What is the max amount you can pay a QB and still win a SB

[ondaedg]

"In 2017 , Gisele made more than 17.5 million dollars. In 2016, Gisele earned a total of 30.5 million dollars. Forbes magazine reported that Gisele’s salary in 2018 was 10 million dollars. At the height of her fame as a model, Gisele earned 44 million dollars from 2014 to 2015."

She is not even close to Dak's 40M yearly salary .
She made 44M once , and doesn't average 40M per year.

Dak's 40M? Pure fiction.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Sounds great to us Cowboy fans

I can see that point went right over your head. It's ok, you tried though.

 

[black label]

dont pay groiund ball dak and cap will be fine

 

[JoeKing]

Totally agree on that but squandering high Dline picks is not maintaining its killing us . Our washed up Dline coach who is history now cant get along with Taco so we let him go to Miami to have as many sacks as our Star player Randy Gregory Tristen Hill Sheesh are we using the magic 8 ball to pick these guys

I agree with you about our former Dline coach and Taco but at this point, it's spilled milk. Hell yes, we should learn from that situation so let's not repeat it with T. Hill.

 

[Blackrain]

I agree with you about our former Dline coach and Taco but at this point, it's spilled milk. Hell yes, we should learn from that situation so let's not repeat it with T. Hill.

I am in hopes we start learning as our defense has been what lets us down when we do make the playoffs and I cant help but think if we could draft Dline like we drafted Oline this would not happen

Not sure exactly who was to blame but we have had too many busts on defense . When you use high draft picks these guys need to at least be able to contribute and are expected to be an 8-10 yr starter . Its like we are the poster child team for the mentally weak . Who interviews these guys before we draft them . We have been in desperate need of a dominant Dlineman for a very long time . Lilly, Manster , Haley , HOF guys that contributed to SBs . I dont think you win one without one of these type guys and they are not cheap .

So back to my original point what can you afford to pay a QB ,any QB not just Dak and have enough to pay one of these essential players

 

[Pompey-Cowboy]

There is no equation for this. There are 53 players and all the coaching staff that effect every game.

 

[JoeKing]

I am in hopes we start learning as our defense has been what lets us down when we do make the playoffs and I cant help but think if we could draft Dline like we drafted Oline this would not happen

Not sure exactly who was to blame but we have had too many busts on defense . When you use high draft picks these guys need to at least be able to contribute and are expected to be an 8-10 yr starter . Its like we are the poster child team for the mentally weak . Who interviews these guys before we draft them . We have been in desperate need of a dominant Dlineman for a very long time . Lilly, Manster , Haley , HOF guys that contributed to SBs . I dont think you win one without one of these type guys and they are not cheap .

So back to my original point what can you afford to pay a QB ,any QB not just Dak and have enough to pay one of these essential players

To be clear, it is a team sport. It takes more than a Bob Lilly or Randy White to get to a Super Bowl. Let's not forget those players co-existed with Staubach and Hayes.

Dak is not asking for too much money. Look at what other QBs are making with a similar career passer rating. $35-38M is the going rate. It's the cost of business that the team must absorb to progress. There is no reason that cost should prevent the Cowboys from getting their next great defensive player. That is an irrational fear that happens when you do not understand how good our cap space situation is. The answer to your original question is not relevant to the Cowboys. It suggests paying Dak is crossing the Rubicon, the point of no return.

 

[Blackrain]

To be clear, it is a team sport. It takes more than a Bob Lilly or Randy White to get to a Super Bowl. Let's not forget those players co-existed with Staubach and Hayes.

Dak is not asking for too much money. Look at what other QBs are making with a similar career passer rating. $35-38M is the going rate. It's the cost of business that the team must absorb to progress. There is no reason that cost should prevent the Cowboys from getting their next great defensive player. That is an irrational fear that happens when you do not understand how good our cap space situation is. The answer to your original question is not relevant to the Cowboys. It suggests paying Dak is crossing the Rubicon, the point of no return.

I didnt say Dak was asking for too much all QBs ask for what the market will tolerate and they all get paid what I have noticed is after that happens those teams have a difficult time winning a SB so my question

What is irrational is spending top money on the Oline and doing a great job assembling it only to completely drop the ball when assembling the Dline Dope Heads , Mentally weak guys and a washed up Dline coach that makes us squander a top pick .

Lets be clear Im not saying what ever they pay Dak is going to stop us from getting our next great defensive player anymore than the fact we have not been able to draft great players . I am saying a guy that costs 650k to play QB is an incredible bargain that should afford you the luxury to stack your roster with talent and IF COACHED PROPERLY contend and win a SB If suddenly the price goes to even 30 mil can you still fill your roster with the same amount of talent to make you competitive or dose it change things .

Yes they co- existed and complimented each other, Troy had Charles Haley on the other side of the ball to help his cause . What have we given Dak The freakin Hot Boyz please they might as well be the piss boys compared to Doomsday .
Since you understand the cap can we pay Zeke ,Dak , Amari, Byron, and all the rest while adding some FAs like we did Haley and Sanders to get us over the top .
While you at it do we have enough to fix special teams . Do we depend on Kai Forbath and blow another season with the most missed FGs

 

[Captain-Crash]

what has been the highest percentage that a team has paid their quarterback and won the super bowl?
example 20 percent of the team's salary cap. just curious.

 

[kskboys]

I didnt say Dak was asking for too much all QBs ask for what the market will tolerate and they all get paid what I have noticed is after that happens those teams have a difficult time winning a SB so my question

What is irrational is spending top money on the Oline and doing a great job assembling it only to completely drop the ball when assembling the Dline Dope Heads , Mentally weak guys and a washed up Dline coach that makes us squander a top pick .

Lets be clear Im not saying what ever they pay Dak is going to stop us from getting our next great defensive player anymore than the fact we have not been able to draft great players . I am saying a guy that costs 650k to play QB is an incredible bargain that should afford you the luxury to stack your roster with talent and IF COACHED PROPERLY contend and win a SB If suddenly the price goes to even 30 mil can you still fill your roster with the same amount of talent to make you competitive or dose it change things .

Yes they co- existed and complimented each other, Troy had Charles Haley on the other side of the ball to help his cause . What have we given Dak The freakin Hot Boyz please they might as well be the piss boys compared to Doomsday .
Since you understand the cap can we pay Zeke ,Dak , Amari, Byron, and all the rest while adding some FAs like we did Haley and Sanders to get us over the top .
While you at it do we have enough to fix special teams . Do we depend on Kai Forbath and blow another season with the most missed FGs

Nicely done.

Overpaying any position keeps you from achieving. Actually just simple logic.

 

[Diehardblues]

I can see that point went right over your head. It's ok, you tried though.

No, you just didn’t like my answer. I redirected the question

 

[JoeKing]

I didnt say Dak was asking for too much all QBs ask for what the market will tolerate and they all get paid what I have noticed is after that happens those teams have a difficult time winning a SB so my question

What is irrational is spending top money on the Oline and doing a great job assembling it only to completely drop the ball when assembling the Dline Dope Heads , Mentally weak guys and a washed up Dline coach that makes us squander a top pick .

Lets be clear Im not saying what ever they pay Dak is going to stop us from getting our next great defensive player anymore than the fact we have not been able to draft great players . I am saying a guy that costs 650k to play QB is an incredible bargain that should afford you the luxury to stack your roster with talent and IF COACHED PROPERLY contend and win a SB If suddenly the price goes to even 30 mil can you still fill your roster with the same amount of talent to make you competitive or dose it change things .

Yes they co- existed and complimented each other, Troy had Charles Haley on the other side of the ball to help his cause . What have we given Dak The freakin Hot Boyz please they might as well be the piss boys compared to Doomsday .
Since you understand the cap can we pay Zeke ,Dak , Amari, Byron, and all the rest while adding some FAs like we did Haley and Sanders to get us over the top .
While you at it do we have enough to fix special teams . Do we depend on Kai Forbath and blow another season with the most missed FGs

You've done an admirable job of making your opinion known. I disagree with it but thanks. Jerry Jones is committed to retaining the services of Dakota Prescott. Dak will get paid slightly above the current market value because the value will decrease as the contract matures. This will have no effect on who the Cowboys sign in the future. The Cowboys have done an excellent job of managing their cap space. This will pay off this offseason by afforded them the ability to acquire all the talent they need.

The sins of the past were committed by the old coaching regime. Let go of the resentment you hold for those mistakes and understand we have a new regime in place that deserves a clean slate. Give them a chance to fix the defense that so badly needs fixing. Give them a chance to fix the special teams that have been so pitiful recently. Our offense will benefit greatly with those fixes in place.

 

[Diehardblues]

what has been the highest percentage that a team has paid their quarterback and won the super bowl?
example 20 percent of the team's salary cap. just curious.

Paying your QB a high salary isn’t the issue. Over paying an average QB is.

The OP in this thread would rather have Dak than Rodgers. It’s senseless trying to reason.

 

[Diehardblues]

You've done an admirable job of making your opinion known. I disagree with it but thanks. Jerry Jones is committed to retaining the services of Dakota Prescott. Dak will get paid slightly above the current market value because the value will decrease as the contract matures. This will have no effect on who the Cowboys sign in the future. The Cowboys have done an excellent job of managing their cap space. This will pay off this offseason by afforded them the ability to acquire all the talent they need.

The sins of the past were committed by the old coaching regime. Let go of the resentment you hold for those mistakes and understand we have a new regime in place that deserves a clean slate. Give them a chance to fix the defense that so badly needs fixing. Give them a chance to fix the special teams that have been so pitiful recently. Our offense will benefit greatly with those fixes in place.

In other words , we’re just better coaching away?

 

[JoeKing]

In other words , we’re just better coaching away?

I spoke with clear English. It needs no translation and I don't need you putting words in my mouth. The D has to get better, the ST has to get better. The team can afford to get all this done. And yes, coaching matters. Give the new coaching staff a chance.

 

[Diehardblues]

I spoke with clear English. It needs no translation and I don't need you putting words in my mouth. The D has to get better, the ST has to get better. The team can afford to get all this done. And yes, coaching matters. Give the new coaching staff a chance.

That’s how it came off to me. Just about the coaching.

 

[JoeKing]

That’s how it came off to me. I saw no mention of adding additional talent. Just about the coaching.

Then you need to read slower so you can comprehend every word. Acquiring all the talent they need was clearly in my post.

 

[doomsday9084]

what has been the highest percentage that a team has paid their quarterback and won the super bowl?
example 20 percent of the team's salary cap. just curious.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/af283d/percentage_of_salary_cap_taken_up_by_super_bowl/

In year 1 of the cap, Young was taking 13.1% of it in 1994. Since then, the highest is 11.7%. The AVERAGE is 6.7% because most of these guys were on their rookie deals or just journeymen.

Its absolutely mind numbing that NFL teams think they can beat this trend. I have no clue why the market for QB's is so absurd. My elite QB making $5m is always going to beat your elite QB making $35m. The amount of talent you can get for that extra $30m is ridiculous. You are talking about multiple all pro's at that point.

I'm kind of resigned to Dak getting a stupid contract at this point. I just hope its structured so that the first few years are a low cap hit. Based on the above, Dak's first 2-3 years would have to be 11% of the cap or less.

 

[Blackrain]

You've done an admirable job of making your opinion known. I disagree with it but thanks. Jerry Jones is committed to retaining the services of Dakota Prescott. Dak will get paid slightly above the current market value because the value will decrease as the contract matures. This will have no effect on who the Cowboys sign in the future. The Cowboys have done an excellent job of managing their cap space. This will pay off this offseason by afforded them the ability to acquire all the talent they need.

The sins of the past were committed by the old coaching regime. Let go of the resentment you hold for those mistakes and understand we have a new regime in place that deserves a clean slate. Give them a chance to fix the defense that so badly needs fixing. Give them a chance to fix the special teams that have been so pitiful recently. Our offense will benefit greatly with those fixes in place.

I totally support Dak and have no problem with him getting paid ITS HIS TIME. He paid his dues and has given us extremely good value durability and leadership . I am totally excited about finally having a real NFL coaching staff .

My beef is why did it take so long for Jerry to put some value on coaching and make Dak and many of our other good players waste 4 yrs under mediocre coaching . Other franchises that have a GMs that run things like a business make a push to get to a SB while their young players are working for reasonable numbers . That means assembling an elite coaching staff first not making a project out of your pet cat and wasting a bunch of good players careers in the process
Its not just Dak we have to pay but his salary is the one with the biggest increase so it gets the most attention . What about the other players we have to sign or lose talent .

Am I the only one who finds it hard to believe if we sign all our guys it will have no effect on who we sign in the future ??

 

[Blackrain]

Paying your QB a high salary isn’t the issue. Over paying an average QB is.

The OP in this thread would rather have Dak than Rodgers. It’s senseless trying to reason.

Yes it is because in Daks era I would take him at 26 yrs old at 650k with an Elite coaching staff over Rodgers with the same staff at 33 million because its a team game and I could put more players around Dak and win a Championship . Rodgers as great as he is has not been able to elevate his team enough in the Dak era to get a ring why not .