Cooper vs Jones

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I am making the assumption that it is an either or with these two players and the money to keep either is about the same ball park.

Both are young, Cooper 25 and Jones 27, and in the prime of their careers. They both have size and speed for the position.

The positives far outweigh the negatives with both of these players; however, there is one advantage to Jones, this is a deep WR draft and that position is easier to fill in today's NFL passing league. It might take most of a season for a rook to get it but they do have Gallup and can keep Cobb.

The other lean toward Jones is that the D is mediocre and he's the most consistent player on it and just replacing him takes it back to where it was, it does not move it forward.

After careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that they must keep both because they each make the other better. The time to strike is in the next two seasons.

There used to be this 6 Cornerstones of building a team, which might have changed with the times but 2 of those cornerstones have not changed, WR1 and cover CB. In fact, both, along with QB, have only increased in importance as the league moved more towards a passing and higher scoring league.

If I have to choose, make mine Jones because this D needs to improve and that's much tougher having to replace the most consistent player on it. One thing to consider about this lack of interceptions with him, he was fine at that at UConn and had 2 in the 7 games he started as a senior at CB. And you should ask yourself "was the scheme he's been playing conducive to interceptions"?

The other issue is this draft is much deeper at WR than CB and they do have then option of moving Gallup to WR1 or at least letting him compete for that. You like the idea of Awuzie, Brown (also up) or Lewis or a rookie CB moving into that spot? I prefer the rookie and don't even know who he is.

I know, it's a lot of money but the time to keep the band together is now. The window is open and if I showed you the stats for this team, on O and D, and you didn't know the record, would you guess 8-8? I want to see what this new coaching staff can do with this team and both of these players are key elements to this team. Yes, it is giving too much to too few but they're already in that mode, might as well go all in.

This would also allow them to address the D and ST in the draft better and yes, ST. The reason they've been so poor on ST is because they populate it with players not good enough to be starters. And if memory serves, McC seemed a lot more of a each piece is 1/3 of the team than Garrett ever was.

OK what say you, pick one or let me have it on why they can't keep both.
 

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They can keep both.

But if you're only keeping 1, it's Cooper and it isn't even close.
Getting Dak done in next 30 days is really the key to having options
I agree if only one that one will be cooper
I’d like to keep both but that’s expensive
Getting Dak done gives them the option of using the tag on one or both
 

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If y'all are talking about giving other players raises Me-Dak will get mad and feel disrespected.............cut the whole team and give it all to Dak.......he can do it.
 

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Getting a little bored with this topic, I'll just say it one more time

One is a borderline #1 receiver, the other is a top 10-20 CB. The DB is more valuable.
 

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They can keep both.

But if you're only keeping 1, it's Cooper and it isn't even close.

LOL right. Not even close.

Who needs one of the better man to man corners in the league when you have bad hands, ghosting WRs like Cooper.
 

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The positives far outweigh the negatives with both of these players; however, there is one advantage to Jones, this is a deep WR draft and that position is easier to fill in today's NFL passing league. It might take most of a season for a rook to get it but they do have Gallup and can keep Cobb.
That isn't the right way to look at it. The draft is about building for the future, not just this year. There will always be WR and CB prospects in each draft. If you want to fill any position with a player that contribute immediately then you go the FA route.

But to get back to the point of the thread, I'm keeping Cooper over Jones.
 

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Getting a little bored with this topic, I'll just say it one more time

One is a borderline #1 receiver, the other is a top 10-20 CB. The DB is more valuable.

In Dallas we are always trying to recreate the 90s and we love to uses phrases like the triplets and then we cry about our defense all year and blame our franchise QBs lack of ability to carry the team on things like defense after we over pay them..

It’s just what we do here.

We didn’t learn our lesson after Romo’s contract and Daks contract will be no different.
 

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That isn't the right way to look at it. The draft is about building for the future, not just this year. There will always be WR and CB prospects in each draft. If you want to fill any position with a player that contribute immediately then you go the FA route.

But to get back to the point of the thread, I'm keeping Cooper over Jones.
I agree with you about building but is that this brain trust? They'll take a chance on Gregory, Smith and Hill but then turn around and act as if the window is closing with other players.

That mad scientist in NE is mad because of one thing. He has the formula and he updates it every year when the cap comes out but the %'s do not change. It separates him from the rest of the league in that he does not see the player, he sees the position and how much he has allocated to that specific position in order to balance his ledger. That's why Brady had to take less to stay, because that's all Belichick was going to pay, the same with trading his DE and LB, he was not going to pay what he knew they would get . Do you think he would have blinked with Lawrence? He didn't even tag Flowers who was at the same level as Lawrence. He would not be paying Donald, Lawrence, Mack, Miller what tyey are making, he would have replaced them but the one area he will budge on is in his secondary.

Everyone harps about it's all about the pass rush...except him. He knows the secret is in the coverage first, not second. He has the best CB tandem in the league for a reason, he's been trying to build that through the draft and had to go FA. He knows if his guys can confuse and cover in those first 2 seconds, his pass rush has a better chance. So he will pay Gilmore and let Flowers walk because he knows the value of a cover corner.
 

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This topic has come up before and the bottom line is Cooper is a playmaker and Jones isn’t. A corner who doesn’t get takeaways isn’t worth a lot of money. Jones has been a starter for 5 seasons at safety and corner and only has 2 ints. Unlikely he’ll be back next season.
 

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Cooper leads the league in drops , and has for several seasons .

Advantage: Jones
Jones is pretty good at drops too. That's why so many are willing to let him walk. They minimize his coverage and limiting YAC with good tackling. His consistency at the position is underappreciated here. Too many take isolated plays to judge players, good or bad.

If they'd address that S position better, maybe they'd see more risk taking for picks from their corners?
 

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Cooper leads the league in drops , and has for several seasons .

Advantage: Jones

Jones doesn’t exactly have sticky fingers, he has a number of drops himself. He’s had his hands on the ball a number of times and can’t come down with them which is why he only has two career INT’s. Jones has no advantage over Cooper. Coop is a playmaker who moves the chains and puts points on the board.
 

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I am making the assumption that it is an either or with these two players and the money to keep either is about the same ball park.

Both are young, Cooper 25 and Jones 27, and in the prime of their careers. They both have size and speed for the position.

The positives far outweigh the negatives with both of these players; however, there is one advantage to Jones, this is a deep WR draft and that position is easier to fill in today's NFL passing league. It might take most of a season for a rook to get it but they do have Gallup and can keep Cobb.

The other lean toward Jones is that the D is mediocre and he's the most consistent player on it and just replacing him takes it back to where it was, it does not move it forward.

After careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that they must keep both because they each make the other better. The time to strike is in the next two seasons.

There used to be this 6 Cornerstones of building a team, which might have changed with the times but 2 of those cornerstones have not changed, WR1 and cover CB. In fact, both, along with QB, have only increased in importance as the league moved more towards a passing and higher scoring league.

If I have to choose, make mine Jones because this D needs to improve and that's much tougher having to replace the most consistent player on it. One thing to consider about this lack of interceptions with him, he was fine at that at UConn and had 2 in the 7 games he started as a senior at CB. And you should ask yourself "was the scheme he's been playing conducive to interceptions"?

The other issue is this draft is much deeper at WR than CB and they do have then option of moving Gallup to WR1 or at least letting him compete for that. You like the idea of Awuzie, Brown (also up) or Lewis or a rookie CB moving into that spot? I prefer the rookie and don't even know who he is.

I know, it's a lot of money but the time to keep the band together is now. The window is open and if I showed you the stats for this team, on O and D, and you didn't know the record, would you guess 8-8? I want to see what this new coaching staff can do with this team and both of these players are key elements to this team. Yes, it is giving too much to too few but they're already in that mode, might as well go all in.

This would also allow them to address the D and ST in the draft better and yes, ST. The reason they've been so poor on ST is because they populate it with players not good enough to be starters. And if memory serves, McC seemed a lot more of a each piece is 1/3 of the team than Garrett ever was.

OK what say you, pick one or let me have it on why they can't keep both.

I think this whole Jones debate is overblown. He's really not that good as a CB. He doesnt get thrown to because of how the team played Awuzie. Keeping him off the ball and having him the last line of defense basically.

Jones was abused on anything inside. If a Wr could get him turned then it was reception. IMO the team had it right the first time in moving him to FS. He is very good with the play in front of him. He had his best season as a FS. Then these incompetent coaches turned him into a SS because Heath couldnt handle it.

This team would do itself alot of justice if they went to him with a new deal as the starting FS.
 

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That isn't the right way to look at it. The draft is about building for the future, not just this year. There will always be WR and CB prospects in each draft. If you want to fill any position with a player that contribute immediately then you go the FA route.

But to get back to the point of the thread, I'm keeping Cooper over Jones.

This.

Cooper has proven he can be a difference-maker. Jones has not.

Anyway, until FA begins, no one knows if Jones is affordable, or not. Maybe everyone else believes the price would be too high for a CB with no playmaking skills.

In the old offense, Cooper had proven he can change the outcome of a game. Let's see what he can do in MM's offense. Sign him first after Dak. Take a chance the market does not price the Cowboys out of contention for Jones, and Quinn, as well.
 
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