McCarthy Philosophy on Defensive Line

[Kaiser]

I was looking for a quote I read about McCarthy wanting 8 or 9 DL who can rush the passer, does anyone have that exact quote?

He has also said he integrates the DL with coverage schemes, with is probably A) his philosophy and B) an admission that last year's defense was not sync'ed between the DL rush schemes and the secondary coverage schemes.

With the addition of Smith (and likely more draft picks) it looks like they will go away from the Marinelli/Richard scheme of the DL stunting a lot of with players rotating. That while Richard was playing the DBs to avoid big plays.

With McCoy and Poe, doesn't it seem like the DL will play more straight up with the secondary taking more chances? The secondary isn't set but even without a draft pick the DL looks like McCarthy has his 8/9 rushing DL:

LDE: DLaw, Crawford, Jackson/Jelks
DT: McCoy, Hill, Crawford
DT: Poe, Woods
RDE: Smith, Gregory, Dorance Armstrong

 

[slick325]

I was looking for a quote I read about McCarthy wanting 8 or 9 DL who can rush the passer, does anyone have that exact quote?

He has also said he integrates the DL with coverage schemes, with is probably A) his philosophy and B) an admission that last year's defense was not sync'ed between the DL rush schemes and the secondary coverage schemes.

With the addition of Smith (and likely more draft picks) it looks like they will go away from the Marinelli/Richard scheme of the DL stunting a lot of with players rotating. That while Richard was playing the DBs to avoid big plays.

With McCoy and Poe, doesn't it seem like the DL will play more straight up with the secondary taking more chances? The secondary isn't set but even without a draft pick the DL looks like McCarthy has his 8/9 rushing DL:

LDE: DLaw, Crawford, Jackson/Jelks
DT: McCoy, Hill, Crawford
DT: Poe, Woods
RDE: Smith, Gregory, Dorance Armstrong

Should your thought be a true reflection of what McCarthy wants for his defense, then that means CB and Safety should be the targets in the 1st and 2nd rounds. If the secondary will be taking more chances, you need a stud on the back backend who will prevent big plays and be a ball hawking playmaker. Same applies to the CB position. I think Jourdan Lewis is always near the ball and Xavier Woods seems to be as well (doesn't have the pics to show yet) but no one else fits the bill.

 

[bayeslife]

I think we’re going to learn a lot more about this teams philosophy and scheme intentions come draft night. Hard to think that Aldon Smith and Randy Gregory can be counted on when they aren’t even reinstated yet.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

As long as it differs from Rod, I am good.

 

[Cowboyny]

I was looking for a quote I read about McCarthy wanting 8 or 9 DL who can rush the passer, does anyone have that exact quote?

He has also said he integrates the DL with coverage schemes, with is probably A) his philosophy and B) an admission that last year's defense was not sync'ed between the DL rush schemes and the secondary coverage schemes.

With the addition of Smith (and likely more draft picks) it looks like they will go away from the Marinelli/Richard scheme of the DL stunting a lot of with players rotating. That while Richard was playing the DBs to avoid big plays.

With McCoy and Poe, doesn't it seem like the DL will play more straight up with the secondary taking more chances? The secondary isn't set but even without a draft pick the DL looks like McCarthy has his 8/9 rushing DL:

LDE: DLaw, Crawford, Jackson/Jelks
DT: McCoy, Hill, Crawford
DT: Poe, Woods
RDE: Smith, Gregory, Dorance Armstrong

-Did the team offer Woods a offer sheet, I don't think he will return
-Little depth behind the starters
-A remember that quote, not sure if it was from MM or Nolan. Believe they want size/strength up front with multiple, elite edge rushers

 

[big dog cowboy]

This is?

 

[Kaiser]

-Did the team offer Woods a offer sheet, I don't think he will return

They haven't yet but they control his rights and he would be a very good backup at a low price. He hasn't signed but I think the chances are extremely high that he does.

 

[Kaiser]

Should your thought be a true reflection of what McCarthy wants for his defense, then that means CB and Safety should be the targets in the 1st and 2nd rounds. If the secondary will be taking more chances, you need a stud on the back backend who will prevent big plays and be a ball hawking playmaker. Same applies to the CB position. I think Jourdan Lewis is always near the ball and Xavier Woods seems to be as well (doesn't have the pics to show yet) but no one else fits the bill.

Totally agree, I think CB and Safety are the picks in the first two rounds until a top guy drops. Probably CB in the second round, that seems to be the best value.

Then WR and OT in rounds 3 & 4.

 

[Kaiser]

This is?

Thanks. But the one I was thinking of and can't find was that he wants 8 or 9 players on the DL that can apply pressure. It seems like we will have 3 of them at RDE.

 

[Stash]

I was looking for a quote I read about McCarthy wanting 8 or 9 DL who can rush the passer, does anyone have that exact quote?

He has also said he integrates the DL with coverage schemes, with is probably A) his philosophy and B) an admission that last year's defense was not sync'ed between the DL rush schemes and the secondary coverage schemes.

With the addition of Smith (and likely more draft picks) it looks like they will go away from the Marinelli/Richard scheme of the DL stunting a lot of with players rotating. That while Richard was playing the DBs to avoid big plays.

With McCoy and Poe, doesn't it seem like the DL will play more straight up with the secondary taking more chances? The secondary isn't set but even without a draft pick the DL looks like McCarthy has his 8/9 rushing DL:

LDE: DLaw, Crawford, Jackson/Jelks
DT: McCoy, Hill, Crawford
DT: Poe, Woods
RDE: Smith, Gregory, Dorance Armstrong

I've said for a while that there looked to be a clear disconnect last year, at all three levels. Marinelli coaching one thing, Bloom another, and Richard yet another. Dysfunction Junction.

Just getting rod of that should be a boon to the defense. Now with the player additions? That should help even more. But Quinn's pass rush is still a loss until Smith, Gregory, or someone else proves otherwise.

But I do expect to see a guy rushing from a standing position in that elephant sort of position we've seen in the past. Smith did his best work there. (TJ Watt too)

 

[Kaiser]

I've said for a while that there looked to be a clear disconnect last year, at all three levels. Marinelli coaching one thing, Bloom another, and Richard yet another. Dysfunction Junction.

Richard was ultimately the guy responsible, though Bloom was apparently at the Keith OQuinn level of incompetence. I think the bigger factor was teams copied the Rams playbook of reading off the DL sets to force the LBs into bad angles.

I worry about how quickly the scheme comes together with all the changes to coaches and players, but clearly McCarthy has senior people on defense who know their stuff.

 

[Stash]

Richard was ultimately the guy responsible, though Bloom was apparently at the Keith OQuinn level of incompetence. I think the bigger factor was teams copied the Rams playbook of reading off the DL sets to force the LBs into bad angles.

I worry about how quickly the scheme comes together with all the changes to coaches and players, but clearly McCarthy has senior people on defense who know their stuff.

The current climate doesn't help.

 

[Kaiser]

The current climate doesn't help.

I wonder if the fact we have a ton of very senior coaches with their own networks will help us the draft evaluation over teams where a younger HC brought in "his guys".

 

[Stash]

I wonder if the fact we have a ton of very senior coaches with their own networks will help us the draft evaluation over teams where a younger HC brought in "his guys".

I hope that the coaches do little more than provide a wishlist of the positions they'd like to have.

Giving coaches too much draft authority brought us Taco Charlton over TJ Watt and Trysten Hill over Juan Thornhill.

I have no desire to repeat those past mistakes.

 

[Cowboyny]

They haven't yet but they control his rights and he would be a very good backup at a low price. He hasn't signed but I think the chances are extremely high that he does.

I haven't heard nothing about him, I agree would be a solid, low priced backup

 

[Kaiser]

I hope that the coaches do little more than provide a wishlist of the positions they'd like to have.
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I should have expanded on that, with the current lockdown teams are not doing the personal visits and indepth interviews they normally do where the coaches really evaluate the players character, ability to pick up the scheme, etc (and fall in love with Trysten Hill!).

Since that isn't happening teams will be relying a lot more on their contacts with the college coaches and I have to think McCarthy's staff has a broader network than a lot of other teams.

 

[Kaiser]

I hope that the coaches do little more than provide a wishlist of the positions they'd like to have.

BTW, Travis Frederick was a great draft pick and apparently a part of the reason they drafted him was that he was dazzling in interviews when coaches asked him to recognize defensive alignments and make adjustments. The story was that Frederick could do that like a five year veteran even before he was drafted. It certainly played out that way on the field.

 

[Stash]

I should have expanded on that, with the current lockdown teams are not doing the personal visits and indepth interviews they normally do where the coaches really evaluate the players character, ability to pick up the scheme, etc (and fall in love with Trysten Hill!).

Since that isn't happening teams will be relying a lot more on their contacts with the college coaches and I have to think McCarthy's staff has a broader network than a lot of other teams.

I would agree. I think he has an extensive network of connections.

 

[Stash]

BTW, Travis Frederick was a great draft pick and apparently a part of the reason they drafted him was that he was dazzling in interviews when coaches asked him to recognize defensive alignments and make adjustments. The story was that Frederick could do that like a five year veteran even before he was drafted. It certainly played out that way on the field.

Yes, I recently remember reading something about that very same thing, and the sheer intelligence factor that Fredbeard brought to the table (wish I could remember where, it all runs together!)

I can't help but to wonder (and hope) that he might still be involved around the team to help out in some way?

 

[Redball Express]

I was looking for a quote I read about McCarthy wanting 8 or 9 DL who can rush the passer, does anyone have that exact quote?

He has also said he integrates the DL with coverage schemes, with is probably A) his philosophy and B) an admission that last year's defense was not sync'ed between the DL rush schemes and the secondary coverage schemes.

With the addition of Smith (and likely more draft picks) it looks like they will go away from the Marinelli/Richard scheme of the DL stunting a lot of with players rotating. That while Richard was playing the DBs to avoid big plays.

With McCoy and Poe, doesn't it seem like the DL will play more straight up with the secondary taking more chances? The secondary isn't set but even without a draft pick the DL looks like McCarthy has his 8/9 rushing DL:

LDE: DLaw, Crawford, Jackson/Jelks
DT: McCoy, Hill, Crawford
DT: Poe, Woods
RDE: Smith, Gregory, Dorance Armstrong

It's unrealistic to think this will be a quick fix.

2-3 drafts will be needed no doubt.

It's just been neglected for so long.

I think the answer is to sign and draft a bunch of stoners and pay them in munchies with an open bar.

We will be fine.