I was just wondering if it's the older fans who see what I see in Dak

[ABQCOWBOY]

So, was just watching First Take. Interesting stat that I didn't realize, last year. Dak at QB didn't lead one game winning drive last year. That can't be right yeah?

 

[yimyammer]

I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

I'm the same age of you but I see Dak's leadership and character as his strongest asset

My only concern for him is his passing accuracy and anticipation with his throws

but I'm just an armchair QB pontificating from my proverbial couch so ymmv

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Where was this mythical leadership last season? You know, when the team quit.

the offense quit? I wasn't aware, given we were #1 offense in the league...

the team quit on the coaches....come on dude, you are strrrreeetttccchhhiiinnnggg way too far

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So, was just watching First Take. Interesting stat that I didn't realize, last year. Dak at QB didn't lead one game winning drive last year. That can't be right yeah?

you watch first take...you lost me right there....First Take is national enquirer of sports.....that's about it...

 

[Aviano90]

Nope...we're good. I wanted YOUR opinion. YEs I know you want to go read someone else's. You said his leadership was his best quality, but want to me to go read someone else's opinion about it.

It's okay...no issue...but I didn't get YOUR opinion other than somone ELSE's opinion.

I didn't say it was his best quality, I said it MAY be his greatest strength. None of us have first hand knowledge of his leadership, we can only take someone else's opinions, if we're being honest. There is a ton of high praise from players/coaches and insiders and I have zero reason to dispute their first hand knowledge of his abilities. I'd be pulling crap out of my butt (like most of his haters are doing now) if I tried.

I would like to ask your opinion though. If you don't feel that his leadership abilities may be his greatest strength, what other attributes of his would you rank higher than leadership?

 

[Darkhound]

i am 43 and there are divided opinions on Dak. I agree with the OP... IMO DAK is at most and average QB that is demanding top dollar. Hope we get rid of him.

 

[Texas2Step41]

I just can’t take anyone seriously who questions Dak’s leadership. His leadership may be his greatest strength.

Right lmao

 

[Vtwin]

Have you played a team sport? If so, you'd recognize that playing hurt week 16 is nothing to scoff at. That is putting your body on the line, on a contract year. Did it get the job done? No. But this "mythical" leadership is just a ridiculous response.

My response had absolutley nothing to do with Dak's performance in that one game.

Yes, I have played team sports all my life.

 

[kskboys]

I like Jon Kitna actually. Hoped we would keep him. That may have been the 1 bad move MM made. Wouldn't be shocked if he gets brought back later. Dak thru for almost 5k yards in 2019. That's not NFL LEVEL? My lord, all the guy did was run the offense and do what they asked. Part of the problem was Garrett handcuffed him too often. He would have thrown for 5500 yards in 2019 had he been allowed to be Dak. Plus a playoff berth. The down side would have been we would still have Garrett.

Counting the number of yards doesn't prove that, no.

Did you notice the change in Romo around 09? He learned to play QB instead of just slinging it. Winston threw for more than Dak, and got cut. Why? He wasn't good. Counting yards is only one step of evaluation. It's part of the sum, of course, but not the sole deciding factor. That's pappydog stuff.

 

[KJJ]

I stopped reading when I saw Pat Haden on that list.

 

[kskboys]

I just turned 50 and I think people focus too much on one aspect of QB play while ignoring all the little things that he brings to the table.

Fans get way too caught up in the salary CAP as well. Just pay the guy and move forward.

"Just paying the guy" puts you in salary cap hades. Check out the Rams who "just paid him". Might want to rethink that one.

 

[Vtwin]

Well I wondered if they all just wanted JG gone lol so quit as a team or part of the team.
But if they didnt then yeah daks leader ship couldnt get the team going.

And I will say here that with JG as HC, and that staff, it makes it hard to accurately evaluate any of the
dallas players.
I am all for dak playing one year on the tag to see what he can do under MM.

That's possible but if true you still have to question the attitude and leadership for allowing it to happen. Especially while the post season is only one win away.

I personally remember teams quitting on lost cause season but never while in the position to win the division and advance to the playoffs.

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Everyone you just mentioned has been chiming in regularly, yet the Cowboys still haven't been to the Super Bowl since 1995.
With that kind of expertise, you would think they could have righted the ship a long time ago if their opinions were the science of football.
But, since they haven't helped, and the Cowboys franchise continues to spin wildly down a tube, I'll trust my judgement as much as any of theirs.
Sometimes a view from the cheap seats gives a more accurate perspective.

Albeit one sided.

 

[Doomsday]

"Just paying the guy" puts you in salary cap hades. Check out the Rams who "just paid him". Might want to rethink that one.

No it doesn't the CAP keeps going up and there is more than one way to win a championship. It just means they have to draft well in order to keep talent around him.

 

[DandyDon52]

That's possible but if true you still have to question the attitude and leadership for allowing it to happen. Especially while the post season is only one win away.

I personally remember teams quitting on lost cause season but never while in the position to win the division and advance to the playoffs.

u are right, but that was the only way to get a new HC.

 

[CouchCoach]

I am not sure what age has to do with this because as I've aged, I haven't necessarily become more astute in evaluating QB's. I have watched him play most of his games, starting in his junior year at Miss St.

I also don't get any dig at Prescott's leadership, even the Dakaters give him that.

Do I wish he was more consistently accurate and maybe not as careful with the ball? Yep, but that's his game. I think the main reason he is careful with the ball is because how he got his starting job in high school, college and the NFL. Never good enough to beat the other guys out but good enough to keep those guys on the bench when they did come back. I tell ya, if there is a grade for instilling confidence in your child, Prescott's Mom gets an A+.

There are two things about Dak Prescott that really got my attention and the second one is really hard to explain. One, he understands the QB role as well as any NFL QB, and better than most. He understands it is to win the game, it's not about stats, it's about leading his team and executing the offense and utilizing the weapons. And he wasn't weapon rich in college.

Two, the intangibles. How in the hell does a guy get the QB1 job in high school, college and pros the same exact way and not lose it back? I saw an interview with Dan Mullen, his Miss St. HC, and he was at a loss for words and said that if Prescott had played that way to get the job, he might have won it outright. His high school coach said the same thing. When he got the call to take over, he shifted into this other QB.

Has he got flaws? Sure. Is he the worst starting QB? No, not by a long shot.

When in the hell did Cowboys fans become so entitled that they feel they have to have some stud QB? Like Staubach and Aikman didn't need players around them and both had a hell of a lot more HOFers than Prescott is going to see with his teams. They also had top level D's, the QB's best friend.

Back to that first para up there. I subrogate my opinion about QB's to the ones that have played the position or coached it. I've seen damned few not say he can play the position and the latest is a HC trying to make a come back and prove himself and he's willing to ride with this QB. Good enough for me.

 

[Vtwin]

the offense quit? I wasn't aware, given we were #1 offense in the league...

the team quit on the coaches....come on dude, you are strrrreeetttccchhhiiinnnggg way too far

Who was sitting on the sidelines instead of in the game at the end?

You're ok with a team needing one win to clinch the division quiting on the coaches in that very game?

How does an exceptional leader like Dak allow HIS team to quit on the coaches, especially while they are still very much in contention?

There is some stretching going on here but not by me.

 

[gimmesix]

I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

I think some older fans (and I'm around your age) see players like Staubach through rose-colored glasses. There are a lot of accolades Staubach deserves, but there were times when the defense and the running game carried the team while Staubach was either struggling or so-so. Without the teams built around him, fans probably wouldn't view Staubach in the same light. Same with Aikman, who benefited from No. 1 defenses and a great running game so he didn't have to carry the team. Maybe he could because Aikman threw some of the most accurate timing-based passes I've seen, but maybe he would have just been a very good quarterback who floundered on a bad team.

I think quarterbacks get too much credit and too much blame for how the team does in a lot of aspects. Staubach was a great leader because the team had a great leader in Landry so Staubach didn't have to carry the team in that regard either. Neither did Aikman because he had Johnson as coach.

I think the same problems Romo had as a leader are what you are seeing in Prescott, the team did not have a great leader as a head coach or a defense (for the most part) the offense could have confidence in to do its part or even pick up the load when the offense faltered.

 

[DandyDon52]

Could you agree that Dak has improved the last 3 years? I think he could improve even more under MM and a second year of Kellen Moore. Theres a reason why JimmyG, Kirk Cousins, and Matt Stafford got paid.

yes I could agree, in some areas he has, but in other areas it seems like he went backwards.
and yes I think dak and all the players should be better under MM and his new staff.

But here is the deal , he may improve , he may not, and how much will he improve in all areas?
That means he is still sort of questionable, so just based on that signing him to a big contract is a big
gamble.
That is why I would rather he play on the tag , see what happens and go from there.

 

[cowboygo]

yes I could agree, in some areas he has, but in other areas it seems like he went backwards.
and yes I think dak and all the players should be better under MM and his new staff.

But here is the deal , he may improve , he may not, and how much will he improve in all areas?
That means he is still sort of questionable, so just based on that signing him to a big contract is a big
gamble.
That is why I would rather he play on the tag , see what happens and go from there.

Thats fair. If I were Dak, I'd bet on myself and play on the tag, I bet its what his agent has suggested is a favorable option to maximize earnings.The more he waits, the more chances the price goes higher if/when Watson or Mahomes get extensions. Thats the main concern in reaching a long-term contract ASAP. I don't see much urgency on Dak's camp. He's gonna have the best weapons he's had so far in his career, hes gonna put gaudy numbers.Will be hard to attribute it all to the supporting cast if he becomes an MVP candidate. and if the wins come with it, hes gonna be paid soso much. Agree its a gamble, I'd rather gamble for the next 3 years with our aging O-Line who won't be playing at a high level forever, than to nurse a rookie and watch him develop while having the available weapons.