QB option no 2 could be Derek Carr

[Killerinstinct]

I made the case for Matthew Stafford as a possibility and if Det decides to go with Tua I believe it would be a great move to trade for Stafford but only a smart f.o. would make that move. Feels like a Patriots or Saints maneuver.

I would not cave to Dak. I would tag him with the non-exclusive tag and offer him 4 options.
1. sign the tag and play for 27 mil
2. Sign a long term deal at 30 mil per
3. Sign the tag and find a team willing to trade for you.
4. Don't sign the tag and play in the XFL

He would either realize that 30 mil per plus the endorsement opps that come with being the QB for Americas team is a pretty good life or feel disrespected and find a team willing to pay him what he wants and pony up the picks.

So what happens if he finds another team?

This is where QB option no 2 comes in. Derek Carr!

Why would the Raiders do it?
Brady to Raiders is one of the hottest rumors around.
Their f.o is infatuated with Brady
moving to Las Vegas and want to establish a fan base.

Why would Dallas do it?
gain 2 1st rd picks
get a franchise QB at about half the price.
3 years left on a very affordable contract.
Would be able to keep and sign plenty of F.A's.

Carr threw for over 4000 yards last year with a completion percentage over 70% and a very good td to interception ratio. Had inferior receivers. I would rank him a notch below Dak but at half price a better option.

 

[ShortRound]

You think you're getting 2 firsts for Dak? lol

 

[garyo1954]

You think you're getting 2 firsts for Dak? lol

Rules is rules...

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

So if the cap is $200 million we only have to offer $27 million. If he finds a team willing to pay more, we can match or pass and take the two picks.

 

[snapper]

Carr sucks. Stafford is too old.

Some of you may not like it, but Dak Prescott is a top 6-10 QB. Sometimes he played like a top three, other times he played like an 8-11. Point is: He will get paid by the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

You think you're getting 2 firsts for Dak? lol

You don't think a young, proven, durable, starting caliber QB would fetch 2 first rounders?
I do. I'm no Dak fan either.

 

[snapper]

Rules is rules...

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

So if the cap is $200 million we only have to offer $27 million. If he finds a team willing to pay more, we can match or pass and take the two picks.

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Il mio nome è Nessuno

 

[darthseinfeld]

Rules is rules...

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

So if the cap is $200 million we only have to offer $27 million. If he finds a team willing to pay more, we can match or pass and take the two picks.

Teams never sign the tagged players outright and give up the two picks. They negotiate a trade

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

1) Stafford.
2) Carr.
3) Willy Wonka.
4) Stewie Griffin f/ Family Guy.

 

[garyo1954]

Teams never sign the tagged players outright and give up the two picks. They negotiate a trade

By rule they are not required to negotiate. One instance is Sean Gilbert, and possibly the precedent...

"The Commanders made Gilbert their franchise player, but rather than sign the one-year $3.4 million tender offer, Gilbert sat out the 1997 season. After the 1997 season the Commanders again made Gilbert a franchise player, this time offering a one-year contract for $2.97 million (the average of the 5 highest paid DTs). Gilbert objected and asked for arbitration saying the Commanders did not have the right to place their franchise player tag on him for a second straight year.

On March 17, 1998, the NFLPA and the NFL had an all-day hearing to resolve the case.

"The Commanders received compensation of two first round draft picks from the Carolina Panthers for not matching the Panthers offer of 46.5 million dollars."

If the agent wants to play hardball, we play.

 

[Corso]

By rule they are not required to negotiate. One instance is Sean Gilbert, and possibly the precedent...

"The Commanders made Gilbert their franchise player, but rather than sign the one-year $3.4 million tender offer, Gilbert sat out the 1997 season. After the 1997 season the Commanders again made Gilbert a franchise player, this time offering a one-year contract for $2.97 million (the average of the 5 highest paid DTs). Gilbert objected and asked for arbitration saying the Commanders did not have the right to place their franchise player tag on him for a second straight year.

On March 17, 1998, the NFLPA and the NFL had an all-day hearing to resolve the case.

"The Commanders received compensation of two first round draft picks from the Carolina Panthers for not matching the Panthers offer of 46.5 million dollars."

If the agent wants to play hardball, we play.

Dang man... you had to go to all the way to 1998 for the one instance and was the Franchise Tag in existence then?

 

[Corso]

By rule they are not required to negotiate. One instance is Sean Gilbert, and possibly the precedent...

"The Commanders made Gilbert their franchise player, but rather than sign the one-year $3.4 million tender offer, Gilbert sat out the 1997 season. After the 1997 season the Commanders again made Gilbert a franchise player, this time offering a one-year contract for $2.97 million (the average of the 5 highest paid DTs). Gilbert objected and asked for arbitration saying the Commanders did not have the right to place their franchise player tag on him for a second straight year.

On March 17, 1998, the NFLPA and the NFL had an all-day hearing to resolve the case.

"The Commanders received compensation of two first round draft picks from the Carolina Panthers for not matching the Panthers offer of 46.5 million dollars."

If the agent wants to play hardball, we play.

And it's not if the agent wants to play, but if the other team wants to play. There's a difference.

 

[darthseinfeld]

By rule they are not required to negotiate. One instance is Sean Gilbert, and possibly the precedent...

"The Commanders made Gilbert their franchise player, but rather than sign the one-year $3.4 million tender offer, Gilbert sat out the 1997 season. After the 1997 season the Commanders again made Gilbert a franchise player, this time offering a one-year contract for $2.97 million (the average of the 5 highest paid DTs). Gilbert objected and asked for arbitration saying the Commanders did not have the right to place their franchise player tag on him for a second straight year.

On March 17, 1998, the NFLPA and the NFL had an all-day hearing to resolve the case.

"The Commanders received compensation of two first round draft picks from the Carolina Panthers for not matching the Panthers offer of 46.5 million dollars."

If the agent wants to play hardball, we play.

You dont have to negotiate, but thats what happens nowadays with tagged players. Its been a very long time since someone signed a franchise tagged player instead of negotiating a trade

 

[Kevinicus]

By rule they are not required to negotiate. One instance is Sean Gilbert, and possibly the precedent...

"The Commanders made Gilbert their franchise player, but rather than sign the one-year $3.4 million tender offer, Gilbert sat out the 1997 season. After the 1997 season the Commanders again made Gilbert a franchise player, this time offering a one-year contract for $2.97 million (the average of the 5 highest paid DTs). Gilbert objected and asked for arbitration saying the Commanders did not have the right to place their franchise player tag on him for a second straight year.

On March 17, 1998, the NFLPA and the NFL had an all-day hearing to resolve the case.

"The Commanders received compensation of two first round draft picks from the Carolina Panthers for not matching the Panthers offer of 46.5 million dollars."

If the agent wants to play hardball, we play.

Teams won't want to give up 2 firsts, so they won't sign him to a contract without first negotiating a lesser trade price.

 

[cowboy_ron]

I made the case for Matthew Stafford as a possibility and if Det decides to go with Tua I believe it would be a great move to trade for Stafford but only a smart f.o. would make that move. Feels like a Patriots or Saints maneuver.

I would not cave to Dak. I would tag him with the non-exclusive tag and offer him 4 options.
1. sign the tag and play for 27 mil
2. Sign a long term deal at 30 mil per
3. Sign the tag and find a team willing to trade for you.
4. Don't sign the tag and play in the XFL

He would either realize that 30 mil per plus the endorsement opps that come with being the QB for Americas team is a pretty good life or feel disrespected and find a team willing to pay him what he wants and pony up the picks.

So what happens if he finds another team?

This is where QB option no 2 comes in. Derek Carr!

Why would the Raiders do it?
Brady to Raiders is one of the hottest rumors around.
Their f.o is infatuated with Brady
moving to Las Vegas and want to establish a fan base.

Why would Dallas do it?
gain 2 1st rd picks
get a franchise QB at about half the price.
3 years left on a very affordable contract.
Would be able to keep and sign plenty of F.A's.

Carr threw for over 4000 yards last year with a completion percentage over 70% and a very good td to interception ratio. Had inferior receivers. I would rank him a notch below Dak but at half price a better option.

If they could get 2 firsts for Dak they would do it in a heartbeat.......I'm sure they're getting pretty tired of him being overly greedy as well.......as much as I've backed Dak I certainly didn't see this coming.

 

[big dog cowboy]

 

[garyo1954]

Yall are missing the point. You're making good points, but the rule is there for a reason. (What teams do has no bearing on what the rules are)

We could still insist on the 2 #1s, and I think you're right, no one is willing to give that up for Dak Prescott.

Of course, I could be wrong and there is a team stupid enough to pay Dak and offer 2 #1s.

I'll take that chance.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Derek Carr? You're drunk.

 

[garyo1954]

Dang man... you had to go to all the way to 1998 for the one instance and was the Franchise Tag in existence then?

Corso, it was the first I found. Here's is a list at Wiki, starts at 2007, ain't no way I'm going through all those names to see how it worked out......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

 

[MojaveJT]

You think you're getting 2 firsts for Dak? lol

If Dak is as good as some here claim to be then 2 firsts is what we should be able to get somewhat easily. Funny how there are crickets after that...

 

[Corso]

Corso, it was the first I found. Here's is a list at Wiki, starts at 2007, ain't no way I'm going through all those names to see how it worked out......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

I don't blame you. I wouldn't either.