Still can't believe we got Cee Dee Lamb at 17

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Still can't believe we got him at 17.

Have a feeling he is going to be better than Dez ever was and if Cooper stays healthy and productive over the next 4 years, Lamb is going to have some huge seasons...even with Prescott throwing to him!
 

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He’s so good. I can’t wait to see him with the ball in his hands in the open field.

His body control and hands are elite. People make all kinds of comparisons, but he really does remind me a lot of D Hopkins... with better RAC.
 

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Super stoked about him. I’ve stopped openly wishing for players since Aaron Donald (with the exception of stupidly hoping for a Derwin James tradeup) because it never pans out and the boys just do their own thing.

HOWEVER. I was crazy running around the house screaming for Lamb from when the Broncos took Jeudy on. And when they were on the clock I celebrated before the pick was even announced, because I just knew it.
 

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I read an article back in the 70's about college football versus pro football. I want to say this was in a sporting magazine like SI or some such. Definitely pre-ESPN. However this also may have been in a gentleman's magazine. The format was a debate where one "journalist" wrote the pro and the other wrote the con. Meaning one author wrote about how college football was a better sport than pro football and vice versa.

I recall the article on why pro is a better product stated the pro game is more pure than college. The idea is with pro football you have just the best of the best - for the most part - on the field at the same time.

When you see a running back - and I think the example was Earl Campbell and his completely running over defenders - when your star running back runs over a safety, the guy playing safety may have been a math major and would never get a shot at the pros because he just wasn't good enough. So when you see guys post obscene numbers in college, you must entertain the idea that you have people playing across from the best who are not at the top level, and grade with that in mind.

Now I am not here to argue this article or which is the better game. But I am here to talk about Lamb.

He was slippery in college. Seemed to break tackles, and more than usual. I can't help but think about that argument and wonder if he will not have that allusiveness in the pros.

He is 6'2" and 198 pounds. One would imagine after a year in the weight room for the Cowboys he will muscle up even more. And he is close to what Irvin was coming out of college. Irvin had him by 9 pounds.

I am thrilled by this pick. But this is an age where we tend to question people. And I am a show me kind of fan and have been for a long time.

My concern, and truthfully it is a mild concern, is he will not be this tackle breaking fool he was in college and his game comes back to earth a bit. Or enough which answers the question 'why did this guy fall so far?'

Just hand wringing during the weirdest off season for this team ever.
 

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HOWEVER. I was crazy running around the house screaming for Lamb from when the Broncos took Jeudy on. And when they were on the clock I celebrated before the pick was even announced, because I just knew it.

i was too nervous. i kept watching ATL's countdown hoping a trade wasn't announced....once they picked and we were on the clock, the celebration was on!
 

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He’s so good. I can’t wait to see him with the ball in his hands in the open field.

His body control and hands are elite. People make all kinds of comparisons, but he really does remind me a lot of D Hopkins... with better RAC.
That's been my comparison of CD before we drafted him, while he was a Sooner, but comparisons of that levity are often dismissed.
Not so In his case IMO, if he parallels Hopkins career would be monumental, but when I look at his speed out of a break, compared to Hopkins, CD is already there, and will
improve.
There was a reason why Philly fan was in tears when we drafted him.
 

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Super stoked about him. I’ve stopped openly wishing for players since Aaron Donald (with the exception of stupidly hoping for a Derwin James tradeup) because it never pans out and the boys just do their own thing.

HOWEVER. I was crazy running around the house screaming for Lamb from when the Broncos took Jeudy on. And when they were on the clock I celebrated before the pick was even announced, because I just knew it.
Similar draft situation to the Thomas to Denver Bryant to Dallas draft, very reminiscent indeed.
 

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I read an article back in the 70's about college football versus pro football. I want to say this was in a sporting magazine like SI or some such. Definitely pre-ESPN. However this also may have been in a gentleman's magazine. The format was a debate where one "journalist" wrote the pro and the other wrote the con. Meaning one author wrote about how college football was a better sport than pro football and vice versa.

I recall the article on why pro is a better product stated the pro game is more pure than college. The idea is with pro football you have just the best of the best - for the most part - on the field at the same time.

When you see a running back - and I think the example was Earl Campbell and his completely running over defenders - when your star running back runs over a safety, the guy playing safety may have been a math major and would never get a shot at the pros because he just wasn't good enough. So when you see guys post obscene numbers in college, you must entertain the idea that you have people playing across from the best who are not at the top level, and grade with that in mind.

Now I am not here to argue this article or which is the better game. But I am here to talk about Lamb.

He was slippery in college. Seemed to break tackles, and more than usual. I can't help but think about that argument and wonder if he will not have that allusiveness in the pros.

He is 6'2" and 198 pounds. One would imagine after his career in the weight room for the Cowboys he will muscle up even more. And he is close to what Irvin was coming out of college. Irvin had him by 9 pounds.

I am thrilled by this pick. But this is an age where we tend to question people. And I am a show me kind of fan and have been for a long time.

My concern, and truthfully it is a mild concern, is he will not be this tackle breaking fool he was in college and his game comes back to earth a bit. Or enough which answers the question 'why did this guy fall so far?'

Just hand wringing during the weirdest off season for this team ever.
Irvin was 6-2 199 when he entered the league. He got heavier later but towards the end of his career he was trying to get back down to 199 again to gain speed/quickness.
 

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I read an article back in the 70's about college football versus pro football. I want to say this was in a sporting magazine like SI or some such. Definitely pre-ESPN. However this also may have been in a gentleman's magazine. The format was a debate where one "journalist" wrote the pro and the other wrote the con. Meaning one author wrote about how college football was a better sport than pro football and vice versa.

I recall the article on why pro is a better product stated the pro game is more pure than college. The idea is with pro football you have just the best of the best - for the most part - on the field at the same time.

When you see a running back - and I think the example was Earl Campbell and his completely running over defenders - when your star running back runs over a safety, the guy playing safety may have been a math major and would never get a shot at the pros because he just wasn't good enough. So when you see guys post obscene numbers in college, you must entertain the idea that you have people playing across from the best who are not at the top level, and grade with that in mind.

Now I am not here to argue this article or which is the better game. But I am here to talk about Lamb.

He was slippery in college. Seemed to break tackles, and more than usual. I can't help but think about that argument and wonder if he will not have that allusiveness in the pros.

He is 6'2" and 198 pounds. One would imagine after a year in the weight room for the Cowboys he will muscle up even more. And he is close to what Irvin was coming out of college. Irvin had him by 9 pounds.

I am thrilled by this pick. But this is an age where we tend to question people. And I am a show me kind of fan and have been for a long time.

My concern, and truthfully it is a mild concern, is he will not be this tackle breaking fool he was in college and his game comes back to earth a bit. Or enough which answers the question 'why did this guy fall so far?'

Just hand wringing during the weirdest off season for this team ever.
Two Deep,, its more than his bio,, I know you are astute in player evaluation, but no need to worry about CD, he was the best in class in this draft, don't over evaluate the pick.
All Cowboys fans will love this man, he is a receiving beast, and I rarely anoint any rookie WR with that.
This man will probably retire the 88, but it will be interesting at that moment,, Irvin and Bryant should be included.
Early.. yes,, but that's how much I love this player,, he is different than both in a very special respect.
 

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I would tap the breaks a little since he played in the Big 12 where tackling is optional. I think he is a good WR and deserving of the 1st round but on a team that was the #1 O and #2 Pass O, is he a necessity or a luxury?

He is not yet the second coming of Hopkins and might just be a good one like Marquise Brown, his predecessor at OU.
 

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I would tap the breaks a little since he played in the Big 12 where tackling is optional. I think he is a good WR and deserving of the 1st round but on a team that was the #1 O and #2 Pass O, is he a necessity or a luxury?

He is not yet the second coming of Hopkins and might just be a good one like Marquise Brown, his predecessor at OU.
Not even close, and rather surprised you would make that comparison, apples and oranges,, big beautiful oranges.
 

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Agree with the premise of this thread to be excited about CD.

By the way, there is no "_" (space) in his name...CeeDee. :cool::D
 

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I would tap the breaks a little since he played in the Big 12 where tackling is optional. I think he is a good WR and deserving of the 1st round but on a team that was the #1 O and #2 Pass O, is he a necessity or a luxury?

He is not yet the second coming of Hopkins and might just be a good one like Marquise Brown, his predecessor at OU.

enjoy your brake tapping sir. Meanwhile I’ve got a lead foot over here
 

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Wishfully thinking Lamb and Cooper turn out to be better than what we hoped for Dez and Miles Austin.

Austin’s short lived peak didn’t even coincide with Dez’s

In 2012, Dez broke out and Miles was still solid but that year is comparable statistically to the 2020 combo of Cooper/Gallup.
 

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I would tap the breaks a little since he played in the Big 12 where tackling is optional. I think he is a good WR and deserving of the 1st round but on a team that was the #1 O and #2 Pass O, is he a necessity or a luxury?

He is not yet the second coming of Hopkins and might just be a good one like Marquise Brown, his predecessor at OU.

For any rookie but especially a WR, the situation they are drafted into is very dependent on the situation the player is drafted into.

Ceedee is coming into an amazing situation. This offense nearly produced 3 1,000 yard receivers last year and he is not going to have to take on an opposing teams best corner initially.
 

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I would tap the breaks a little since he played in the Big 12 where tackling is optional. I think he is a good WR and deserving of the 1st round but on a team that was the #1 O and #2 Pass O, is he a necessity or a luxury?

He is not yet the second coming of Hopkins and might just be a good one like Marquise Brown, his predecessor at OU.

Okay coach, but using your theory here on luxury or necessity, you must factor in how that affected the Eagles. In your opinion is Reagor in the same class as Lamb? Secondly, how would things be different if Dallas faced Wentz (and I am not one who thinks Wentz is a bust but will eventually be the best QB in the East) with Lamb as a WR?

And how does Lamb compare to Chaisson in regard to their abilities in their position. Is Lamb a better receiver than Chaisson a pass rusher? Which may be the most important question of all.

I get the luxury aspect. But there are factors which can add or subtract from the pick in the over-all viewing of this selection.

I'd like to know your thoughts on this.
 

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Not even close, and rather surprised you would make that comparison, apples and oranges,, big beautiful oranges.
That is your opinion, I watch as much college football here as anyone, specifically a lot of Big 12 and SEC, and he is a very good college WR but a lot of that YAC is because of poor tackling.

WR's making it at the next level are almost as much risk as QB's. Until we get to see him for the next couple of seasons, we don't know.
 

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For any rookie but especially a WR, the situation they are drafted into is very dependent on the situation the player is drafted into.

Ceedee is coming into an amazing situation. This offense nearly produced 3 1,000 yard receivers last year and he is not going to have to take on an opposing teams best corner initially.
That's the key,,, how many teams have 3 potential number 1 CBs?
We have 3 potential number 1 WRs now.
This game is all about matchups, and exploiting mismatches.
Maybe Im a bit of a betting man, but Im betting that this WR trio out matches our opponents CBs down to the 3.
Gallup might be the biggest benefactor in a few games.
Lets not forget about this young stud, 2019, 112 targets for 1107 and 6 TDs in only his 2nd season.
This WR corp is what we should be talking about more, instead of this Dak contract drivel.
 

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That is your opinion, I watch as much college football here as anyone, specifically a lot of Big 12 and SEC, and he is a very good college WR but a lot of that YAC is because of poor tackling.

WR's making it at the next level are almost as much risk as QB's. Until we get to see him for the next couple of seasons, we don't know.
Ya, cant ever tell about those rooks,, they can burn ya.
I get the reserved call on CD.
Just saying, sometimes its really easy to see how good a rook will be, and CD is one of those special rooks that has that, if you cant see it now, you will.
 
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