One stat to end the Dak debate

HungryLion

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Jimmy G would’ve been an outlier.

We have a lot of Data to go off of.

But.. He didn’t win so no need to debate.. The rookie deal wins again.


I wonder what percentage of first round drafted QB’s ever win a super bowl in their whole careers. Since we are talking about super bowls and we are to believe it’s easy to get a very good QB in the draft.
 

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I wonder what percentage of first round drafted QB’s ever win a super bowl in their whole careers. Since we are talking about super bowls and we are to believe it’s easy to get a very good QB in the draft.
According to Google, just over 55%.
 

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I wonder what percentage of first round drafted QB’s ever win a super bowl in their whole careers. Since we are talking about super bowls and we are to believe it’s easy to get a very good QB in the draft.

There have been 30 1st round QBs drafted from 2010 to 2019.

1 of them won a SB, Mahomes this past season.

I'm sure Catch17 thinks that Paxton Lynch, Rosen, Manziel, Gabbert, Ponder, Tebow, Manuel, Locker, Weeden, Freeman, Darnold, Sanchez, Bortles, Bridgewater, RG3, Bradford, Trubisky, Tannehill, Mariota, and Winston could all step into Dak's shoes and there wouldn't be much of a dropoff like he's claiming with Dalton.

It's just a bad look.
 

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No team in NFL history has ever won a Super Bowl while paying their QB 13% or more of the salary cap.
Dak wants up to 20% of the cap.
It would be highly unlikely for Dallas to be the exception to this rule. Please move on, and start building a deep contender. Thank You.

There never was a QB ranked lower than 12th before Dilffer was the 22nd ranked QB to win a Super Bowl.
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Are you sure?

Brady's cap hit in 2018 was 22 million. In order for that to be less than 13% the salary cap would have to have been 169 million.

At least that was his reported salary for that year, I cannot say this is conclusive but Brady earned over 220 million as a Patriot, difficult to believe that the cap hit was on the low end for all six of those Super Bowls.

You know Brady didn't win the Superbowl in 2018, right? I know he has so many it's hard to keep up. Wish we had that issue...
 

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What will 12% be? Would you figure one year, or length of the contract? That’s tough, because the cap this year is what, 125? 12% of that is what, about 14 or so? What will the cap be in 5 years? Either way, that’s a real head buster. But is there any chance of a new precedent being set?
look at the link catch posted on page 1.
Then use online % calculator.
The cap this 2020 season is 198 mil.
13% this season would be around 26 mil.

The cap hit is manipulated, and pushed back , but what that does is gives you 2 maybe 3 years of a 5 year
contract, where qb cap hit is @ or less than say 13%.

If dak got contract now for 35 mil avg, there would only be a couple years where it would be at 13 % or less.
The higher his avg yearly goes, makes it harder to have any years below 13 %.

If you look at the chiefs, they have one more year to compete for SB, after that mahomes will
be way over the 13 %, other players on team will want big contracts, but chiefs wont be able to keep
them, so that team will fall apart. They will be competitive but no more SB's, so does it make sense to
'pay him 45 mil a year??
And Mahomes is way better than dak, so it would be even harder for dallas to build a SB team once
Dak gets his big deal.

That is why I would just go with dalton and dinucci, and draft a top qb in 21 or 22.
Keep building a great defense, that would make dallas chances way better than putting all the
money on dak somehow doing it.

If dak plays on tag , he would be @ 15 %, so while it is possible to win SB it would go against the
odds.
If dallas had say 10% to buy clowney for one year, the odds are better than no clowney just dak.
 

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No team in NFL history has ever won a Super Bowl while paying their QB 13% or more of the salary cap.
Dak wants up to 20% of the cap.
It would be highly unlikely for Dallas to be the exception to this rule. Please move on, and start building a deep contender. Thank You.

Better cut Mahomes, Wilson, Rogers, Watson too then. :lmao::lmao::lmao2::lmao2:

Another dumb comment debunked instantly.
 

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look at the link catch posted on page 1.
Then use online % calculator.
The cap this 2020 season is 198 mil.
13% this season would be around 26 mil.

The cap hit is manipulated, and pushed back , but what that does is gives you 2 maybe 3 years of a 5 year
contract, where qb cap hit is @ or less than say 13%.

If dak got contract now for 35 mil avg, there would only be a couple years where it would be at 13 % or less.
The higher his avg yearly goes, makes it harder to have any years below 13 %.

If you look at the chiefs, they have one more year to compete for SB, after that mahomes will
be way over the 13 %, other players on team will want big contracts, but chiefs wont be able to keep
them, so that team will fall apart. They will be competitive but no more SB's, so does it make sense to
'pay him 45 mil a year??
And Mahomes is way better than dak, so it would be even harder for dallas to build a SB team once
Dak gets his big deal.

That is why I would just go with dalton and dinucci, and draft a top qb in 21 or 22.
Keep building a great defense, that would make dallas chances way better than putting all the
money on dak somehow doing it.

If dak plays on tag , he would be @ 15 %, so while it is possible to win SB it would go against the
odds.
If dallas had say 10% to buy clowney for one year, the odds are better than no clowney just dak.

This stat is absolutely meaningless. How many QB's have been over 20% in all those years. I would bet in most years its zero. These high salaries have only started recently. Simply not enough data.

And this data does not take into account how any team handles the rest of the salary cap. Probably the most meaningless stat you could post up here.
 

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look at the link catch posted on page 1.
Then use online % calculator.
The cap this 2020 season is 198 mil.
13% this season would be around 26 mil.

The cap hit is manipulated, and pushed back , but what that does is gives you 2 maybe 3 years of a 5 year
contract, where qb cap hit is @ or less than say 13%.

If dak got contract now for 35 mil avg, there would only be a couple years where it would be at 13 % or less.
The higher his avg yearly goes, makes it harder to have any years below 13 %.

If you look at the chiefs, they have one more year to compete for SB, after that mahomes will
be way over the 13 %, other players on team will want big contracts, but chiefs wont be able to keep
them, so that team will fall apart. They will be competitive but no more SB's, so does it make sense to
'pay him 45 mil a year??
And Mahomes is way better than dak, so it would be even harder for dallas to build a SB team once
Dak gets his big deal.

T

This is my current favorite take.

Chiefs should let Mahomes walk.
 

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We really can't use Brady or the Patriots as examples in regards to the norm. They defy all logic.

As of 2013 the highest percentage cap hit was Steve Young at 13.1%. Not sure if any player has beaten that since then but if they did, it wouldn't be by much, and we're probably talking hall of famers. No other team came even close before 2013.
if you read the article posted on page 1, pats are included, brady was never over 13 % when he won,
and the best pat teams were when he was around 6 %.

Rodgers is a very good qb, we can all agree on that, but was he worth the money??
They won a SB I think before he was paid, and after that , has never made it back to a SB, so was he
worth paying?? I think maybe not. Their defense tended to lose games in 4th qtr, in playoffs, so
had they spent more on defense.....

I think KC is going to be like GB , soon as they pay him, that team will start to crumble very fast.
The bottom line is nfl owners let qb salarys get out of control, so now if you get a good one,
you need to win BEFORE you have to pay them, and after that , they are just a fun team to watch.
Some other team will be in the SB.
 

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look at the link catch posted on page 1.
Then use online % calculator.
The cap this 2020 season is 198 mil.
13% this season would be around 26 mil.

The cap hit is manipulated, and pushed back , but what that does is gives you 2 maybe 3 years of a 5 year
contract, where qb cap hit is @ or less than say 13%.

If dak got contract now for 35 mil avg, there would only be a couple years where it would be at 13 % or less.
The higher his avg yearly goes, makes it harder to have any years below 13 %.

If you look at the chiefs, they have one more year to compete for SB, after that mahomes will
be way over the 13 %, other players on team will want big contracts, but chiefs wont be able to keep
them, so that team will fall apart. They will be competitive but no more SB's, so does it make sense to
'pay him 45 mil a year??
And Mahomes is way better than dak, so it would be even harder for dallas to build a SB team once
Dak gets his big deal.

That is why I would just go with dalton and dinucci, and draft a top qb in 21 or 22.
Keep building a great defense, that would make dallas chances way better than putting all the
money on dak somehow doing it.

If dak plays on tag , he would be @ 15 %, so while it is possible to win SB it would go against the
odds.
If dallas had say 10% to buy clowney for one year, the odds are better than no clowney just dak.

Dallas already has a great team and that includes a high salary for Dak. We are in even better shape next year with the salary cap. This angle is just dumb.

Now your trying to say that Mahomes has ONE year to win a SB? LOL

You trolls will say anything no matter how dumb it sounds.
 

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This is my current favorite take.

Chiefs should let Mahomes walk.

Yep...…..dump Mahomes after next season. ahahahahaaha!!!! :lmao2::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Let Rogers, Wilson, Watson, Mahomes all walk and pick up a Dalton for cheap so you can afford an overpriced RB and man you got a SB!!!!!! LOL

:lmao::lmao::lmao2::lmao2:
 

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This is my current favorite take.

Chiefs should let Mahomes walk.
I know it sounds crazy, but they cant have their cake and eat it too.
QB salarys just wont allow it.
They may win again this season, but after that I think their run is over.
 

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No team in NFL history has ever won a Super Bowl while paying their QB 13% or more of the salary cap.
Dak wants up to 20% of the cap.
It would be highly unlikely for Dallas to be the exception to this rule. Please move on, and start building a deep contender. Thank You.

What are the stats for having the highest paid RB and winning a SB. Man we are double screwed. :muttley:
 

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Sorry , I don't read every thread on here. Missing a thread makes all future points on a topic invalid? Duly noted.

Dak's deal will most certainly count for more than 13%. After this off season, do you take Dak to be the type of person to restructure his deal annually to help the cap?
The fact that it doesn't mean anything is what makes the topic invalid.
 

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According to Google, just over 55%.


I would recheck those numbers man. Can’t be anywhere close to right. I’m sure if I go through the last 20 years its nowhere close to it.

perhaps it meant the % of superbowls won by first round QB’s? Not the % of first round QB’s who win superbowls.
 

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Yep...…..dump Mahomes after next season. ahahahahaaha!!!! :lmao2::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Let Rogers, Wilson, Watson, Mahomes all walk and pick up a Dalton for cheap so you can afford an overpriced RB and man you got a SB!!!!!! LOL

:lmao::lmao::lmao2::lmao2:
Well smarty, a question for you, what do you think bellichek would do?
would he pay mahomes , good as he is 45 mil a year?
 
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