Case for trading 17 for Jamal Adams

[jterrell]

They did beat the Cowboys last year.



That doesn't add to the player's appeal for me.



Yeah, it seems like they seemingly can't decide what they want to do and that's bad long-term planning on their part. But they're the Jets after all and have been a mess forever.



How so?

They also finished 3rd in their division and were under .500 again for the umpteenth time in a row.
DAL has an elite offense and has been chasing an elite safety for 3-4 years running.
Adams social media stuff would definitely annoy many but it comes down to he wants to be paid.
You have an agreement on extension before you make the trade.

Adams value is no higher in any other city than Dallas. Need at position plus his love for the city. See the huge Dallas Stars D tattooed on him.

Stepehen Jones won't make this move but McClay, Jerry, McCarthy and others move the needle and get it done.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I understand the sentiment but there isn't a round 1 safety in this class much less an elite prospect like Adams.

Any FS in this draft can be had in the 2nd round. And there isn't anyone near the prospect Adams is.

The answer to all of this is really simple. The Cowboys should have been more aggressive and signed Earl Thomas.

 

[cowboygo]

And that's what the leagues does:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/safety/

It's no coincidence that free safeties are the highest paid. The league knows that it is the more important position.

Meanwhile, with this trade - and the part no one calling for it is willing to admit - the Cowboys would be setting the safety market on a strong safety.

Using another 1st round pick to then have to set the market to keep the player. Bad business and an unsustainable practice.

Frankly I just don't see this defense becoming elite unless we draft in the top 10 in the next 3 years, and use those resources on the defensive side. We don't need it to be elite though, what we need are a couple of playmakers on that side and lean on our offense.

 

[big dog cowboy]

And that's what the leagues does:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/safety/

It's no coincidence that free safeties are the highest paid. The league knows that it is the more important position.

Meanwhile, with this trade - and the part no one calling for it is willing to admit - the Cowboys would be setting the safety market on a strong safety.

Using another 1st round pick to then have to set the market to keep the player. Bad business and an unsustainable practice.

I completely agree with all that!

 

[jterrell]

Any FS in this draft can be had in the 2nd round. And there isn't anyone near the prospect Adams is.

The answer to all of this is really simple. The Cowboys should have been more aggressive and signed Earl Thomas.

Earl was 29 coming off major injuries.
Adams is 24 and healthy.
Give me Adams.

 

[cowboygo]

The way the NFL has changed, it pains me to say this.

But I would take Reed. You put a Ed Reed on this defense and boom goes the dynamite.

Yup, we just need a stud playmaker on defense and let our offense have more chances with the ball. To our misfortune, we don't have the "luxury" of drafting high and can't get those kind of players in the draft, especially with the roster we have that will keep us around 8-8. We would need to have a couple of bad years to get elite defensive players.

 

[jterrell]

And that's what the leagues does:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/safety/

It's no coincidence that free safeties are the highest paid. The league knows that it is the more important position.

Meanwhile, with this trade - and the part no one calling for it is willing to admit - the Cowboys would be setting the safety market on a strong safety.

Using another 1st round pick to then have to set the market to keep the player. Bad business and an unsustainable practice.

DAL set the league at RB too for a few months.
DAL would be adding a game changing box safety to go with Xavier Woods and Haha who are both off the ball coverage guys.

I'd love Adams to be on the field versus the Eagles.

 

[Stash]

They also finished 3rd in their division and were under .500 again for the umpteenth time in a row.

7-5 when they had their starting quarterback.

DAL has an elite offense and has been chasing an elite safety for 3-4 years running.

The last regime maybe.

Adams social media stuff would definitely annoy many but it comes down to he wants to be paid.
You have an agreement on extension before you make the trade.

Definitely. But there's the double whammy. The player wants to have his cake and eat it too.

"Trade for me and let me come home to play! (oh but you still have to make me the league's highest paid safety)"

Adams value is no higher in any other city than Dallas. Need at position plus his love for the city. See the huge Dallas Stars D tattooed on him.

So..... discount then?

Stepehen Jones won't make this move but McClay, Jerry, McCarthy and others move the needle and get it done.

I think the idea of a trade was the last, failed attempt to bail out that prior lame coaching staff, just like Cooper was. And I think that idea left when they did.

 

[jterrell]

Yup, we just need a stud playmaker on defense and let our offense have more chances with the ball. To our misfortune, we don't have the "luxury" of drafting high and can't get those kind of players in the draft, especially with the roster we have that will keep us around 8-8. We would need to have a couple of bad years to get elite defensive players.

Offense looked trash and we stole an elite pick in Amari.
Could have much the same effect by adding Jamal Adams.
Career highlights and awards over 2 seasons

• 2× Pro Bowl (2018, 2019)
• First-team All-Pro (2019)
• Second-team All-Pro (2018)
• PFWA All-Rookie Team (2017)
• Second-team All-American (2016)
• First-team All-SEC (2016)
• Second-team All-SEC (2015)

He is so much better than people here wanna acknowledge.

 

[Stash]

Frankly I just don't see this defense becoming elite unless we draft in the top 10 in the next 3 years, and use those resources on the defensive side. We don't need it to be elite though, what we need are a couple of playmakers on that side and lean on our offense.

The defense needs players plural. Not any one guy.

Giving up your top draft asset for a short-timer that you then need to make the highest paid at his position in the league is the opposite of doing that.

 

[Stash]

Earl was 29 coming off major injuries.
Adams is 24 and healthy.
Give me Adams.

Earl also didn't require the 1st round pick on top of the salary.

 

[Stash]

DAL set the league at RB too for a few months.
DAL would be adding a game changing box safety to go with Xavier Woods and Haha who are both off the ball coverage guys.

"Game changing box safety" reads like an anomaly. Someone would have to show me the last team that was a "strong safety away" and won the title after acquiring him.

I'd love Adams to be on the field versus the Eagles.

I would too, he's a great player. And if he was a free agent or had several years on his contract left for cheap, I'd be all in on him too. But since neither of those things are true, the cost is just too high.

 

[jterrell]

7-5 when they had their starting quarterback.



The last regime maybe.



Definitely. But there's the double whammy. The player wants to have his cake and eat it too.

"Trade for me and let me come home to play! (oh but you still have to make me the league's highest paid safety)"



So..... discount then?



I think the idea of a trade was the last, failed attempt to bail out that prior lame coaching staff, just like Cooper was. And I think that idea left when they did.

Jets are still staring up at teams in the division.
DAL has been a division winner or runner up 4 years running.
They aren't the same.

The regime hasn't changed. All the personnel guys are the same. They fired the coach they were strongly considering firing the last couple seasons.
You don't make a major move for a lame duck coach.

17 is a major discount. Adams went pick 6 and has outplayed that slot. He's been All-Pro and team MVP two years running.

 

[Stash]

Jets are still staring up at teams in the division.
DAL has been a division winner or runner up 4 years running.
They aren't the same.

I hope not, but again, those Jets beat these Cowboys the last time they played. Those are the most recent facts.

The regime hasn't changed. All the personnel guys are the same. They fired the coach they were strongly considering firing the last couple seasons.
You don't make a major move for a lame duck coach.

Did you miss where the Cowboys and Jets were talking about the deal last year? With that aforementioned "lame duck coach" here?

17 is a major discount. Adams went pick 6 and has outplayed that slot. He's been All-Pro both seasons of his career.

It's no "discount" when he has one cheap year left on his deal. No.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

 

[cowboygo]

The defense needs players plural. Not any one guy.

Giving up your top draft asset for a short-timer that you then need to make the highest paid at his position in the league is the opposite of doing that.

At what point would you get aggressive? Rams reached a SB going aggressive. The O-Line won't be elite for long. What pains me is that we operated under Garrett as if we had a Harbaugh or a Belichick. Hopefully coaching can elevate the roster this time around, because if we keep holding an 8-8 roster and keeping the same status quo of not having elite players, we are in the same boat as with Garrett. The plan appears to be cap-savvy to stay in contention every year. We don't have a transcedent QB to overcome that. All up to McCarthy imo.

 

[Cowboys22]

I didn't know much about him until the trade rumors started last year so I watched the Jets a few times. He was damn near dominant in the games I watched. I'd love to have a defensive player with his ability and swagger combination. That being said, it's a tough call on whether this would be a good move or not. Dallas is kind of in a unique position with Frederick retiring because they now essentially have $12-14 million in found money cap space for 3-4 years starting next year. They aren't going to use that on a replacement at Center so they could use it on a pro bowl player at a position of need. From that perspective, going and getting Adams might make sense and if they did it, I wouldn't be too upset. However, losing that 5 year rookie deal for a DE, WR, or CB is a lot to give up since they have lost 2 of them from the past 3 years. In no way would I give up more than #17 and it would only happen with a new deal in place but I think I might be inclined to hold off and see what happens in the draft, later this season, and when or if he ever becomes a free agent. If no one I like at 17 is there and I can't trade back, then yeah maybe I pull the trigger if the Jets will do it but I would rather use my picks now, have that 5 year rookie deal, and then pursue a trade in season for him. If I can hit on a 1st round rookie this year, I think I'd be happy to give up next year's 1st to add a player like Adams.

 

[jterrell]

I hope not, but again, those Jets beat these Cowboys the last time they played. Those are the most recent facts.



Did you miss where the Cowboys and Jets were talking about the deal last year? With that aforementioned "lame duck coach" here?



It's no "discount" when he has one cheap year left on his deal. No.

Last comments on this stuff because we aren't covering new ground.

Jets are NOT where DAL is. Any arguments to that effect is sophistry. Jets wanna hit 500 and maybe make the playoffs.
DAL hired a coach with a specific mandate to win it all.

DAL was talking to NYJ because they like the player; it has zero to do with the offensive-minded coach.

17 is a steep discount on what other teams paid for elite DBs recently. --guys they had to sign to big money.
Adams is the best in the league at his position and he is 24.

DAL offered an R1 last year and that didn't get it done.
Maybe 17 will this year.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I would do #17 and a 3rd rounder (2021) for Adams straight up.

Any notions of doing multiple 1st rounders or 2nd rounders is ridiculous.

As many pointed out the price must come down because prospective teams have lost a year of control with Adams.

 

[Stash]

At what point would you get aggressive? Rams reached a SB going aggressive.

And how'd that work out for them? Would you consider that an example of what to do or what not to do?

The O-Line won't be elite for long. What pains me is that we operated under Garrett as if we had a Harbaugh or a Belichick. Hopefully coaching can elevate the roster this time around, because if we keep holding an 8-8 roster and keeping the same status quo of not having elite players, we are in the same boat as with Garrett. The plan appears to be cap-savvy to stay in contention every year. We don't have a transcedent QB to overcome that. All up to McCarthy imo.

I agree that coaching has to make the difference. The Stephen Jones cap model seems to be slow and steady wins the race rather than ever truly 'going for it' from a cap perspective. Once bitten, twice shy I suppose.