Arguments against Dak's demands, and analysis of the payment to QB

[America's Cowboy]

**pfffffffffffft**

That's me letting out a deep exasperated exhale.

 

[Captain-Crash]

#DontpayDak

 

[Hawkeye0202]

What are Dak's demands? From what I understand he wants a 4 year deal and the Cowboys want 5 - or something like that. But is this true?

We can debate all year if Dak's demands are reasonable or not, but first we need to know exactly what Dak is asking for that the Cowboys are not willing to give.

Good point! or vice versa, what the Cowboys are asking that Dak isn't willing to give, especially when you consider money he ALREADY has on the table.

 

[mcmvp]

lol - there is so much wrong with this.

First is the thread title/premise. The reality is we don't know what Dak's demands are. There are all sorts of different media reports on this that don't agree, and none of it is substantiated by any known source that would have access to the facts. Plus media speculation has been proven unreliable so often it's hard to believe fans take any of it seriously.

Second, what happened with players and contracts 5-10 years ago is irrelevant. Teams don't offer contracts based on 5-10 years ago, they offer them based on current market conditions and whatever they can negotiate. Same on the players side.

Third, Wentz did not guide his team to the Super Bowl in 2018 - not a single game he played in during the Eagles Super Bowl season was in 2018, plus the Eagles did not have the division locked up when Wentz went down, much less a trip to the Super Bowl.

Fourth, where is the corruption you suggested? If you think contracts are ill advised, that's okay, you can have that opinion, but even if you are right, that's not a sign of corruption, that's just a bad business decision.

A final comment .... while I agree prices for QBs seem crazy, all these teams paying QBs between $25-35 million/year are owned by very wealthy people who pay very well educated and highly experienced people to help them make these kinds of decisions, so they have to feel there is a benefit to paying those prices that goes beyond what a poster on this site sees.

Wentz got the Eagles the division before he went down. Foles just had to win just one more game for the number one seed..all against mediocre to bad teams. So to say he had nothing to do with it is being intellectually dishonest at a bare minimum.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The argument here is that looking at the examples, it is not required to pay a QB what they want to win a Superbowl, which is what the Joneses want, the examples are in the 10 highest paid QB, the only exception I see is Big Ben. , he does deserve that salary that they are paying him, he has already been to 3 Superbowls, but paying Dak does not guarantee winning a Superbowl, just spending the money to improve the team, and for example hiring another veteran QB to help Dalton if At some point it can't, the point is that the cowboys can be competitive to win a superbowl, not that Dak's crying boy gets paid to maybe win a superbowl, Dak isn't the insurance. buy scarves to the crying boy.

but each of those QBs were highly paid at the time the contract were signed, at the top or top 3...over time those salaries seem reasonable...so paying dak $35 today, might seem high, 2 years from now its average.....none of them made it the first year they paid their QBs..

Brady is an exception as he always took less than market....at his prime he could have demanded highest salary and nobody would blink....

and you just advocated for paying a QB, for past performance...ala Ben!

 

[Captain-Crash]

if dak was on the Philly team and Wentz was on our team, you would hear the same crap. Dak sucks our Wentz is the best player in the NFL. just the mental cowboy's mentality.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Re-sign Dak to the four year deal he wants, but let this be his last contract with us. Develop Ben DiNucci then re-sign Ben, a year before his contract ends, to be our starter. Problem solved.

 

[DFWJC]

Yes, if you feel that Dalton is on the same level or better than Prescott.

Matter of opinion. In this case, theres only one that matters and he has made his position clear.

Me? I dont care who the QB is, I just want to have a chance at not being done in early January for a change.

Not my argument but I suspect his would be.....
Dalton PLUS about 29 million worth of other players (take your pick on who or how many) vs Dak. Not just Dalton vs Dak.

 

[Verdict]

Ok, one more time. Contract negotiations have nothing to do with who DESERVES what based on whatever.

It has everything to do with what each sides alternative is.

Prescott is holding most of those cards, because the team is built to contend during the term of the contract, and Jerry isnt going to let that go. He cant jump on Amazon (or Texaco as Parcells liked to say) and get a replacement.

Is Prescott the BEST QB? No, but when he signs his deal he will be the highest paid until someone who is better becomes a free agent also, and that's how it's going to be.

The team has options. They can choose not to pay Dak. At some point, teams will stop easing cap space on average QBs.

Dak is a top 10 QB. Maybe top 5. But he is being a greedy guy right now.

 

[fivetwos]

The team has options. They can choose not to pay Dak. At some point, teams will stop easing cap space on average QBs.

Dak is a top 10 QB. Maybe top 5. But he is being a greedy guy right now.

Probably, but we don't know for sure what's holding things up.

And I'm not defending him or his position.

But he hired agents to get him the most money, and they know Jerry is going to cave, so they are just waiting for it. Itll happen. We all know.

Jerry isnt going to choose to not take his last shot at a SB. If he didnt waste a full decade on his puppet coach, he may not be so desperate, but he is...and #4 will get his way.

 

[kskboys]

We really need a Dak Zone.

X gadzillions. X gadzillions.

 

[kskboys]

Players get paid what owners are willing to pay. That is the formula. End of story.

Absolutely nothing else matters, especially what fans think.

Then why are you here posting what you think?

 

[Clove]

Players get paid what owners are willing to pay. That is the formula. End of story.

Absolutely nothing else matters, especially what fans think.

This.
Don’t know why we’re so worried about his pay, we’re not writing the check. And a good GM knows how to work around the cap. Btw, I don’t see how all the Dak haters are upset with him wanting less years. They should love that.

Name me one person on this forum that would take less at their job for the team? How about zero.

 

[Qcard]

If we look at the highest paid QBs and their history of superbowl and superbowl wins appearances, we will see a reality that should change, first let's look at Aaron Rodgers, he was selected in 2005 and it was until 2011 that he led packers to the superbowl and they won it. Between those years he had a salary between 10M and 22M per year, it was until 2018 that he was given a contract for an average salary of 33.5M per year, at the age of 34, since 2011 he has not had appearances in a Superbowl again. and from what you see he is in the final stretch of his career because he is already 36 years old.

Now let's look at Russel Wilson, he was selected in 2012, it was until 2014 that he led the Seahawks to the superbowl and they won it, and he had another appearance in the superbowl the following year and lost him. After winning the superbowl he was given a contract of 21.9 M per year, and it was until 2019 that he was given the 35M contract per year, at the age of 30, since 2015 he has not had appearances in superbowls, and this year 2020 he does not have very high expectations to get back to a superbowl

now it's Ben Roethlisberger's turn, he was selected in 2004, it was in 2006 that he had an appearance in the superbowl and they won it, then in 2009 they came back to the superbowl and they won it, and in 2011 they came again and this once they lost it. Between 2006 and 2011 he had a presence in the superbowl Ben had a salary between 14.6M and 21.8M, it was until 2019 that he was given the average 34M salary per year, at the age of 37, from 2011 has had no appearance at the Superbowl, and has no high expectations of reappearance.

Matt Ryan, selected in 2008 in the first round, led his team to the superbowl until 2017, his contracts before playing the superbowl between 2008 and 2017 was between 11.2M and 20.7M, until 2018 he received a 30M contract per year at 33 years. has little prospect of returning to the superbowl

These contracts can be said to be fair, but they are still excessive because there is no certainty that they will return to a Superbowl, the following contracts are a sign of corruption that is affecting current contracts, bad business, hasty and baseless.

It is the turn of Jared Goff, he was selected in 2016 selected number one global, and it was in 2019 that he had an appearance in superbowl which they lost, he just signed a contract for 33.5M at the age of 25, very hasty in my opinion. has medium expectations of returning to the superbowl,

Carson Wentz, selected in 2016 and had an appearance and guided the eagles to the superbowl in 2018, the same won but by the hand of Nick Foles, in 2019 he signed a very hasty contract of 32M per year, since he is very prone to get injured, you have a good chance of going back to a superbowl,

Kirk Cousins, selected in 2012, has had no superbowl appearances, just received a 28M contract per year, at age 33, bad contract,

Jacoby Brissett, selected in 2016, does not have appearances in the super bowl, he has not achieved anything, in 2019 he was given a salary of 27.98 M at the age of 27 very bad contract.

Jimmy Garoppolo, selected in 2014, had an appearance in the superbowl as a substitute for Brady in 2015, it was until 2019 that he led San Francisco to the super bowl which they lost. in 2018 he receives a contract that averages 27.5M per year at the age of 26. a regular contract, since it is not an elite QB,

Finally, Matthew Stafford, the first round selection in 2009, has no super bowl appearances, nor has he achieved anything, but in 2017 he was given a contract of 27M per year, another bad contract, but the price of being the same is the same. selection 1 of the draft,

If we compare them with the great Tom Brady, they are far from his quality in all aspects, Brady has had a maximum salary of 25M but throughout his career he has been between 12M and 19M per year, in summary Dak's ego is very high, pretending to win more than several that in a way have done something to deserve a high contract, but from what we saw, having a better paid QB in the league does not guarantee that he will win a Superbowl, a team does not need a QB with many dollars, I require that they invest in the entire team and make it competitive, so for me Dak is a moron, an opportunist, who should not be part of the jeans, with Dak or without Dak The team has a chance of making it to the Superbowl because it has talent on its roster. Dak is a squeaky kid, hopefully the Joneses soon get tired and look for another alternative, and focus on the team and not Dak, Dak is not a guarantee of winning a Superbowl, the guarantee is to have a very good team around your QB,

Update your software sir!!

This is 2020 under new CBA agreement.

We don't use Whale Oil anymore

 

[Stash]

Probably, but we don't know for sure what's holding things up.

And I'm not defending him or his position.

But he hired agents to get him the most money, and they know Jerry is going to cave, so they are just waiting for it. Itll happen. We all know.

Jerry isnt going to choose to not take his last shot at a SB. If he didnt waste a full decade on his puppet coach, he may not be so desperate, but he is...and #4 will get his way.

Don't forget that it's Little Enos' M.O. as well. He talks tough, negotiates poorly, and ends up paying the player what they wanted anyway. Then comes the spin about what a great deal it is for the Cowboys. Lawrence got his, Zeke got his, Cooper got his, and Dak will get his. Our 'lead negotiator' isn't good at his job. But his last name is Jones.

 

[OmerV]

Wentz got the Eagles the division before he went down. Foles just had to win just one more game for the number one seed..all against mediocre to bad teams. So to say he had nothing to do with it is being intellectually dishonest at a bare minimum.

I didn't say he had nothing to do with it, I said he didn't lead them to the Super Bowl. That said, I went back and looked, and you are right that they did have the division in hand when he went down, so Wentz can get credit for leading the team to the division win. Not the Super Bowl though,

 

[mcmvp]

I didn't say he had nothing to do with it, I said he didn't lead them to the Super Bowl. That said, I went back and looked, and you are right that they did have the division in hand when he went down, so Wentz can get credit for leading the team to the division win. Not the Super Bowl though,

Obviously he didn’t win the SB because he wasn’t playing. But the Eagles do not win the SB that year without him playing the way he did. Foles had to beat one crappy team out of 3 to get the one seed. Wentz was a huge reason he was in that position. He was a huge reason why the team could galvanize for a short run...it was because they were in a position of strength from the regular season’s success up to that point....and they could come together for a short time in an effort not to blow the opportunity they had.

I don’t think any reasonable football fan believes the Eagles would have had the one seed if Foles was the starter all year.

 

[marius]

Stephen Jones: I think so. I mean at the end of the day I know everybody’s out there “how have you not paid Dak?” At the same time, Dak has to, we’ve tried to pay him, and he has to accept what we want to pay him. But the deal’s got to be right for Dak. It’s got to be right for us. As you know Mike the salary cap makes this a zero sum game for owners. This is not something where Jerry and myself are trying to save money so the Cowboys can make more money for the Jones family. We’re just trying to do our very best working with Mike, working with Will McClay, to really divide up the pie in the best way possible to win a Super Bowl. There’s all sorts of analytics out there that show if your quarterback takes up too big a percentage of your salary cap, that it decreases your chances to win.

 

[OmerV]

Obviously he didn’t win the SB because he wasn’t playing. But the Eagles do not win the SB that year without him playing the way he did. Foles had to beat one crappy team out of 3 to get the one seed. Wentz was a huge reason he was in that position. He was a huge reason why the team could galvanize for a short run...it was because they were in a position of strength from the regular season’s success up to that point....and they could come together for a short time in an effort not to blow the opportunity they had.

I don’t think any reasonable football fan believes the Eagles would have had the one seed if Foles was the starter all year.

Again, I didn't say Wentz made no contribution to the Eagles that season, I said he didn't lead them to the Super Bowl. And you are exactly right - he didn't play in the playoffs, so how in the world could anyone credit him for leading the team to the Super Bowl? What he did was lead them to a playoff birth, but it would be ridiculous to give him credit for what happened in the playoffs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He signed someone who is not a top 30 QB. All Dalton is capable of making you good enough to not pick in the top 10 so you will never be really able to find a viable replacement. You replace a top 7-13 QB with a someone in the 28-35 range and all you have is a team that will be trapped in QB purgatory.

And you base this on what?

So in reading your post, your idea is to what, just pay anything a given player demands? This is all opinion on your part. I don't buy into the purgatory angle TBH. We are a team who has drafted Starting QBs in the 10th Rd, the 3rd Rd (Twice), the 4th Rd and even a UFA. If you look at our history, only Troy was a 1st round pick. We are the last team who should view the QB position in this manner IMO.

Don't agree at all...