Most Overrated Prospect

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These threads are always fun. Name the prospect(s) you think has been way overhyped.

Although the early hype train has died down a bit, I still think Colorado WR Laviska Shenault is waaay over rated.

I don’t see it.

I see him as a 3rd/4th prospect at best, and not the potential 1st rounder many had him to be.

There’s many others, but he’s the first guy that came to mind. Who are yours?
 
chase Young. Its very hard to translate to the pro level from DE/dt. The speed of the game and such. The talent level he will face each week. I suspect he will struggle all year.
 
These threads are always fun. Name the prospect(s) you think has been way overhyped.

Although the early hype train has died down a bit, I still think Colorado WR Laviska Shenault is waaay over rated.

I don’t see it.

I see him as a 3rd/4th prospect at best, and not the potential 1st rounder many had him to be.

There’s many others, but he’s the first guy that came to mind. Who are yours?

This was going to be my answer.

I also think Epenesa is overratd.
 
This was going to be my answer.

I also think Epenesa is overratd.
yup...him too but I think in the right role, he can be more effective early on than Chase Young. He seems like a power edge guy. Heavy handed and just powerful. Those guys tend to do better early at the pro level.
 
Xavier McKinney


He’s a nice player that plays a position that you can get by with a player like Jeff Heath and it not effect the outcomes of a game negatively.

McKinney is a 2nd round player that people have overrated and have him going in round 1.
 
yup...him too but I think in the right role, he can be more effective early on than Chase Young. He seems like a power edge guy. Heavy handed and just powerful. Those guys tend to do better early at the pro level.

Espenesa seems to be destined to go at the backend of Round 1 to the Ravens and be very productive player.
 
Tua Tagavalioa. Give another QB 3 high quality prospect WRs,1st & 2nd rounders on the o-line and a dominant defense. Put Tua on another team like San Diego State and see if he would do the same??
 
Patrick Queen and every Safety in the draft.

Delpit can't tackle
Mckinney is too slow and can't jump
Winfield JR too short and injury prone
Dugger and Chinn low level competition
Burgess too small and not enough experience.
They all have problems.

Queen just doesn't look like a 1st rd pick to me.
 
Patrick Queen and every Safety in the draft.

Delpit can't tackle
Mckinney is too slow and can't jump
Winfield JR too short and injury prone
Dugger and Chinn low level competition
Burgess too small and not enough experience.
They all have problems.

Queen just doesn't look like a 1st rd pick to me.
agree..Queen looks like a role player that good teams need. I like him in round 2 at earliest. His is a playmaker I think we should look at for special teams.
 
Patrick Queen and every Safety in the draft.

Delpit can't tackle
Mckinney is too slow and can't jump
Winfield JR too short and injury prone
Dugger and Chinn low level competition
Burgess too small and not enough experience.
They all have problems.

Queen just doesn't look like a 1st rd pick to me.

This is brilliant.

Should we convert LVE to safety?
 
This is brilliant.

Should we convert LVE to safety?

Maybe

Has long arms, moves well, could probably run in the 4.5's if he lost 25 lbs. Would prolong his career. I don't think he is going to have a long career taking on guards and tackles around the l.o.s.
 
Xavier McKinney


He’s a nice player that plays a position that you can get by with a player like Jeff Heath and it not effect the outcomes of a game negatively.

McKinney is a 2nd round player that people have overrated and have him going in round 1.

I really don’t understand how McKInney has gotten type casted as a SS only. Are you actually watching him play?? He’s better in coverage than Heath can dream of. He played man coverage in the a lot a good bit for Bama
 
100% at least two of the top ten OTs drafted will be huge busts. I just dont know which ones....
Remember when 50% if this board actually thought Gabe Carimi, Nate Solder, Derreck Sherrod and Anthiny Costanzo were better prospects than Tyron. I mean so many thought he was a RT and that woukdnt be able to put weight on,only because Matt Khalil was USC LT . How'd that work out for Khalil?
 
I really don’t understand how McKInney has gotten type casted as a SS only. Are you actually watching him play?? He’s better in coverage than Heath can dream of. He played man coverage in the a lot a good bit for Bama

It’s what people do. They like to create oversimplified narratives.

Delpit struggles with tackling so they overstate his strengths and make him seem like he’s Ed Reed Jr.

A slow linebacker suddenly becomes “instinctive.”

A QB that lacks arm strength is always “deadly accurate.” Meanwhile, the guy with arm talent is always erratic.

McKinney can play in coverage. That said, I think if we did take him it would be to pair with Xavier Woods, which is fine IMO.

 
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Tua Tagavalioa. Give another QB 3 high quality prospect WRs,1st & 2nd rounders on the o-line and a dominant defense. Put Tua on another team like San Diego State and see if he would do the same??

Lol, I find it shocking how many people think Tua is overrated.
 
Lol, I find it shocking how many people think Tua is overrated.
I'm not in the overrated camp. I think the guy will be a good not great pro. I see him winning a SB if he goes to the right team. Miami will ruin him. I think a team like Detroit would be much better. He could sit behind Stafford and learn for a year or 2 and heal up more. If Miami drafts him he will have the weight of the world on him now and the expectations will be enormous. I don't see that working.
 
Most overrated that I've watched is probably Cole Kmet. Dude is a straight-line athlete who might have the least amount of strength I've ever seen in a 260 pound TE. I saw safeties put two hands in his chest and knock him back, consistently.

He's the classic "looks like Tarzan" guy. When he's running vertical routes down the field, you can see the Gronkowski comparisons. When he has to square up and block someone, he looks like his body is hollow. When he has to gear down to cut or turn upfield, he looks like old-man Jason Witten.

Speed plays at TE, and his height/weight/speed combo is very good, but he is a 2nd or early 3rd round gamble IMO and that's in a bad tight end class.


And several thoughts I have on the safety discussion here:

-I think the part people tend to miss about Delpit in the usual "He's a ballhawk! He can't tackle!" back and forth is that instincts are what translate most to the pros, and Delpit is really smart. The tackling scares me, and I don't think he's anything special as an athlete, but I also think he'll end up playing 10 years in the league simply because he knows what he's doing and where to go. As I've said before, my best comparison for him is probably Eric Reid.

-McKinney played about 60% deep or in the slot last year and 40% in the box, so the characterization of him as a box safety baffles me. He's a true "multiple" DB. For that matter, Delpit played 18% of his snaps in the box too. People typecast McKinney and Delpit based on the SS and FS besides their names on the roster, but LSU and Bama used them more fluidly and the NFL likely will too.

-Winfield is getting hype after his 40, but we knew he was a baller when healthy. The question with him has always been injuries, and I don't think that gets mentioned enough. He is a Sean Lee-ish type of health risk.
 
Most overrated that I've watched is probably Cole Kmet. Dude is a straight-line athlete who might have the least amount of strength I've ever seen in a 260 pound TE. I saw safeties put two hands in his chest and knock him back, consistently.

He's the classic "looks like Tarzan" guy. When he's running vertical routes down the field, you can see the Gronkowski comparisons. When he has to square up and block someone, he looks like his body is hollow. When he has to gear down to cut or turn upfield, he looks like old-man Jason Witten.

Speed plays at TE, and his height/weight/speed combo is very good, but he is a 2nd or early 3rd round gamble IMO and that's in a bad tight end class.


And several thoughts I have on the safety discussion here:

-I think the part people tend to miss about Delpit in the usual "He's a ballhawk! He can't tackle!" back and forth is that instincts are what translate most to the pros, and Delpit is really smart. The tackling scares me, and I don't think he's anything special as an athlete, but I also think he'll end up playing 10 years in the league simply because he knows what he's doing and where to go. As I've said before, my best comparison for him is probably Eric Reid.

-McKinney played about 60% deep or in the slot last year and 40% in the box, so the characterization of him as a box safety baffles me. He's a true "multiple" DB. For that matter, Delpit played 18% of his snaps in the box too. People typecast McKinney and Delpit based on the SS and FS besides their names on the roster, but LSU and Bama used them more fluidly and the NFL likely will too.

-Winfield is getting hype after his 40, but we knew he was a baller when healthy. The question with him has always been injuries, and I don't think that gets mentioned enough. He is a Sean Lee-ish type of health risk.

Agree 100% on Delpit. Scouting reports rave about instincts and football smarts which is what separates Ss from making it in the pros or not.

Tackling issues are concerning, but I’m still a fan.
 

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