Putting all the Blame on the Front Office is Disingenuous

[Stash]

Maybe we were less interested in Cooper than reported...?

Is that why they traded way a 1st round pick for him then? A lack of interest?

 

[Kaiser]

They paid La'el Collins just last season and that looks like a great deal in retrospect, doesn't it?

That's one and it was completely unexpected. Everyone involved said Collins took a lesser deal to stay in Dallas.

Name some more. Unless you want to tantrum over Crawford some more.

 

[Kaiser]

Oh please. You're a guy crying about 'wet bed sheets' or some such nonsense and you want to discuss maturity?

Wet pants and bedsheets. And you are Suspect A for both.

 

[Stash]

That's one and it was completely unexpected. Everyone involved said Collins took a lesser deal to stay in Dallas.

Name some more. Unless you want to tantrum over Crawford some more.

Why should I? I've already made you look dumb.

Mission accomplished.

 

[Kaiser]

Don't forget the Jaylon Smith early extension, which was loved by all in January.

Good example, but I think the reaction was more mixed than "loved by all". Most people are calling that an overpayment at the moment but I think it will work out like most contracts to be roughly market rate in the end.

But in the end its exactly @817Gill's point. It takes both sides to want to do it and the agents from Dak and Cooper clearly had not intention of signing before this unless it was an overpayment.

 

[Stash]

Wet pants and bedsheets. And you are Suspect A for both.

And you have the nerve and total lack of self awareness to mention anyone else's "maturity".

Be embarrassed.

 

[DallasEast]

It is disingenuous for the front office to get 100% of the blame. However, it is extremely difficulty knowing how much blame to assign either party when no one knows the particulars of a negotiation outside the parties themselves.

 

[817Gill]

Good example, but I think the reaction was more mixed than "loved by all". Most people are calling that an overpayment at the moment but I think it will work out like most contracts to be roughly market rate in the end.

But in the end its exactly @817Gill's point. It takes both sides to want to do it and the agents from Dak and Cooper clearly had not intention of signing before this unless it was an overpayment.

Yeah I don’t want it to divert the convo to what a good deal v bad deal is, it’s just the fact that in order for a deal to be negotiated two sides must be willing to tango. Is the FO blameless in where things stand today? Definitely not. But there has to be concessions made that Coop and Dak plus the CBA made this a lot more complicated than just ‘sign’ or ‘don’t sign’

 

[Kaiser]

And you have the nerve and total lack of self awareness to mention anyone else's "maturity".

Be embarrassed.

 

[817Gill]

It is disingenuous for the front office to get 100% of the blame. However, it is extremely difficulty knowing how much blame to assign either party when no one knows the particulars of a negotiation outside the parties themselves.

Great post

 

[Kaiser]

Yeah I don’t want it to divert the convo to what a good deal v bad deal is, it’s just the fact that in order for a deal to be negotiated two sides must be willing to tango. Is the FO blameless in where things stand today? Definitely not. But there has to be concessions made that Coop and Dak plus the CBA made this a lot more complicated than just ‘sign’ or ‘don’t sign’

Exactly. I don't get why its so hard for people to just say they don't know at this point but the answer will be there on Wednesday.

 

[kiheikiwi]

The big caveat that hurts the front office in this whole mess to date, is that by placing the Franchise Tag on Dak, that now eats up almost (relative term) 50% of our available cap space. 31.6 or some such million for the 2020 season, of our 72 million or so. Now that kicks in officially once the Tag is signed, and that may be awhile, but they have to have those funds available. Thus limiting what they can actually do in F.A.
Have said for awhile that this off-season and what they do, may be one of the most important off-seasons in the last 20+ years.

 

[starfan1]

@Sydla @stasheroo @CATCH17 @Bobhaze

I see y’all saying we do this all the time and I get where you are coming from, but we literally always sign our pro-bowl caliber guys. This would literally be the only year we let pro bowl talent walk. We signed Zeke, signed DLaw, we signed Zach Martin a few years back, Dez as well when he was up.

The team does use the “deadlines make deals” mantra but it always felt like they started negotiations at a reasonable time and tried to get the home town deal. Then as they pushed towards the deadline would give ground, only to agree to whatever was on the table at the 11th hour. To me it seems as Coop/Daks agents made it impossible to have good faith negotiations early, adding to that the status of the CBA you get some of the most unique and difficult negotiating parameters I’ve ever seen.

I think most teams would be in a position of gridlock with these guys in this situation to some extent

[QUOTE="stasheroo, post: 10056687, member: 5952"]Do we "always" make good signings?

I'd have to say no, particularly with our three most recent deals handed out.

Yes, they tried to get that "home town deal" and it blew up in their faces. None of these guys cared or were intimidated by the Cowboys luster or the Joneses bluster. And now Junior will either pay top market rates, or lose the players. He failed.[/QUOTE]

Now thats a different animal all together and the answer would be no. Outside of Lael I cant think of a good signing recently.

 

[KingintheNorth]

This poor, poor Front Office. Helpless to do anything about these greedy agents and selfish players.

Meanwhile, did you see that the Cowboys are the most valuable franchise in all of sports?


How about the cool yacht?


Again, these poor, helpless Jones boys. Life just isn't fair.

 

[Hennessy_King]

This is 100% on the front office. Dak should have been signed last offseason along with Amari Cooper. I mean who gives up a first round pick for a player knowing he will need a new deal to only borrow him for a year and a half while having him do what you brought him here to do, put up pro bowl numbers. Such a headscratcher

 

[blindzebra]

Coop and Dak’s agents both wanted to wait until the CBA and other comparable contracts were signed. In Coopers case, he was signed to an agency with 2 agents repping him. The agency split and Coop had to take some time to decide which of the two would represent him. In Daks case we all know who Todd France is and what Dak was doing when he made that switch. Byron IMO was never a serious candidate for a long term top of the market deal.

We see stories about the team not being in contact but the reports and quotes from Amari and Daks negotiations illustrate that the players representation wants to exercise all possible leverage. More power to them but it takes 2 to negotiate. I know we think the FO is run by idiots but they literally have no incentive at all to wait till the last second to initiate communication. Deadlines make deals when you negotiate; not when the other party isn’t willing to talk at all.

It is completely fair and here is why:
1. Trade for Cooper, but don't lock him up with an extension.
2. Dak is a 3 year starter with 32 wins, 2 division titles, and was making less than 700K. He should have gotten an extension BEFORE he entered the final year. Had they done so the mark would have been Jimmy G and not Wentz and Goff. Do it then and you don't have their contracts and a 4900 yard 30 TD season to add to the mix, on top of #3.
3. Letting Zeke get his way with 2 years left on his deal by holding out. That sent a clear message to agents everywhere that hardball get you more cash with the Jones'.

 

[817Gill]

It is completely fair and here is why:
1. Trade for Cooper, but don't lock him up with an extension.
2. Dak is a 3 year starter with 32 wins, 2 division titles, and was making less than 700K. He should have gotten an extension BEFORE he entered the final year. Had they done so the mark would have been Jimmy G and not Wentz and Goff. Do it then and you don't have their contracts and a 4900 yard 30 TD season to add to the mix, on top of #3.
3. Letting Zeke get his way with 2 years left on his deal by holding out. That sent a clear message to agents everywhere that hardball get you more cash with the Jones'.

Number 3 I’ll give you. But the premise of my post is Dak and Coops agent seemed more than happy if not set on waiting till a number of expiring players were signed and/or CBA was decided on. The Cowboys couldn’t make deals 1&2 if the representatives wanted to exercise that leverage. Did the boys mess some things up? Most definitely, but there was an element of hardball and CBA that the agents used to their obvious advantage

 

[Daygoboy6191]

Is that why they traded way a 1st round pick for him then? A lack of interest?

A lot changes in a year and a half. You ever been head over heels for a girl and a month later you can’t stand the look of her?

 

[Stash]

Showing that 'maturity' once again Veruca. Oft-mentioned, never displayed.

 

[Stash]

A lot changes in a year and a half. You ever been head over heels for a girl and a month later you can’t stand the look of her?

Yeah, but she never cost me $15 million and a first round pick!