News: Details Emerge From The Cowboys Current Offer To Prescott

[HellCrowe]

This. You can pump Dak up with stats, accolades, awards, like ability, etc. the Cowboys see it and offer a generous contract. They actually do like him but Dak is feelin himself. The Cowboys don’t love him that same way.

 

[Frozen700]

Naw I'm saying I think your campaign may be coming to a end....unfortunately....I honestly thought your campaign was going to work honestly. I really thought Stephen and Jerry would listen.

There is still time. It's not over just yet

#DontpayDak

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

C'mon stop trying to twist this around. My point was they cut him a season early to avoid having to pay him more because they didn't trust his knee to hold up, his lack of production was because the Rams didn't use him as much because they didn't trust the knee!!!

........so what is your point? I'm saying they didn't cut him because of his salary and you are saying they cut him because of his knee so what are you actually arguing here? That is the same exact argument. He didn't get cut simply because they couldn't' afford him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

There is still time. It's not over just yet

#DontpayDak

True. Maybe we can change it to #DONTpayDak2024?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

To use other types of markets as examples of what can or does happen in the sporting world is trying to add apples to oranges. The cost or price of pro athletes contracts as in market value always continue to rise until a player is felt to be on the downward side of their careers. Your example of the housing market is an orange in a pile of apples. There are many reasons why a house drops in price. First, like a player, age. Next there could be something being built close by that causes all the homes in that block or area to drop. Things like if there is some open area near by that everyone thinks will be subdivided and homes built but all of a sudden a prison is getting built there. Or because of zoning rules and a larger home is bought and is turned into a half way house so all of the surrounding homes just lost value. In pro sports the market value as a whole just keeps going up every year.
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This isn't true. Values don't always rise and markets reset. The example of housing, was not mine. I didn't introduce it. I'm simply pointing out the issue associated with it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes, it's true that a housing market is more susceptible to a downturn than a market for players in the NFL. But the thing is there is never an oversupply of QB's like there sometimes is with houses, so that's why you can't look at QB's as being susceptible to the other side of the coin the way houses are. There are never enough quality NFL starting QBs to go around, and as long as that's the case the market will dictate a high price.

I used to think that was the case but I no longer believe this because of what we saw just this past off season. I believe that we actually are in a situation where teams believe there are enough QBs to go around. This is why I don't believe that any team is going to pay Dak more then what the Cowboys would. Not a lot of options for Dak right now IMO. The Offenses are easier to run now, then they were in the past. More QBs are playing in these types of Offenses and they are actually running them from HS on. I think it's producing a situation where more QBs are becoming available to NFL teams. Now, only time will tell, to see if this trend continues but in the here and now, I don't think there are a lot of teams for Dak right now. I honestly think the Cowboys are bidding against themselves in this market. That's just my opinion.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

........so what is your point? I'm saying they didn't cut him because of his salary and you are saying they cut him because of his knee so what are you actually arguing here? That is the same exact argument. He didn't get cut simply because they couldn't' afford him.

Your argement was he got cut over production and his contract was not worth the production. I;m saying it is costing the Rams more to release Gurley and find his replacement than it would have been to keep him on the roster this year. This is only about his knee and the Rams belief that it won't hold up. By the way they still need a back to get them 800 yards rushing 39 receptions and 14 TD's to give them what Gurley gave them last season. What will that cost them? 3-4m more to find a back who can try to give them that

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well that is where we Disagree at his absolute best Dak might sneak into the lower end of the top 10 but for me he will never be more than a top 15 QB. Paying him 35m is just a waste of good money

You did not ask me if I felt like he was a top 5 quarterback. You asked me did I feel like he should be paid like a top 5. That's what I'm saying yes to because I do feel like his ceiling is that of a top 5 quarterback. I'd say right now he's a top 10-12 quarterback. Depends who you ask. There are 4 or 5 guys you can argue are better or worse.

The point is though out of all the quarterbacks in his age group like Wentz, Goff, Watson, Mayfield, Mahomes, etc.? Mahomes is the only one who's better than him. So if you are telling me I'm getting one of the best young quarterbacks in the league at 26? I pay top 5 for that. Its not as black and white as getting paid based on how good you are.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Your argement was he got cut over production and his contract was not worth the production. I;m saying it is costing the Rams more to release Gurley and find his replacement than it would have been to keep him on the roster this year. This is only about his knee and the Rams belief that it won't hold up. By the way they still need a back to get them 800 yards rushing 39 receptions and 14 TD's to give them what Gurley gave them last season. What will that cost them? 3-4m more to find a back who can try to give them that

So if Gurley lead the league in rushing last year do they cut him this offseason?

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

So if Gurley lead the league in rushing last year do they cut him this offseason?

If he led the league in rushing (or came close) last season it would be because they used him enough and his knee held up so no they would not have cut him this offseason, but regardless of what he would do this season i think he would have been gone for the 2021 season

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If he led the league in rushing (or came close) last season it would be because they used him enough and his knee held up so no they would not have cut him this offseason, but regardless of what he would do this season i think he would have been gone for the 2021 season

He would'e been gone after the 2021 season even if he lead the league in rushing?

 

[jterrell]

When was Romo ever the highest paid player in the league?

Please list what season that was...………...and if you can find such a season, I suspect you cant, I theoretically would have been against that as well.

I kinda expect things like SB rings if a player wants to be the highest paid in the league.

Do you not remember the "Payton Manning money" comments the Joneses released?
How they expected Tony to live at the facility and such to earn that type of money?

2008 was the first large Romo contract.
In 2013 Dallas signed Romo to the 15th largest contract ever in total money to this day, 108M.
He made 18M AAV with 55M in guarantees. --He retired with 3 years remaining.

Aaron Rodgers was signed the same year to a 22M AAV deal with 54M GTD, 110M So less GTD but slightly more money. AR is arguably the most gifted QB of all-time and won a SB.

Stephen Jones has spent 6 years trying to NEVER do that again. Tony had him over a barrel constantly needing to renegotiate to create cap room yearly.
He had these built in restructures that players had to agree to.
Thought being all players would just take the cash now and not over 16 games but Romo used it as leverage to get more money.

Dak may be the highest paid for a few months but no more. Pat will far surpass his total and then others will rise right up to Pat's deal.
End of day it is the cost of doing business.

1 guy in recent history has given a team discounts. I guess we can hope Dak marries someone worth 400M.

 

[texbumthelife]

if this is true, it pretty much proves how little Dak's camp is willing to sacrifice and come off their demands for a shorter deal. I don't know what the breaking point is for the Cowboys, but I assume there has to be one and a player turning down the wealthiest contract ever would have to put them close to it. So, is he looking for the richest contract ever, but only through 4 years? I'd definitely begin internal discussions about moving on from Dak is this is the case. I've been on the fence and gone back and forth, but if this rumor is true, I am off the fence and fully on the "see ya later" side.

 

[OmerV]

Ok you like to play with words even though you know the meaning, so here it is for you to answer. Do you think Dak is a top 5 QB? and if not then why should he be paid like one? It's simple if you think he is top 5 then he should be paid like that if not he shouldn't

It's really not that simple because pay is not linked to a Sport's Illustrated or ESPN poll ranking the QB's. It's tied to supply and demand - market factors - as of the time a contract is being negotiated. Do you really think anyone believes the multitude of QBs making more than Mahomes are really better than Mahomes? Of course they don't. It's not a matter of how Mahomes ranks relative to others, it's just a matter of him not being at a point of negotiating a new contract right now. And if Dak gets more money than Rodgers, for example, it won't be a statement that he is a better QB, it will simply be that he is negotiating a new contract this year, and Rodgers is not.

 

[Frozen700]

True. Maybe we can change it to #DONTpayDak2024?

Look if we have to keep him. Hopefully he takes less.

Can you agree he's being a little bit greedy?

#DontpayDak

 

[dagreat1_87]

at this point, if these numbers are correct, i'm starting to convert over to "annoyed with Dak" group. it's a one year difference from what he wants, and he would be the highest paid player...i could see if it was a Tyron smith 10 year contract situation, but its not. I really don't get that problem here Dak. but again, thats if the numbers are correct.

 

[Adreme]

Numbers tell a different story, we were Ranked 10th in total yards given up 9th in passing yards allowed and 11th in run yards allowed and 10th in points per game given up. Where we lacked was in turnovers. We were a solid D last year, this year i expect us to be a little worse we lost some very good players

I have it as a bottom 10 secondary because it got drastically worse. Corner is a far more important position than Safety, and the hope for the corner position is that a rookie, in a shortened offseason, can step in and be a mediocre start and if that happens they are average to above average as a secondary, but as a rule I do not bet on rookies making contributions outside of the first round.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

He would'e been gone after the 2021 season even if he lead the league in rushing?

If his knee is holding up then maybe they keep him and try to restructure, but his knee won't hold up moot point

 

[Kwyn]

$35 mill a year and over $100 million guaranteed and the dude is saying "nah, not good enough".

Seriously, is there anybody on this board that thinks Dak is worth this type of coin? Being the highest paid player in the history of the entire NFL?

Dude has one playoff win...………..ONE PLAYOFF WIN!!!!!

I'm sorry, but Dak is not worth this much, he just aint. I like the guy, have his jersey I wear on gamedays, but no way in hell am I making Dak the highest paid player in the history of the league. Call me hater all you want, but dude aint worth it.

What is your proposed alternative?

Sign Dalton to a long term extension after this season and make him our new franchise QB?

Sign Cam? Keep in mind, with his pedigree and, he’s going to expect to be the #1 UFA QB next year with Mahomes and Watson being able to reset the market with their extensions

Spend a 1st round pick next year on QB and start over? If so, what does that do to the rest of the aging roster we have? Do we just consider our window closed and do a rebuild?

It’s easy to say “He doesn’t deserve it”, and you may actually be right, but refusing to extend him leaves us with a massive problem and a huge amount of uncertainty about the franchise

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Look if we have to keep him. Hopefully he takes less.

Can you agree he's being a little bit greedy?

#DontpayDak

Greedy? Depends. I feel he has every right to be greedy just like any other person in this world. As a fan? Of course I want him to sign a favorable deal. As a human being? I can't call you greedy if you are asking for what you feel you are worth and what you feel you can get paid. The employer always has the opportunity to #dontpaydak lol.