News: DC: Not Much Buzz Around Maliek Collins

[quickccc]

He was a 4th round pick. No one but CZ ever saw him as some "freakish athlete" with "huge potential".

I think you may have Maliek draft round status (3rd rd) confused with DE Charles Tapper who was picked in the 4th rd. - and he was picked even before Dak who was the other, later 4th rd pick we had.

 

[cern]

I think you may have Maliek draft round status (3rd rd) confused with DE Charles Tapper who was picked in the 4th rd. - and he was picked even before Dak who was the other, later 4th rd pick we had.

tapper and Collins both players with prior history of injuries. both turned out to be scrubs.

 

[quickccc]

Even though Collins had one of his best seasons last year, I don't see Dallas holding on to him being money, youth & change seem to be their priorities on the DL.

Maliek is actually young, and this is the youth movement they are looking for long term, but if he were the true impact interior force they coveted, he would have been re-signed for long term
quite some time ago, and they never would have drafted Trysten Hill in the very early rounds last year.

They may likely throw him a B-tier (cap friendly serviceable-like offer to remain, but it definitely wont be ground breaking as he would go against Stephen Jones motto and philosophy of
" not giving average players good money contracts " - Maliek is in that Hitchen, Church, Leary group of serviceable types, but not difference makers.

 

[Creeper]

A lot of people look at the Cowboys 2016 draft like it was a great draft for them. But in my mind it could have been so much better. Collins has always been a JAG and I think other teams know that. He can't shed blocks, gets lost in traffic too often and is easily blown off the line by better guards in the league The problem for Dallas is neither tackle demands a double team. This leaves a lineman free to get to the 2nd level and take out Jaylon Smith who can't seem to avoid getting blocked.

If Collins will re-sign for $3 million a year then I would consider keeping him for depth. But the Cowboys need to DTs who are much better than Collins. And btw, I think there are a few guys in the draft in 2020 projected to go in the 2nd and 3rd rounds who are just like him.

 

[OmerV]

I can blame them for quitting. THat being said, I didn't see anyone quit. I just don't think I saw guys being coached up.

Exactly. Some fans just like to spin the most dramatic scenario they can. Like you, I believe if someone "quit", they should be blamed, and there is no excuse whether they like the coach or not. A player like that would not be worth having. But I didn't see "quit". It's not as if the DT position had proven to be outstaning in past years and suddenly just quit in 2019. The brief time we had Irving in the middle of the D-Line is the only outstanding play we've seen since Hatcher in 2013.

 

[kskboys]

Exactly. Some fans just like to spin the most dramatic scenario they can. Like you, I believe if someone "quit", they should be blamed, and there is no excuse whether they like the coach or not. A player like that would not be worth having. But I didn't see "quit". It's not as if the DT position had proven to be outstaning in past years and suddenly just quit in 2019. The brief time we had Irving in the middle of the D-Line is the only outstanding play we've seen since Hatcher in 2013.

Yup. The whole "quitting" thing is simply drama queen crapp. It's a term generally used by fans who are unable to figure out what happened.

 

[quickccc]

A lot of people look at the Cowboys 2016 draft like it was a great draft for them. But in my mind it could have been so much better. Collins has always been a JAG and I think other teams know that. He can't shed blocks, gets lost in traffic too often and is easily blown off the line by better guards in the league The problem for Dallas is neither tackle demands a double team. This leaves a lineman free to get to the 2nd level and take out Jaylon Smith who can't seem to avoid getting blocked.

If Collins will re-sign for $3 million a year then I would consider keeping him for depth. But the Cowboys need to DTs who are much better than Collins. And btw, I think there are a few guys in the draft in 2020 projected to go in the 2nd and 3rd rounds who are just like him.

That’s hindsight and of course we can say that NOW since it hasn’t panned out as we took these guys. But at the time what were we saying the very day when we drafted Maliek, Tapper, Jaylon in the 2nd

I actually liked and could understand the thought process that went into drafting first step get off explosive guys like Collins and Tapper, and what that kind of explosive athleticism off the line, and what it would have meant for our DL unit.

Frankly on that 2016 draft day I could live with what was being presented to me at that time, … a far cry from what was being shoved at me with Taco during his 2017 draft day- As I just was horrified of his game tape and sloooow get off and unimpressive movement skills.

 

[kskboys]

A lot of people look at the Cowboys 2016 draft like it was a great draft for them. But in my mind it could have been so much better. Collins has always been a JAG and I think other teams know that. He can't shed blocks, gets lost in traffic too often and is easily blown off the line by better guards in the league The problem for Dallas is neither tackle demands a double team. This leaves a lineman free to get to the 2nd level and take out Jaylon Smith who can't seem to avoid getting blocked.

If Collins will re-sign for $3 million a year then I would consider keeping him for depth. But the Cowboys need to DTs who are much better than Collins. And btw, I think there are a few guys in the draft in 2020 projected to go in the 2nd and 3rd rounds who are just like him.

Just about every draft has been declared great for us, and it's been premature. Remember that awesome 13 draft? Man, posters were just going out of their minds as to how awesome it was. And now? Let's see, Fredsy was an awesome pick. After that? TWill? Escobar? Wilcox? Yay.

What's funny is that so many don't have the least bit of comprehension of why we have the 3 year rule of evaluating drafts.

 

[kskboys]

That’s hindsight and of course we can say that NOW since it hasn’t panned out as we took these guys. But at the time what were we saying the very day when we drafted Maliek, Tapper, Jaylon in the 2nd

I actually liked and could understand the thought process that went into drafting first step get off explosive guys like Collins and Tapper, and what that kind of explosive athleticism off the line, and what it would have meant for our DL unit.

Frankly on that 2016 draft day I could live with what was being presented to me at that time, … a far cry from what was being shoved at me with Taco during his 2017 draft day- As I just was horrified of his game tape and sloooow get off and unimpressive movement skills.

I thought that draft was unimpressive. No hindsight. I wanted Javon Hargrave in the 3rd badly. Tapper never impressed in college, and Jaylon was way too big of a question mark. Stupid picks.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I did. He got me with that off season workout hype video a few years ago

Oh I’m not even familiar of this video lol......

 

[CouchCoach]

You’re right. We can easily upgrade.

If we could easily upgrade, why do we have him in the first place?

 

[CouchCoach]

I thought that draft was unimpressive. No hindsight. I wanted Javon Hargrave in the 3rd badly. Tapper never impressed in college, and Jaylon was way too big of a question mark. Stupid picks.

The Tapper thing was ridiculous. They tried to give him the starting role at OU and he couldn't handle it. Then we get Tapper Watch on the forum, waiting for him to emerge with Gathers to don their gold jackets.

I really wish those that think the minute they become a Cowboy, they improve, would back it off a little. You try to debate with them and they end up calling you a hater.

Collins was a lot of fun because a lot of those that want a behemoth in the middle would make excuses for him.

The problem with Collins is can they do any better? The brain trust doesn't find DT's sexy. They extended the MLB, middle of the line problem solved.

 

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Oh I’m not even familiar of this video lol......

I was all in

 

[big dog cowboy]

I was pretty excited about Collins after his foot issue was solved and the new shoes were supposed to be the answer. Finally his history of foot problems would be over and we would see the player the Cowboys thought they were getting on draft day. I remember reading an article about him in preseason and it actually mentioned Pro Bowl. Then another so-so season last year happened so now I'm about ready to move on. Giving him a new deal for the minimum makes sense and allows the Cowboys to address other areas on Day 3. Gives him a chance to prove his worth with a new staff.

 

[Proof]

Just about every draft has been declared great for us, and it's been premature. Remember that awesome 13 draft? Man, posters were just going out of their minds as to how awesome it was. And now? Let's see, Fredsy was an awesome pick. After that? TWill? Escobar? Wilcox? Yay.

What's funny is that so many don't have the least bit of comprehension of why we have the 3 year rule of evaluating drafts.

Oof. What a setback. With Keenan Allen and Kelce right their for the taking. Escobar is arguably my least favorite pick this side of Chaz “sweaty” Green

 

[big dog cowboy]

Tapper never impressed in college

Played out of position and showed he had what it took to play on the next level and was easily worth a 4th rounder.

This has been covered so much the last few years.

 

[ondaedg]

I don't think sacks is what his problem was. He could be disruptive at times. I think the problems with him was consistency and playing the run. IMO, he just never got better. Not necessarily worse just stayed stagnant. But so did this coaching staff.

This. Sacks are just a small sliver of what makes a DT good and Collins was pretty much just a gap shooter. LBers do not like DTs who shoot gaps especially against the run. Sets them up to be mauled as we saw happen to Jaylon and LVE against the Packers and Vikes on multiple occasions.

 

[JoeKing]

Well no doubt he's not a star but no one is suggesting he is. Maliek was long down on the list of what was wrong with this team. So if there's a chance to bring him in at a solid price then i'd look into it. But I think it was always assumed he'd test free agency and get a nice check. I'm sure that's going to be a lot of guys in free agency. He may be average here but with a real coaching staff they may feel like they can get more out of him.

I agree but I also see him flying under other team's radar which gives our FA a better chance to resign him at a reasonable price. If he gets a better deal elsewhere then good for him, we'll replace him.

 

[OmerV]

A lot of people look at the Cowboys 2016 draft like it was a great draft for them. But in my mind it could have been so much better. Collins has always been a JAG and I think other teams know that. He can't shed blocks, gets lost in traffic too often and is easily blown off the line by better guards in the league The problem for Dallas is neither tackle demands a double team. This leaves a lineman free to get to the 2nd level and take out Jaylon Smith who can't seem to avoid getting blocked.

If Collins will re-sign for $3 million a year then I would consider keeping him for depth. But the Cowboys need to DTs who are much better than Collins. And btw, I think there are a few guys in the draft in 2020 projected to go in the 2nd and 3rd rounds who are just like him.

Having an outstanding draft doesn't mean most players become standouts, so even if they aren't all top players, to get 4-5 players that all became starters is very good for one draft. Sure Collins isn't a star, but it's not as if most 3rd round picks are. It happens, but it isn't a routine expectation. As it is, he would be fine as a starter if paired with a better player at the other DT spot, but if not, then his spot needs to be upgraded and he would make a nice rotational piece. Then there is the fact Dak was a 4th round pick, and Brown a 6th round pick, those were great value picks for the point they were drafted.

 

[ondaedg]

Oof. What a setback. With Keenan Allen and Kelce right their for the taking. Escobar is arguably my least favorite pick this side of Chaz “sweaty” Green

Well the other 31 teams were stupid heads for not seeing the raw potential of Escobar.