Notable QB's Records When D Gives up 30pts

[jazzcat22]

Umm...the Eagles beat the Patriots 41-33 in 2018....so doesn;t that qualify as 30+ points given up by the defense? Oh, and Patriots gave up 28 points in 2017 against the Falcons and 29 points in 2004 against the Panthers....but you stick with your magical 30+ points line.

I didn't create the 30 point margin. I just responded to it. And you obviously did not read my post correctly.

 

[ondaedg]

Umm...the Eagles beat the Patriots 41-33 in 2018....so doesn;t that qualify as 30+ points given up by the defense? Oh, and Patriots gave up 28 points in 2017 against the Falcons and 29 points in 2004 against the Panthers....but you stick with your magical 30+ points line.

Are you suggesting that how many points your defense gives up doesn't affect how many games a team can win? Because that is the most crushable statement I've ever heard related to football. There are some exceptions but exceptions aren't the rule.

Math says you are dead wrong.

 

[Carson]

"Cowboys offer on the table (5 yrs, $35M APY, $106M+ gteed) would likely make Dak the highest-paid player in the history of football."

wow if this is true Im no longer a Dak fan. This is outrageous for him not to sign

Exactly.

He apparently wants a 4 year as opposed to 5. Just so he can cash out big time twice it seems

 

[ondaedg]

I stand corrected then if true. But still he's the only one then.

Exceptions like Eli aren't the rule so don't sweat it.

 

[MarcusRock]

"Cowboys offer on the table (5 yrs, $35M APY, $106M+ gteed) would likely make Dak the highest-paid player in the history of football."

wow if this is true Im no longer a Dak fan. This is outrageous for him not to sign

If a player's contract negotiation causes you to no longer be a fan, you weren't one to start. What it DOES show is that you're an other person money begrudger. Got plenty of company on here.

 

[CowboysRule]

If a player's contract negotiation causes you to no longer be a fan, you weren't one to start. What it DOES show is that you're an other person money begrudger. Got plenty of company on here.

If it causes you to no longer be a fan of the player, there is nothing wrong with that. Dak wants more than he is worth. That is a fact. He wants to be the highest paid QB in the league, if he was the best QB in the league I wouldn't be complaining. But he just isn't. He needs help around him. You can't get (and keep) that help if he is tying up $35-$40m worth of cap space. If just looking at the facts make me a "hater", then I guess I am a hater.

 

[BigD_95]

Exactly.

He apparently wants a 4 year as opposed to 5. Just so he can cash out big time twice it seems

pretty sad when a player has to wait an extra year making 35 million until he can cash out again. It is just unreal

 

[kskboys]

"Cowboys offer on the table (5 yrs, $35M APY, $106M+ gteed) would likely make Dak the highest-paid player in the history of football."

wow if this is true Im no longer a Dak fan. This is outrageous for him not to sign

Dak and his crew have been bad faith negotiators from the start.

 

[BigD_95]

If a player's contract negotiation causes you to no longer be a fan, you weren't one to start. What it DOES show is that you're an other person money begrudger. Got plenty of company on here.

we are talking a fan of Dak & not the Cowboys. I will always be a fan of the Cowboys

As far as Dak goes I was not the biggest fan of his. I liked Dak and felt he is good enough to win with but I never felt he is one of the 5 best QB's in the league. I have even said I dont care if Cowboys offer him a little more so he can become the highest paid QB because I get that is how contracts work. His is up.

But Dallas caving on making him the highest (when Wentz & Goff didnt get that) and offering a guy 106+ million guaranteed and he is turning it down just so he can get to the open market 1 year faster is outrageous. It is pure greed. Sorry at that point I have an issue. I cant help it.

Would Dak take 30 million a year for 4 years and 85 million guaranteed? Then he gets his 4 year deal. We know the answer is he wouldnt. Dak has to have everything his way. He wants to be the highest paid with high percentage of guaranteed and the amount of years he wants. Pure greed. I hope they move on from him. Should have went after Brady.

 

[ondaedg]

Exactly.

He apparently wants a 4 year as opposed to 5. Just so he can cash out big time twice it seems

So you're no longer a fan because he wants to maximize his earning potential?

 

[phildadon86]

Dak was terrible in the LA playoff game until garbage hour against their prevent defense. His arm gave us zero chance to win that game. Same story against anyone good last year. The man did not engineer a single 4th quarter comeback in 2019. But wait, lets harken back to 2016.

But no worries, Jerry is trying to buy more. The offer is now 35 million annually with 106M guaranteed. We should have 8-8 sewn up for the foreseeable future.

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-east/da...uhX2N5kk5fkyr6aKef65uOnOFmbnNg8QVCV627-XHXVic

Haha. The same game where the offense for the rams knew what we were running on defense before the snap and thE same defense that let CJ Anderson run for 100 plus yards? Hahaha yeah let’s blame Dak. Zeke and his 40 somethings yards really helped us. But it’s all daks fault lol

 

[Redline360]

So whats the point of this? Just to show he's in the same company as others when the defense is a disaster? Welcome to football...

Why it's a team game

 

[Swanny]

Just saying

To include some of the older names is a bit unfair. 30 points used to be a crazy amount of points. In today's NFL 30 points isn't crazy. But still I somewhat agree with the point of the post. It's never only the QBs fault. But the QB is always the one who gets all the credit as well

 

[kskboys]

D wins championships, as always. Which translated means you won't win a championship w/o a Defense. Which makes what Jerry has been doing the last 10 years extremely foolish.

 

[MarcusRock]

we are talking a fan of Dak & not the Cowboys. I will always be a fan of the Cowboys

As far as Dak goes I was not the biggest fan of his. I liked Dak and felt he is good enough to win with but I never felt he is one of the 5 best QB's in the league. I have even said I dont care if Cowboys offer him a little more so he can become the highest paid QB because I get that is how contracts work. His is up.

But Dallas caving on making him the highest (when Wentz & Goff didnt get that) and offering a guy 106+ million guaranteed and he is turning it down just so he can get to the open market 1 year faster is outrageous. It is pure greed. Sorry at that point I have an issue. I cant help it.

Would Dak take 30 million a year for 4 years and 85 million guaranteed? Then he gets his 4 year deal. We know the answer is he wouldnt. Dak has to have everything his way. He wants to be the highest paid with high percentage of guaranteed and the amount of years he wants. Pure greed. I hope they move on from him. Should have went after Brady.

Oh I know the fan context you stated. But the market is what the market is for QBs. They're the most important player on the field. No one thought Stafford was the best when he got paid either. Wentz and Goff got their deals last year so this year the price is higher for a QB you can argue is better than they are. But fans here really think the FO is going to try to reset that market? Not going to happen and that's just what people want because they don't like the amounts being given out. Key word, "given." It's always the players that take the flack but the owners give the amounts in the end yet barely get a scoff.

The crux of my post is that you can see a rumored offer, know nothing about the structure which is most important in a deal, and because Dak didn't jump at it, you're no longer a fan of his. This proves that you weren't a fan and that because it's money YOU would probably jump at, Dak's greedy for not taking it. Not a shred of investigation necessary about the contract's structure. You saw something to support the point of view you already had in you as well as everyone else "outraged" by Dak not taking the offer. So now because the eventual amount is going to be higher than fans want, they now wish to "punish" Dak by no longer being a fan. As I've said before, players don't deal in the piker currency of being liked. They're out to get theirs and that upsets people for some reason. It's true even in sports that don't have a salary cap, which makes for a good cover in the NFL. This isn't hard to see.

 

[Hawkeye19]

"Cowboys offer on the table (5 yrs, $35M APY, $106M+ gteed) would likely make Dak the highest-paid player in the history of football."

wow if this is true Im no longer a Dak fan. This is outrageous for him not to sign

Agreed. It is clear that Dak and his agent are anticipating the massive contracts that Mahommes, Jackson, and Watson are going to get so they are holding out to get Dak into that stratosphere. Ridiculous. And selfish.

I think forcing him to play on the tag is the best option at this point. Let him pout and avoid off season activities-- and then let him deal with all the pressure once it is clear Dalton is ahead of him in absorbing the new offense and is able to run the offense efficiently.

Pride goes before a fall. Dak is over-valuing his worth, and if he plays on the tag and has a mediocre year, his value will absolutely crater.

 

[BigD_95]

Oh I know the fan context you stated. But the market is what the market is for QBs. They're the most important player on the field. No one thought Stafford was the best when he got paid either. Wentz and Goff got their deals last year so this year the price is higher for a QB you can argue is better than they are. But fans here really think the FO is going to try to reset that market? Not going to happen and that's just what people want because they don't like the amounts being given out. Key word, "given." It's always the players that take the flack but the owners give the amounts in the end yet barely get a scoff.

The crux of my post is that you can see a rumored offer, know nothing about the structure which is most important in a deal, and because Dak didn't jump at it, you're no longer a fan of his. This proves that you weren't a fan and that because it's money YOU would probably jump at, Dak's greedy for not taking it. Not a shred of investigation necessary about the contract's structure. You saw something to support the point of view you already had in you as well as everyone else "outraged" by Dak not taking the offer. So now because the eventual amount is going to be higher than fans want, they now wish to "punish" Dak by no longer being a fan. As I've said before, players don't deal in the piker currency of being liked. They're out to get theirs and that upsets people for some reason. It's true even in sports that don't have a salary cap, which makes for a good cover in the NFL. This isn't hard to see.

I have no issues paying Dak a little more than Wilson just so he can say he is the highest paid player in the NFL. I do not think any fan would say they think Dak is the best QB in the NFL or better than Wilson. But most understand that is how contracts work (when your up you get paid more).

This whole contract structure you speak of is honesty nonsense. We know Dallas isnt doing anything out of normal contracts and the important part is the guaranteed which is at least 106 million. So I'm not playing a game there could be some off wording in the structure because when that happens the reports are that both sides agree to the principle terms and just need to fine tune the language. How many times as sports fans have we seen that being reported? Too many times to be counted.

The real issue is the amount of years. lets be honest here. That is the issue I now have with Dak. Its outrageous for him to turn this down. Plain and simple.

 

[kskboys]

Oh I know the fan context you stated. But the market is what the market is for QBs. They're the most important player on the field. No one thought Stafford was the best when he got paid either. Wentz and Goff got their deals last year so this year the price is higher for a QB you can argue is better than they are. But fans here really think the FO is going to try to reset that market? Not going to happen and that's just what people want because they don't like the amounts being given out. Key word, "given." It's always the players that take the flack but the owners give the amounts in the end yet barely get a scoff.

The crux of my post is that you can see a rumored offer, know nothing about the structure which is most important in a deal, and because Dak didn't jump at it, you're no longer a fan of his. This proves that you weren't a fan and that because it's money YOU would probably jump at, Dak's greedy for not taking it. Not a shred of investigation necessary about the contract's structure. You saw something to support the point of view you already had in you as well as everyone else "outraged" by Dak not taking the offer. So now because the eventual amount is going to be higher than fans want, they now wish to "punish" Dak by no longer being a fan. As I've said before, players don't deal in the piker currency of being liked. They're out to get theirs and that upsets people for some reason. It's true even in sports that don't have a salary cap, which makes for a good cover in the NFL. This isn't hard to see.

You're really only referring to a tiny number of fans.

 

[38 Special]

Just saying

I think you make a great point. In a playoff environment, playing against playoff caliber defenses, you can’t expect to win games with a bad defense, no matter who you have at QB. So, if even the best of QB’s can’t win with a lousy defense, maybe it makes more sense to use our limited salary cap space on defensive players instead of a QB who apparently wants more than $35MM/year.

 

[tyke1doe]

So how many games did those quarterbacks win when their offenses scored 30 or more?