Cowboys blew their best window to win with Sensational Rookies

[Diehardblues]

I don't think you're wrong. I do, however, think that these "big" contracts won't look anything like the ones that will be given out after the next CBA. I think these percentages will drop drastically. So, it may not be as much of a hamper as it could be.

I'm much higher on Dak than you are, but I'm against one guy getting a massive percentage of the salary cap unless they can truly do it without people around them. Those QB's just don't exist in my opinion.

I’ve actually argued in favor of retaining Elite QB’s but there’s strong evidence that once we pay them chances of going to a Super Bowl drastically decreases.

And why I’m beginning to believe unless you’ve won a championship while on their Rookie contract( which even that is arguable) then there’s little evidence to support your chances increase after paying them. And that even applies to HOF caliber QB’s.

This QB contract issue is a huge detriment to maintaining a championship caliber team in Salary Cap era. It’s basically a Stamp of Doom to win a championship once you pay your QB despite how logical it appears and keeps you in contention.

 

[visionary]

We all knew while under their Rookie contracts was the best window to win with Dak and Zeke.

As we’ve discussed in other threads once you pay your QB it lessens the opportunity to win a championship as best chance is under their Rookie contract because of the ability to surround them with a stronger supporting cast.

If you strongly believe in this then I don’t see the argument in wanting to sign Dak to a contract that’s going to lessen our chances to win a championship.

We should be looking for the next best Rookie QB we can land so we can continue providing the type of supporting cast we’ve had while possibly attempting to upgrade some of its weaknesses.

And if we miss on our next Rookie QB then it will place us in a higher draft slot the next time.

It’s not like we are leaving championships behind us. We’ve missed the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons. I’m not sure the attachment considering how paying him will lessen our chances moving forward. I’m only left with some kind of emotional attachment not what’s best for Cowboys Football.

I think the lesson to learn from this his is that fans like you who continued to support trash Garrett during those years allowing Jerry to keep his puppet and waste those years should be made to publicly apologize to real Cowboys fans who understood this many years ago and wanted that piece of garbage gone

I’ll wait for your thread of public apology

 

[Diehardblues]

I somewhat agree. The defense didn't make enough of an impact. We have 0 playmakers on the defensive side of the ball.

And if we continue putting the bulk of our cap on offense going to be difficult to bolster the defense unless we hit it big in draft which defensively we’ve missed more than hitting.

No, if this QB and offense can’t carry us with the investment we are making with it then we are screwed.

 

[aria]

Lol, I love almost every other year we have the best “talent” in the league and didn’t win the Super Bowl because of coaching. Some people forget there are 31 other teams in the league. We lost in 2016 due to a last second play that one of the best QB’s in the history of the game drew up on his hand in the huddle (not even a play called in by our new coach) and made in incredible pass. A follow up 55? yard FG ended the game.

We for shut down in 2018 by a team that made it to the Super Bowl.

I’d hardly say their careers were “wasted”. What a joke. One fumble, one int, one missed FG changes the outcomes of several teams who have a lot of “talent”. We’re no different.

 

[Diehardblues]

I think the to learn from this his is that fans like you who continued to support trash Garrett during those years allowing Jerry to keep his puppet and waste those years should be made to publicly apologize to real Cowboys fans who understood this many years ago and wanted that piece of garbage gone

I’ll wait for your thread of public apology

We should apologize for the last 25 years.

My support of Garrett didn’t revolve around his coaching ability. Only his ability to influence better personnel decisions including drafts and the ability to steer through all of the distractions our dysfunctional ownership and organization presented assuming Jerry would stay the course he’d followed for most of this generation with puppet coaching.

I’d always maintained I’d of fired Garrett if I believed Jerry would pursue a better HC and get out of the way.

And the biggest piece of garbage is still here.

 

[Diehardblues]

Lol, I love almost every other year we have the best “talent” in the league and didn’t win the Super Bowl because of coaching. Some people forget there are 31 other teams in the league. We lost in 2016 due to a last second play that one of the best QB’s in the history of the game drew up on his hand in the huddle (not even a play called in by our new coach) and made in incredible pass. A follow up 55? yard FG ended the game.

We for shut down in 2018 by a team that made it to the Super Bowl.

I’d hardly say their careers were “wasted”. What a joke. One fumble, one int, one missed FG changes the outcomes of several teams who have a lot of “talent”. We’re no different.

I agree that their careers weren’t wasted. But the fact remains our franchise blew the best window of opportunity to win a championship while they were on their Rookie contracts. That’s not on the talent.

It’s on our ownership and MGMT.

 

[Diehardblues]

The best aspect of this new coaching hire is we can no longer use our coaching staff as a scapegoat or excuse.

We now will have to solely blame our talent and lack Therof.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yep, and its because Jones didnt fire the horrid Garrett a long time ago. This is old news.

No doubt that was a huge blunder of Jerry’s. He’s made selfish egotistical coaching decisions for most of the last couple decades plus.

Unfortunately moving forward recent history in this Cap era would support its more difficult winning a championship once the QB is paid.

I’m not sure why we believe our situation will be different?

 

[GMO415]

Spilt milk

 

[Diehardblues]

It would appear to me with a new proven HC our chances of winning a Super Bowl would increase with a new highly drafted Rookie we don’t have to pay for 4 or 5 years being able to continue the Elite supporting cast while attempting to upgrade the defense.

The odds in NFL recent history certainly support this method to winning championships instead of trying to pay a QB then surround him with enough support.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Tony Pollard proved how it was a mistake not accepting the 5th year rookie option on Zeke. Then paying Zeke $15 million per year was crazy. That was mistake #1.

Paying D-Law as the highest paid 4-3 DE in the league was mistake #2.

You always pay your franchise QB. Happened that way with Troy and Romo. No different here with Dak. You have to pay him since he's your franchise QB who has proven himself.

Is there a Franchise QB in the house baby?

Don't think so and it seems Jerry and son agree as no Franchise contract till today!

 

[aria]

I agree that their careers weren’t wasted. But the fact remains our franchise blew the best window of opportunity to win a championship while they were on their Rookie contracts. That’s not on the talent.

It’s on our ownership and MGMT.

I somewhat agree, I think ownership should have done more in FA while we had those guys on rookie contracts but in that same sense I think a good portion of our “talent” was over rated.

As far as the Rams game goes, our O line (specifically) and Zeke didn’t show up to play. They looked like crap and got blown off the line, that’s on the “talent”.

I’m not one of the fans that believes it’s the coaches job to motivate the players, especially for a playoff game. If a professional athlete, or any competitive person (especially in a contact sport) needs outside motivation then I seriously question their will to win.

 

[JoeKing]

Is there a Franchise QB in the house baby?

Don't think so and it seems Jerry and son agree as no Franchise contract till today!

When Dak gets tagged, It's not like you'll shut up about it. You'll just reveal your own inconsistency in message.

 

[viman96]

Tony Pollard proved how it was a mistake not accepting the 5th year rookie option on Zeke. Then paying Zeke $15 million per year was crazy. That was mistake #1.

Paying D-Law as the highest paid 4-3 DE in the league was mistake #2.

You always pay your franchise QB. Happened that way with Troy and Romo. No different here with Dak. You have to pay him since he's your franchise QB who has proven himself.

Jerry and Stephen offered a contract(s) that Dak and his agent refused. Both sides need to agree and right now all we know are the media reported dollars offered and media reported dollars Dak is looking for. Which means we know nothing.

 

[G2]

I agree that their careers weren’t wasted. But the fact remains our franchise blew the best window of opportunity to win a championship while they were on their Rookie contracts. That’s not on the talent.

It’s on our ownership and MGMT.

You don't know that.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Lol, I love almost every other year we have the best “talent” in the league and didn’t win the Super Bowl because of coaching. Some people forget there are 31 other teams in the league. We lost in 2016 due to a last second play that one of the best QB’s in the history of the game drew up on his hand in the huddle (not even a play called in by our new coach) and made in incredible pass. A follow up 55? yard FG ended the game.

We for shut down in 2018 by a team that made it to the Super Bowl.

I’d hardly say their careers were “wasted”. What a joke. One fumble, one int, one missed FG changes the outcomes of several teams who have a lot of “talent”. We’re no different.

What's it called when you cook a stake and don't eat it? --JK.

 

[aikemirv]

Obviously '16 was a blown chance. Jerry should have made more investment in the secondary that year. It was one of those things where "happy with our guys" cost us.

18 was also blown and that was pure coaching IMO.

 

[kskboys]

We all knew while under their Rookie contracts was the best window to win with Dak and Zeke.

As we’ve discussed in other threads once you pay your QB it lessens the opportunity to win a championship as best chance is under their Rookie contract because of the ability to surround them with a stronger supporting cast.

If you strongly believe in this then I don’t see the argument in wanting to sign Dak to a contract that’s going to lessen our chances to win a championship.

We should be looking for the next best Rookie QB we can land so we can continue providing the type of supporting cast we’ve had while possibly attempting to upgrade some of its weaknesses.

And if we miss on our next Rookie QB then it will place us in a higher draft slot the next time.

It’s not like we are leaving championships behind us. We’ve missed the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons. I’m not sure the attachment considering how paying him will lessen our chances moving forward. I’m only left with some kind of emotional attachment not what’s best for Cowboys Football.

No win decision coming up.

Problem is, we need a GM who looks at the long game, what we'll be 5 years from now. Since our GM has never done that, don't see him doing it now.

I guess(I'm really guessing, yes) our best shot is simply to franchise Dak and pray we get lucky in the draft.

 

[kskboys]

What's it called when you cook a stake and don't eat it? --JK.

Do you use the stake on a vampire before you attempt the cooking and eating thereof?

 

[kskboys]

Can’t blame him when he doesn’t run the team. Jerry should’ve fired him and shouldn’t have hired him. I can’t get mad a employee that’s not doing his job but is not getting fired

Couldn't agree more. JG was terrible at his job, but was paid millions to stay. That is quite simply not on JG, it's on Jerry.