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Nexx said:
but they won many playoff games and Super Bowl. Dak hasn't won anything. In fact he has missed the playoffs two of the last four years even with all his weapons.
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Teams win playoff games and Super Bowls.
 
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Super_Kazuya said:
I mean it’s true. No QB in the history of the NFL has started their career with a better OL and RB combo. Now his receivers on the other hand, have not always been up to snuff but that was reflected in his bottom of the league passing TD totals the first three years.
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I pull for Dak at every term, but honestly, the term Trust Fund Quarterback fits pretty well. Not his fault though!
On offense at least, he has had the table set for him better than few have before him. And really, for most of 4 seasons, not just one or two.

Still hope he tears it up this year.
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Not his fault that he's had it better than guys like Stafford in Detroit his entire career (except for 1 stud WR) or Tannehill had it in Miami, or Rodgers even (not a single 1st round RB or WR..ever) , or Wilson, or Allen in Buffalo, Jones in NY, or any Jags QB (lol), etc etc, etc, etc.
 
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DFWJC said:
I pull for Dak at every term, but honestly, the term Trust Fund Quarterback fits pretty well. Not his fault though!
On offense at least, he has had the table set for him better than few have before him. And really, for most of 4 seasons, not just one or two.

Still hope he tears it up this year.
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Not his fault that he's had it better than guys like Stafford in Detroit his entire career (except for 1 stud WR) or Tannehill had it in Miami, or Rodgers even (not a single 1st round RB or WR..ever) , or Wilson, or Allen in Buffalo, Jones in NY, or any Jags QB (lol), etc etc, etc, etc.
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Well the thing is that most rookie QBs who play right away are high draft picks going to bad teams. The teams needed to be bad to get the pick to draft them. I would say recent exceptions besides Dak are Wentz (excellent offensive line, solid backs) and Wilson (excellent back, solid offensive line). But you would be hard pressed to find a QB, in the history of the NFL, whose first four years had two in their prime HOFers and another 1st team All-Pro on the offensive line... and an All-Pro RB who to that point is on pace to be a top 10 back in NFL history. If someone else has had it better, I can’t think of who it is.
 
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Says the guy who has evaluated him and flipped positively and negatively for four years
 
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Super_Kazuya said:
Well the thing is that most rookie QBs who play right away are high draft picks going to bad teams. The teams needed to be bad to get the pick to draft them. I would say recent exceptions besides Dak are Wentz (excellent offensive line, solid backs) and Wilson (excellent back, solid offensive line). But you would be hard pressed to find a QB, in the history of the NFL, whose first four years had two in their prime HOFers and another 1st team All-Pro on the offensive line... and an All-Pro RB who to that point is on pace to be a top 10 back in NFL history. If someone else has had it better, I can’t think of who it is.
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Aikman's '92 SB team. Larry Allen came in '94. And he had Norv Turner calling plays.
 

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Super_Kazuya said:
Well the thing is that most rookie QBs who play right away are high draft picks going to bad teams. The teams needed to be bad to get the pick to draft them. I would say recent exceptions besides Dak are Wentz (excellent offensive line, solid backs) and Wilson (excellent back, solid offensive line). But you would be hard pressed to find a QB, in the history of the NFL, whose first four years had two in their prime HOFers and another 1st team All-Pro on the offensive line... and an All-Pro RB who to that point is on pace to be a top 10 back in NFL history. If someone else has had it better, I can’t think of who it is.
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Seahawks have generally had a gash oline imo. Agree on Prescott. Dream offensive setup for any rookie QB. Cowherd on point again.
 
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Super_Kazuya said:
I mean it’s true. No QB in the history of the NFL has started their career with a better OL and RB combo. Now his receivers on the other hand, have not always been up to snuff but that was reflected in his bottom of the league passing TD totals the first three years.
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It's pretty humorous how you conveniently forget that while Dak has some pretty good players he had one of the worse offensive coordinator/coaches in the NFL when it comes to scheming and gameplanning.. All one has to do is look no further than how Dak performed after Garrett was pretty much a walk around meddling coach under the Kellen the Beaver Moore's play calling.

I don't quite understand the logic of putting all seasons in a big basket and calling them equal either.. Dak had some of the worst receivers in the nfl before Cooper came and a banged up oline to boot many times. If you look at Dak's numbers and win totals, again it's among the best in the history of the nfl, but keep on smoking what Colin is rolling up..
 
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PJTHEDOORS said:
Aikman's '92 SB team. Larry Allen came in '94. And he had Norv Turner calling plays.
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That 92 team was loaded all around.
No doubt! One of the best and most balanced Cowboys teams

But that was Aikman's 4th year starting. His 1st couple of years, the offensive talent around him was awful.
 
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johneric8 said:
It's pretty humorous how you conveniently forget that while Dak has some pretty good players he had one of the worse offensive coordinator/coaches in the NFL when it comes to scheming and gameplanning.. All one has to do is look no further than how Dak performed after Garrett was pretty much a walk around meddling coach under the Kellen the Beaver Moore's play calling.

I don't quite understand the logic of putting all seasons in a big basket and calling them equal either.. Dak had some of the worst receivers in the nfl before Cooper came and a banged up oline to boot many times. If you look at Dak's numbers and win totals, again it's among the best in the history of the nfl, but keep on smoking what Colin is rolling up..
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Speaking of smoking please pass whatever you’re smoking to the trash because whatever it is it’s destroying your brain cells. Garrett hasn’t been an offensive play caller since long before Dak got here, and when he was there is zero objective evidence that he was “one of the worst around”. Nice try, but it’s time to go to bed now Boomer. You’re drunk.
 
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johneric8 said:
It's pretty humorous how you conveniently forget that while Dak has some pretty good players he had one of the worse offensive coordinator/coaches in the NFL when it comes to scheming and game planning.. All one has to do is look no further than how Dak performed after Garrett was pretty much a walk around meddling coach under the Kellen the Beaver Moore's play calling.

I don't quite understand the logic of putting all seasons in a big basket and calling them equal either.. Dak had some of the worst receivers in the nfl before Cooper came and a banged up oline to boot many times. If you look at Dak's numbers and win totals, again it's among the best in the history of the nfl, but keep on smoking what Colin is rolling up..
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Scott Linehan was the OC for Dak.
Most around the league would consider him slightly above average but certainly not great.
If we want to say just average, that's fine too.
  • His WR was group was pretty weak for one season though....2017...true. The other years were better but not really terrific until last year.
  • He's mostly been blessed with good to great oline all 4 years---ranging from dominant in 2016 to only top 5 or 6 at worst.
  • He's had the Dallas' best RB since Emmitt all four years....which is huge.
Yep, he's been blessed. Again, not his fault.
 
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Colin Cowherd has gone full monty...

He has Dak contract fatigue because he is tired of having to come up with myths to downgrade Dak.

So latest Myth....we need bad drafting, horrible FA acquisition and bad salary Cap management type team to really evaluate Dak.

Wentz won down the stretch with nothing but with a Superbowl HC whom won it with nothing.

Luck was the best player in the entire draft. Ridiculous comparison. No one ever said Dak is comparable but the QB market value isn't contingent on being elite.....red herring.

Just say it Colin.....Garrett 2013 thru Contract expiration was horrible.

There was no possible way to properly evaluate Dak because Jason found a way to have 4-5 HOF talent and never at least get to a Superbowl.

Dalton is a trojan horse...Dak has never sunk to Dalton's poor play on any level.
118 Career INTs and 14 Picks 6.
If we want Lawrence and Fields sweepstakes start Dalton.

I predict DiNucci will some how check the box for Colin in about 4 preseason games
 

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It's funny how people bash Colin and then sound much worse than he does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Ohhhhh Colin Cowherd....

If you've watched or listen to Colin long enough (me 10-15yrs) you'll find his takes are every where to put it mildly....

He annointed Dak a Franchise QB after only 6 games???

I was still figuring out how to get Romo back in the lineup..... @PAPPYDOG let's agree even I know Dak wasn't the best QB on the roster October 2016

 
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