There are going to be a couple dozen good DTs this FA

[Hawkeye0202]

Trenches win you Super Bowls, not Corners. I'm super cool with a safety tho

This is true but CBs are expensive. That 5 years of cheap pay at a premium position and as many FA DTs out there, it just makes sense. I'm not saying I would draft a DT but not high.

 

[ultron]

A change in the coaching staff will probably also come with a change in philosophy regarding DT and Safety talent. I expect the Cowboys to make major upgrades to these 2 positions.

 

[gjkoeppen]

There will be ample opportunity for Dallas to turn DT into a strength from a weakness.
No reason not to sign a couple of decently - but not ridiculously - priced players at the position.
Hmm, Shelton, Brockers, Suh, McCoy, Pierce from Baltimore, Billings, Snacks, Robinson, ect.

Some here think that after getting Prescott, Cooper and maybe Jones or Quinn that there going to be so much cap space left to go shopping in free agency when there probably not going to be enough to get Prescott , Cooper and either or Jones or Quinn. Oh let me guess you're going to say renegotiate some contracts and start that vicious cycle all over again after Stephen took 3 or 4 years to break that cycle so they have the 73 mil cap space they have today.
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[Hawkeye0202]

McCoy should 32 years of age, . ...Suh and Snack are facing the same age factor too at this stage of their careers,- these guys are clearly temporarily stop gaps, one year type band-aids.
I would not think these older ones would still be pricey.

the more younger 1 techs like Pierce and CJ Reader are more likely to be the more pricer markets.

I dunno what Andrew Billing's market value is ... but I don't recall hearing it's as higher regarded or in the range as Reader, Pierce will be.

Actually don't be surprised if Suh resigns with the Bucs. Arian is on record that he wants him back, just not sure about the price.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Trenches win you Super Bowls, not Corners. I'm super cool with a safety tho

If you don't have corners that can cover or jam for 3 step drops then you are going to have to score 40 to compete. Replacement level at corner will get you beat.

If a corner has ball skills and can get you picks then that correlates to wins. That is worth a premium.

Good zone corners are game changers because they do both.

 

[quickccc]

Just my take but I'm keeping an eye on how the new coaching staff treats the LBer position. Remember our new DC promises to run a hybrid 4-3/3-4. The LBer position that was an absolute strength in 2018 has major question marks. Although Jaylon made a ton of tackles, something was missing. I'm not trusting LVE to stay healthy UNTIL he proves his neck issue is behind him. Thomas is a FA and Lee has one foot in and one out. Not saying I'd use 17 but certainly 2nd or 3rd.

unless there are behind the scenes panic about LVE's health, we're not drafting a LB that early rounds.
only dynamics that could change that course is somehow a medical risk high regarded blue chipper ( ala Jaylon like situation) slipping that far down into 2nd or 3
and it's in according to our draft board.

but if LVE and Jaylon are still considered locks for the future with any medical concerns, I think any movement (FA or draft) towards LB situation would be more directed towards better depth
or replacing Lee as SLB altogether.
i'd really like to draft an younger heir apparent to Lee in mid rounds or free agency this year. Dunno how Luke Gifford status gonna work out nor Joe Thomas' future status, but we really do need
quality LB depth.

 

[quickccc]

Actually don't be surprised if Suh resigns with the Bucs. Arian is on record that he wants him back, just not sure about the price.

i'd prefer a younger, long term stud at one tech,... and it's even much harder and brutal trying to find that young gem at 3 tech,
.. and only reason why I'd consider the 30+ age guys like Snack, is it's gonna be difficult trying to properly fill so many dire needs and positions in just one offseason.
We may need a couple or so suitable stopgap types for at least another year.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

unless there are behind the scenes panic about LVE's health, we're not drafting a LB that early rounds.
only dynamics that could change that course is somehow a medical risk high regarded blue chipper ( ala Jaylon like situation) slipping that far down into 2nd or 3
and it's in according to our draft board.

but if LVE and Jaylon are still considered locks for the future with any medical concerns, I think any movement (FA or draft) towards LB situation would be more directed towards better depth
or replacing Lee as SLB altogether.
i'd really like to draft an younger heir apparent to Lee in mid rounds or free agency this year. Dunno how Luke Gifford status gonna work out nor Joe Thomas' future status, but we really do need
quality LB depth.

Exactly why I'm keeping an eye on the position. As of now, we don't know what MM 2-3 year plan for the D. It could be he planning to switch to 3-4 by year 2 or 3. Couldn't do this year coz of personnel but will run some hybrid 3-4. For me, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger for a 2nd or 3rd round stud.

 

[ESisback]

Absolutely not. Too high priced. Dallas is continuing on moving forward by drafting young legs for defensive positions.

Pick up Billings or Shelton, and then a FA QB, then draft DT, CB, TE, QB, DT, DE, S.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

i'd prefer a younger, long term stud at one tech,... and it's even much harder and brutal trying to find that young gem at 3 tech,
.. and only reason why I'd consider the 30+ age guys like Snack, is it's gonna be difficult trying to properly fill so many dire needs and positions in just one offseason.
We may need a couple or so suitable stopgap types for at least another year.

That's exactly why I'd prefer just go with one of the cheap vets where you can look at his career and KNOW what you're getting. Young guys are still looking for that big payday which leads to worrying their numbers ( sacks ). Let's face it, you looking for a guy to do a lot of dirty work that has nothing to do with sacks.

 

[quickccc]

That's exactly why I'd prefer just go with one of the cheap vets where you can look at his career and KNOW what you're getting. Young guys are still looking for that big payday which leads to worrying their numbers ( sacks ). Let's face it, you looking for a guy to do a lot of dirty work that has nothing to do with sacks.

- but those young ones (vet FA) the younger guys will cost more because of their in-prime ability, they are usually the better players, the more regarded, the bigger impact players - more in their prime, and most importantly you can invest in them for more future years to come.

.. while the older 31+ age guys could be on their last one or two twilight years of their career. Its a reason why they would be more on one year type deals at this point.
of course I'm talking exclusively about the vet DT group in FA.

the problem is we dunno if will we even have a crack at the younger guys in the draft, as the few ones they'd really want, could be gone so fast off of the board... plus if you get the
younger vet DT in FA, (assuming its the more choice of 1 tech as you won't get a young top, 3 tech DT gem in FA) that helps ease the task of drafting a top 1 tech draftee early on.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Some here think that after getting Prescott, Cooper and maybe Jones or Quinn that there going to be so much cap space left to go shopping in free agency when there probably not going to be enough to get Prescott , Cooper and either or Jones or Quinn. Oh let me guess you're going to say renegotiate some contracts and start that vicious cycle all over again after Stephen took 3 or 4 years to break that cycle so they have the 73 mil cap space they have today.
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I'm not convinced that signing Cooper to such a big deal is a good idea, to be honest.
For a guy that has shown big flashes at home, he sure disappears on the road.
Not to mention talks of him fetching 20 million/yr on the open market.
I feel the same about Jones. Good player, going to be too expensive.
Rather sign Dak, bring back Cobb. Try for Quinn, but if not, there should be some fairly productive alternatives available.
DT and Safety have been major weaknesses since the dynasty teams.
Good DTs (not necessarily all pros, but productive) can be found without wrecking the cap.
Same for safety if you look at the second tier of guys.

Fyi, you can save a good chunk of cap by releasing Crawford.

 

[JoeKing]

You could add a quality vet or two on short deals, still.

We don't even have enough bodies to even rotate at the moment.

I bet Jerry keeps Maliek Collins. But I guess going your route to get another DT would be okay as well.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

What about developing Tristen Hill and not using up our best round picks on DT. I'd rather have a S or a CB that can intercept passes.

Agree, let's not forget the D backfield.

 

[Risen Star]

What we need are more quick twitch rushmen.

 

[Risen Star]

There will be ample opportunity for Dallas to turn DT into a strength from a weakness.
No reason not to sign a couple of decently - but not ridiculously - priced players at the position.
Hmm, Shelton, Brockers, Suh, McCoy, Pierce from Baltimore, Billings, Snacks, Robinson, ect.

In order to turn it into a strength they'd need to do something significant.

 

[Verdict]

Absolutely not. Too high priced. Dallas is continuing on moving forward by drafting young legs for defensive positions.

That’s better cap wise, and longer term but maybe not shorter term. Anyone know how the DT talent may fall in terms of BPA?

 

[Verdict]

Some here think that after getting Prescott, Cooper and maybe Jones or Quinn that there going to be so much cap space left to go shopping in free agency when there probably not going to be enough to get Prescott , Cooper and either or Jones or Quinn. Oh let me guess you're going to say renegotiate some contracts and start that vicious cycle all over again after Stephen took 3 or 4 years to break that cycle so they have the 73 mil cap space they have today.
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Spot on.

 

[Verdict]

What we need are more quick twitch rushmen.

You had to stab and twist the blade, huh? Lol

 

[Verdict]

I bet Jerry keeps Maliek Collins. But I guess going your route to get another DT would be okay as well.

Collins should be cheap.