BTB: Gil Brandt ranked his top five Dallas Cowboys quarterbacks, Prescott was three and Romo 5

[Rockport]

I refuse to respond for respect to the mentally challenged!

Well, anyone who think he knows better than Gil Brandt is most certainly mentally challenged.

 

[Diehardblues]

The lengths some of you will go to defend your opinions is comical. He disagrees with you so he must be senile?

Gil spent decades evaluating players for the NFL. You're a couple of nobodies spewing nonsense on a message board.

Let's see, who is more likely to have an informed opinion?

I don’t agree with Gils opinion on Dak but I still respect his opinion. Doesn’t mean he’s right but if Dak goes on to have more success than some of us can imagine now , Gil will be the first one I think of.

Much like I respect and listen to many of the best writers and local media who are much closer to the situation than any of us are. The fact Gil is touting Dak gets my attention.

 

[Diehardblues]

Your memory is bad, scroll to the very end about 2:15 mark and see for yourself. He was clearly in the pocket and the pressure came straight up the middle. He could see it coming and didn’t protect the football. White outplayed Montana for 57 minutes of that football game but when the game is on the line Montana came through and White cracked. No one but you is taking exception to anything I’ve said about White. You continue to complain about my characterization of him and that I’m bashing him because you’re looking for an argument. Confront me all you want but it’s an argument you’re not going win.

I’m not trying to win anything. I’m about presenting a more accurate characterization of the events you’ve described. And I don’t want to ever watch that sequence of plays again. A fumble is a fumble. Not sure what difference it makes.

Just because no one else cares about defending Danny doesn’t deter me. I still feel you’ve presented a poor characterization of the events.

 

[KJJ]

By passer ratings Dak and Romo are the greatest QB in Cowboy history. lol

Passer rating aside care to defend White’s 16 playoff INTs and 9 fumbles?

 

[KJJ]

It was a championship caliber team and why we went to 3 straight championship games but it was an aging team. By 1982 it was 5 years removed from its 1977 championship title.

You appear to be attempting to present a perception we lost those championships because of Danny which I’ve never seen characterized before.

The core group of the team White inherited was composed of mostly players under 30 which is why those teams made it to three straight NFC title games. I’m not attempting to present anything you’re just looking for an argument. I’m giving you my opinion based on a number of facts. It certainly wasn’t all Danny White’s fault that we lost those three straight NFC title games. The defense played a huge part and he couldn’t protect the football. These are facts! He was dreadful against Philly in the 1980 NFC title game go look at his numbers. The defense was also dreadful. Wilbert Montgomery gashed us for 194 yards.

 

[Diehardblues]

Passer rating aside care to defend White’s 16 playoff INTs and 9 fumbles?

No, not interested. It is what it is.

But I certainly don’t recall Danny being bashed as a turnover machine, choke artist or scapegoat for not winning championships which was the characterization you appeared to be attempting to present.

 

[Diehardblues]

The core group of the team White inherited was composed of mostly players under 30 which is why those teams made it to three straight NFC title games. I’m not attempting to present anything you’re just looking for an argument. I’m giving you my opinion based on a number of facts. It certainly wasn’t all Danny White’s fault that we lost those three straight NFC title games. The defense played a huge part and he couldn’t protect the football. These are facts! He was dreadful against Philly in the 1980 NFC title game go look at his numbers. The defense was also dreadful. Wilbert Montgomery gashed us for 194 yards.

You keep saying Im looking for an argument.

I’m just disputing the way your characterization of Danny came off to me which you apparently can’t accept. We are allowed to offer our viewpoint on this forum. But you can’t just let me post my response and move on.

I’m pleased to see you aren’t holding him completely responsible. Sorry, if I misread that.

 

[KJJ]

I’m not trying to win anything. I’m about presenting a more accurate characterization of the events you’ve described. And I don’t want to ever watch that sequence of plays again. A fumble is a fumble. Not sure what difference it makes.

Just because no one else cares about defending Danny doesn’t deter me. I still feel you’ve presented a poor characterization of the events.

You’re not going win anything because you’re not presenting anything that’s accurate. No one else is wasting their time with this because they know I’m presenting indisputable facts. No one but you wants to look foolish trying to defend White’s playoff stats. You can continue to complain about my characterization of the events all you want but it’s accurate.

 

[KJJ]

No, not interested. It is what it is.

But I certainly don’t recall Danny being bashed as a turnover machine, choke artist or scapegoat for not winning championships which was the characterization you appeared to be attempting to present.

Then you couldn’t have possibly been around watching the Cowboys back in the day because he did get bashed for it. The Cowboys didn’t win championships under him because he wasn’t a clutch performer like Staubach and the defense also folded under pressure. The team clearly didn’t believe in Danny White like they did Roger Staubach. The fans also didn’t believe in him.

 

[Diehardblues]

You’re not going win anything because you’re not presenting anything that’s accurate. No one else is wasting their time with this because they know I’m presenting indisputable facts. No one but you wants to look foolish trying to defend White’s playoff stats. You can continue to complain about my characterization of the events all you want but it’s accurate.

I’m not disputing your facts. I’m disputing your characterization of them.

 

[KJJ]

You keep saying Im looking for an argument.

I’m just disputing the way your characterization of Danny came off to me which you apparently can’t accept. We are allowed to offer our viewpoint on this forum. But you can’t just let me post my response and move on.

I’m pleased to see you aren’t holding him completely responsible. Sorry, if I misread that.

You’re the only one who’s disputing my characterization of White. I’ve never held any Cowboys QB completely responsible for losses. Danny White was a good QB as was Tony Romo but both had turnover issues and some of those turnovers were very untimely. Joe Montana had 3 INTs against the Cowboys in the 81 title game but he didn’t turn the ball over when the game was on the line. Most fans don’t remember that he turned the ball over three times in that game because of how the game ended.

 

[KJJ]

I’m not disputing your facts. I’m disputing your characterization of them.

You’re claiming I’m bashing Danny White. You’re clearly misinterpreting my characterization of him. He was a good QB but not a good big game QB. It would be very difficult for anyone to defend that based on his playoff stats/performances. We’ve exhausted this discussion and our opinions differ. Time to move on.

 

[Diehardblues]

Then you couldn’t have possibly been around watching the Cowboys back in the day because he did get bashed for it. The Cowboys didn’t win championships under him because he wasn’t a clutch performer like Staubach and the defense also folded under pressure. The team clearly didn’t believe in Danny White like they did Roger Staubach. The fans also didn’t believe in him.

Of course the fans didn’t believe in him like we did Roger. I can’t speak for the team. I certainly don’t recall players calling him out.

The fact he wasn’t as clutch as Roger isn’t a reason to bash Danny.

Roger also ended with same team losing in disappointing fashion in his final playoff game and lost in his last Super Bowl which were the two previous seasons before Danny took over so there’s no evidence that would support Roger would have won a championship any of those 3 seasons. Purely speculative.

 

[Diehardblues]

You’re the only one who’s disputing my characterization of White. I’ve never held any Cowboys QB completely responsible for losses. Danny White was a good QB as was Tony Romo but both had turnover issues and some of those turnovers were very untimely. Joe Montana had 3 INTs against the Cowboys in the 81 title game but he didn’t turn the ball over when the game was on the line. Most fans don’t remember that he turned the ball over three times in that game because of how the game ended.

Montana is a HOFamer. One of the greatest clutch QB in NFL history. He certainly deserves his due in that game. That doesn’t translate into bashing Danny because he wasn’t as great or clutch.

 

[KJJ]

The fact he wasn’t as clutch as Roger isn’t a reason to bash Danny.

Dude, I’m not bashing him let it go!

 

[KJJ]

Montana is a HOFamer. One of the greatest clutch QB in NFL history. He certainly deserves his due in that game. That doesn’t translate into bashing Danny because he wasn’t as great or clutch.

Drop the agenda and move on.

 

[Diehardblues]

Drop the agenda and move on.

I’m prepared to move on. My agenda is presenting a more supporting characterization of Danny’s career here. I’m not sure you’re willing to accept that.

 

[KJJ]

I’m prepared to move on. My agenda is presenting a more supporting characterization of Danny’s career here. I’m not sure you’re willing to accept that.

Appears your characterization of White is based on a lot of bias. It’s pretty obvious you were a fan of his. No one else is going to bat for him but you. Bashing a player is saying they suck and were losers. You don’t seem to be willing to accept that we have a difference of opinion and that going back-and-forth all day isn’t going to change our views. I’ve been critical of Dak and some of his flaws. I’ve pointed out the good and the bad of every player the Cowboys have had. My criticism of every player has always been constructive. If a fan wants to focus on the flaws I’ve posted on a player and accuse me of bashing them that’s on them. I’ve been accused of being a Romo hater because of the criticisms I had for his propensity for turnovers but In reality I thought he was terrific for the most part. His number one flaw was that he could never perform in December and January like he did during Sept through Nov.

 

[Diehardblues]

Appears your characterization of White is based on a lot of bias. It’s pretty obvious you were a fan of his. No one else is going to bat for him but you. Bashing a player is saying they suck and were losers. You don’t seem to be willing to accept that we have a difference of opinion and that going back-and-forth all day isn’t going to change our views. I’ve been critical of Dak and some of his flaws. I’ve pointed out the good and the bad of every player the Cowboys have had. My criticism of every player has always been constructive. If a fan wants to focus on the flaws I’ve posted on a player and accuse me of bashing them that’s on them. I’ve been accused of being a Romo hater because of the criticisms I had for his propensity for turnovers but In reality I thought he was terrific for the most part. His number one flaw was that he could never perform in December and January like he did during Sept through Nov.

I can accept we have a difference of opinion. And I intend on continuing to express mine. You appear to have an issue with that?

I felt you came off mischaracterizing the events you described with Danny. And I feel you still are.

And I’m a fan of all Cowboys. I don’t mind you presenting some criticisms of Danny but not mischaracterizing his career. You believe them but that doesn’t make it so for everyone.

 

[KJJ]

I can accept we have a difference of opinion. And I intend on continuing to express mine. You appear to have an issue with that?

I felt you came off mischaracterizing the events you described with Danny. And I feel you still are.

You obviously have nothing else better to do. You seem bent on spending all day on this. Have at it!