the perception about JJ and the perception that the Cowboys are the worst run franchise in pro sports has tainted the reality that JJ has actually done a pretty good job for nearly 20 years.

No one is arguing the cowboys have been the worst. The argument is the team is above average at best, and that was never the goal.

Jerry is the only GM in the history of sports where C+ gets you 30 years on the job

 

[Wildcat711]

over the 20 year stretch of 2004-2023--JJ has won 7 division titles and been to the playoffs 9 times. He's rebuilt his team on the fly at least three times and hasn't had a sustained time at the bottom of the division or conference. In fact, his losing season's came in season's where JJ lost his QB for a sustained period of time.\\

Remove the Cowboys brand and perception away from Jones and just look at the body of work in those 20 season's and at worst it's a C+ job by Jones.

How many division titles has JJ team won over the past 20 years. Ask any media person that and I bet they would be shocked at how many and not because they don't care about division titles, but because the perception about JJ and the perception that the Cowboys are the worst run franchise in pro sports has tainted the reality that JJ has actually done a pretty good job for nearly 20 years.

We will have to agree to disagree.. because there is no way you are going to convince me that Jerry has been a "pretty good" GM in the salary cap era.