What would you do? (offseason fun what-ifs)

[Gameover]

We will have to agree to disagree.. because there is no way you are going to convince me that Jerry has been a "pretty good" GM in the salary cap era.

over the 20 year stretch of 2004-2023

 

[Chasing6]

If you could trade for any 2 players on the same team, but you had to give up every single pick this year. What 2 players would you take?

Edit: Supplemental draft picks are not included and you may keep them.

Rules:
1. The cap is still in effect so you can't take players who would push you over the cap without a way to get below the Salary Cap with contract restructures.
2. The player traded to your team can't be a QB because of Dak's contract issues and dead cap hit unless said QB is on a cap hit below 20m a year.
3. It can't be a rookie player going on a second year in the league in 2025 league year.
4. You can add a 3rd player to trade, but have to give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd next year as well.

This is just a fun post... Obviously it would never happen and a dreamscape. We are in the offseason though. Let's have some fun.

If you have another rule I should include or change. Feel free to add to it.

1. I would fire the GM.

 

[kskboys]

over the 20 year stretch of 2004-2023

Jerry was the worst GM in the NFL. It's OK, Jerry, we know.

 

[Gameover]

you are just trying to search for reasons that he is not superior or JJ is not inferior. Maybe because out of emotions. Because maybe you cant endure that the Eagles are the better franchise right now.

But your reasoning is of pure academical nature. And your point of view is a black/white one.
You are arguing in extrems trying to prove something. But your arguments have - as i already said - no factual or real value.

Mr. Roseman's team did not outperform Mr. Jones's team the previous 10 football season's, In fact, Mr. Jones's team's out performed Mr. Roseman's team's

Mr. Roseman's team have had more playoff success, but in the 163 games played between 2014-2023, Mr. Jones's team was better in every metric

From total wins, to division titles, to playoff appearances. My arguments are nothing but valid. Factual in nature. Point of view is proof is in the pudding. JJ was not inferior in the 10 season -- 163 game stretch from 2014-2023. He was superior. I believe Jone's critics are denying the obvious out of emotion of frustration of not winning or not having playoff success over the past 29 season's. They maybe a better franchise now(not because they won the SB. Overall talent is low for first time since 2012) but they were not a better franchise from 2014-2023. Which is my only point. Actually 2004-2023. 7 division titles, 9 playoff appearances, and the division always ran through the Cowboys even in 2011,2012,2013. Cowboys have done everything but cutdown the nets

And my point is not to say that Jones is a better GM. My point is to push back against the perception that Roseman has done nothing but run rings around Jones. And that narrative is simply not true. Those 10 season's of proof to the contrary say's otherwise

 

[kskboys]

Mr. Roseman's team did not outperform Mr. Jones's team the previous 10 football season's, In fact, Mr. Jones's team's out performed Mr. Roseman's team's

Mr. Roseman's team have had more playoff success, but in the 163 games played between 2014-2023, Mr. Jones's team was better in every metric

From total wins, to division titles, to playoff appearances. My arguments are nothing but valid. Factual in nature. Point of view is proof is in the pudding. JJ was not inferior in the 10 season -- 163 game stretch from 2014-2023. He was superior. I believe Jone's critics are denying the obvious out of emotion of frustration of not winning or not having playoff success over the past 29 season's. They maybe a better franchise now(not because they won the SB. Overall talent is low for first time since 2012) but they were not a better franchise from 2014-2023. Which is my only point. Actually 2004-2023. 7 division titles, 9 playoff appearances, and the division always ran through the Cowboys even in 2011,2012,2013. Cowboys have done everything but cutdown the nets

Or make it even close to the nets.

 

[Gameover]

Jerry is the only GM in the history of sports where C+ gets you 30 years on the job

The C+ was at worst and I would give him B over the last 20. He's downfall was the entire Garrett era. From OC to coach. Teams were loaded. None more loaded than 2011 and we didn't make the playoffs. Skill talent out the wahoo and pass rushers galore. A recipe for post season success. Thanks to Garrett and Rob Ryan not even a playoff appearance.

Even the great Jerry West made bad coaching decisions that cost his teams championships. Michael Jordan would have only 4 rings if West had a big time coach in 96-98. If West can make bad coaching decisions surely Jerry can too

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

The C+ was at worst and I would give him B over the last 20. He's downfall was the entire Garrett era. From OC to coach. Teams were loaded. None more loaded than 2011 and we didn't make the playoffs. Skill talent out the wahoo and pass rushers galore. A recipe for post season success. Thanks to Garrett and Rob Ryan not even a playoff appearance.

Even the great Jerry West made bad coaching decisions that cost his teams championships. Michael Jordan would have only 4 rings if West had a big time coach in 96-98. If West can make bad coaching decisions surely Jerry can too

Jerry has made 6 consecutive bad head coaching changes

 

[TwentyOne]

Mr. Roseman's team did not outperform Mr. Jones's team the previous 10 football season's, In fact, Mr. Jones's team's out performed Mr. Roseman's team's

Mr. Roseman's team have had more playoff success, but in the 163 games played between 2014-2023, Mr. Jones's team was better in every metric

From total wins, to division titles, to playoff appearances. My arguments are nothing but valid. Factual in nature. Point of view is proof is in the pudding. JJ was not inferior in the 10 season -- 163 game stretch from 2014-2023. He was superior. I believe Jone's critics are denying the obvious out of emotion of frustration of not winning or not having playoff success over the past 29 season's. They maybe a better franchise now(not because they won the SB. Overall talent is low for first time since 2012) but they were not a better franchise from 2014-2023. Which is my only point. Actually 2004-2023. 7 division titles, 9 playoff appearances, and the division always ran through the Cowboys even in 2011,2012,2013. Cowboys have done everything but cutdown the nets

And my point is not to say that Jones is a better GM. My point is to push back against the perception that Roseman has done nothing but run rings around Jones. And that narrative is simply not true. Those 10 season's of proof to the contrary say's otherwise

When i judge Jones as a GM (or whatever manegement role outside owner he is having) his "success" during regular season is only one part of it.

See i did not make the rules but in this community (it means all the people that are involved in american football) playoff participation, playoff wins and championships count so much more than the games in the regular seadson. Its like you compare preseaons games with regular season games. Nobody cares about your wins there. They are necessary to be able to play the "real" games. And those are playoffs ans championships.

And said when you weight the playoffs you have to weight them so much more than the regular season.

I dont know why you picked a ten year span. Why didnt you pick the last 4 years for instance? But whatever... I follow this league now quite some time. Even before JJ took over DC. JJ is a bad GM. And his decissions show that. Not his approach nor his thinking has evloved. He just is bad and is not able to understand the important fundamentals.

Now even if i think he is bad doesnt contradict your opinion that he may be superior to Roseman. He could be. But when i watch what the Eagles did the last years they were almost every season the team to beat in our division. The last three to for years they were close to being the best team in football (hadnt they colaps interally last year they should have played and won the SB also).

Did Roseman always have success? No. But the guy shows that he has knowledge. He knows his job. You cant have success always. but he has again and again. Where Jones has flat out none. Jones has some success when he gets a good HC (the last one we had was Bill Parcells) that helps him and shows him how to run the frachise/team.

And again this is not about regular season games. Its also how you approach your job. What kind of plan do you have and does it show for the beholding audience. Jones has none. And there are reasons to it. The guy just does not understand the job of an GM and he has no idea how to run a sport team so this can be successful. He is a business man who knows how to sell stuff.
And latter shows another reason: He is not even interested in football. It just happend that his business has football involved. He does not care about football.


Roseman has outperformed JJ as a GM in every aspect. And it aint even a competition.

 

[Montanalo]

over the 20 year stretch of 2004-2023--JJ has won 7 division titles and been to the playoffs 9 times. He's rebuilt his team on the fly at least three times and hasn't had a sustained time at the bottom of the division or conference. In fact, his losing season's came in season's where JJ lost his QB for a sustained period of time.\\

Remove the Cowboys brand and perception away from Jones and just look at the body of work in those 20 season's and at worst it's a C+ job by Jones.

How many division titles has JJ team won over the past 20 years. Ask any media person that and I bet they would be shocked at how many and not because they don't care about division titles, but because the perception about JJ and the perception that the Cowboys are the worst run franchise in pro sports has tainted the reality that JJ has actually done a pretty good job for nearly 20 years.

If Jones was the GM (not GM/owner) at virtually any other team, he would have been fired within 5 years of taking the job.

He is a consummate marketer and good businessman, but not a very good GM.

 

[plasticman]

I would sign Parsons, keep Lamb and cut or trade every player making 10 million or more per year, including Dak. I would then sign a lot of cheap free agents to replace them. I would take my cap lumps earlier than later.

Obviously, the team would be doomed for 2025 but that isn't tanking any more than 1989 was Jimmy tanking. Every player left would be expected to play their best. I would give the scouting department every tool they needed to insure great drafts over the next two seasons.

In the draft I would trade down often from a top #1 pick for two reasons. First, it would give me more quality players. Secondly, I wouldn't have to worry about a top 5 pick's contract four years from now. I would try to include a team's #1 pick for the following season in a trade down.

Speaking of the draft, I would not draft a skill player in the 1st round and only draft linemen. I can get the skill players I need in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

I would build a solid team of competitive players at each position. I would have two quarterbacks capable of competing for the starting position. I wouldn't have a team of a half dozen great players, i would have 50 players capable of forming a great team.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

If he were running just about any other team in the league the perception around Jerry Jones would be the total opposite of what they are now.

The guy has been a top 8 GM in the league for 20 years now. You don't ignore that because he hasn't won a SB.

No offense but you really need help, friend.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

As others have said, Jalen Carter is a no brainer. And I like Stroud idea someone posted.

 

[kskboys]

The C+ was at worst and I would give him B over the last 20. He's downfall was the entire Garrett era. From OC to coach. Teams were loaded. None more loaded than 2011 and we didn't make the playoffs. Skill talent out the wahoo and pass rushers galore. A recipe for post season success. Thanks to Garrett and Rob Ryan not even a playoff appearance.

Even the great Jerry West made bad coaching decisions that cost his teams championships. Michael Jordan would have only 4 rings if West had a big time coach in 96-98. If West can make bad coaching decisions surely Jerry can too

So, let me get this straight. Jerry makes a horrible coaching hire and refuses to move on for 10 years which leads to almost no success, and you give him a B for that? Praytell how you figured this grade.

 

[Gameover]

No offense but you really need help, friend.

Cause I'm not a sheep?

A man who won't stand for nothing will fall for anything.

From 2014-2023...
Jerry had a winning pct. of 60%
Won 5 division titles
6 playoff appearances
drafted 15 Pro Bowlers
drafted 9 players who made the All Pro 1st or 2nd team
And he drafted 3 Rookie of the Year players(Zeke gets a piece in my book)

Looking at all that and I'm the one in need of help? N'all all y'all mislead sheep are the people who need help

In what universe is the above not upper echelon in the field of pro football. The media would lionize any other executive with that resume over that extended stretch

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Cause I'm not a sheep?

A man who won't stand for nothing will fall for anything.

From 2014-2023...
Jerry had a winning pct. of 60%
Won 5 division titles
6 playoff appearances
drafted 15 Pro Bowlers
drafted 9 players who made the All Pro 1st or 2nd team
And he drafted 3 Rookie of the Year players(Zeke gets a piece in my book)

Looking at all that and I'm the one in need of help? N'all all y'all mislead sheep are the people who need help

In what universe is the above not upper echelon in the field of pro football. The media would lionize any other executive with that resume over that extended stretch

I would say you are Jerry's sheep, tbh.

 

[Blast From The Past]

If you’re going to claim you know the whole story, you might not want to include the Chip Kelly years.

Kelly tried to bring the college approach in his first NFL gig just as Lou Holz before tried him and both failed. Lucky for Lurie he didn't just fire Roseman or simply let him leave. Was dumb of him to let an inexperienced college coach make personnel decisions. But I digest, the Eagals are the champions till someone knocks them off the perch. Go Cowboys!!!!!

 

[Gameover]

I would say you are Jerry's sheep, tbh.

Just stating the facts

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

A better twist to this is guessing who Stephen "Fredo" Jones would pick.

If you asked him to pick any 2 players from another team, Fredo would say

1- Micah Parsons
2- potato salad

Then he would forget what he was talking about, and stare at the wall for 3 hours with a dull uncomprehending look on his face.

 

[Risen Star]

Mahomes and Chris Jones for all our picks and Micah.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Just stating the facts

Indeed - verry selectively chosen facts.