No one "hated" Dak back in 2016

[Whirlwin]

I am not sure what to say about this. The old guard of Rodgers, Brady and Brees are moving on. It’s Mahomes’ league now. That guy is great. Tough. Can run a little. Makes all the throws. Big time arm strength. I think he has better make up than Rodgers. I like Dak but no way is he in Mahomes category. Few are.

Thanks for understanding I see you took it out. Class my cowboy brother. Someone else Would not of understood. And help me to it. Even though they know

 

[blueblood70]

Here is a thought, how many people were talking poorly of Dak in 2016 ?????
How many " haters" were posting here?? ( haters = anyone who wants another qb or thinks dak isnt good enough,
or thinks he is good but not worth the money he is demanding.)
None I would guess, this all took the last 3 years to develop and then add in the whole longest contract debate ever, and dak wanting
to be top salary at point of signing, and yeah we have some people that are saying dont sign him.

It is NOT like people have been against dak since day 1.
Same thing for elliot back in 16, but this is years later and both have been meh for last 3 years.
They have good stats, but that has not translated to much season wise or in playoffs the last 3 years.

There are valid reasons for people to think dak is not the right guy, especially now that his pay will
go up what 35 times what he was making?

Again my point is this didnt happen overnight, and didnt really start until late into 2017.
Some slid back in 2018, but then after a 8-8 season and the last phil game , the whole
not liking dak started up in earnest, and then this contract thing has made it snowball.

with all that going on in the real world, Hate way to strong a word, some were once big fans, then less of a fan and some now no longer are fan f all toward certain players, why stop at dak/zeke, Jsmith and Tank were once heralded for different reasons, heck now LVE is being talked about as a mistake and soon will be out to most fans..

we have our reasons but hate isnt what fans are toward players, its either you are big fan, a little bit of fan or just not fan at all and want to see a player replaced..

 

[Whirlwin]

with all that going on in the real world, Hate way to strong a word, some were once big fans, then less of a fan and some now no longer are fan f all toward certain ;layers, why stop at dak/zeke, Jsmith and Tank were once heralded for different reasons, heck now LVE is being talked about as a mistake and soon will be out to most fans..

we have our reasons but hate isnt what fans are toward players, its either you are big fan, a little bit of fan or just not fan at all and want to see a player replaced..

I liked him in preseason when Sean Lee said who is this guy. That was enough for me. Then he had a great rookie season. And then the second season was total turmoil. And then the third season lost Jason Witten lost Freddy lost Bryant. So I don’t know what to expect I thought the third season would’ve been his best. And then Jason Garrett went South. So I’m still holding onto thinking he is a franchise quarterback. But now the dollars come. And I can’t stand Dalton he’s not the guy so I don’t know what

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Your unique writing skills were actually not to hard to understand on this post, and I agreed with most. You lost me at overrated Romo.

If we are using ancient civilizations, I would consider Romo an Assyrian, you know, the people known as the warrior society.

Assyrians were also prolific builders, but the only thing Romo built in Dallas was a culture of 8-8 teams.
Romo is more Amazonian with padded stats and 2 career playoff wins.

 

[Johnny23]

I was on the official Cowboys forums in 2016 and I have maintained my viewpoint on Dak since I first saw him play at Mississippi State. Anyone who knows me knows this and I have given credit were credit is due and aired my grievances.

 

[Whyjerry]

Thanks for understanding I see you took it out. Class my cowboy brother. Someone else Would not of understood. And help me to it. Even though they know

Yes sir. Given these days I thought you and I would blow up the Internet. I moved fast.

 

[Whyjerry]

I thought I could edit it before anyone got a chance to read it. One more time I have neuropathy nerve damage military. Most people on here know that about me. So they cut me slack sometimes. And my pronunciation miss words. They know I rely on speak and text. Again I apologize for Google. Using the word black. It’s Mahomes league because the media put it that way. They wanted another Aaron Rodgers media lover boy. Terry Bradshaw and I both hope he lost that Super Bowl. As much as I didn’t want San Francisco to win. Mahomes suck in that game bad. He pulled it out with the five Hail Marys yes 5 two connected. They should’ve gave the MVP to the wide receiver. I think he’s so overrated. He’s on a great team

I hope I didn’t cause you any angst. Thanks for the service and thanks for soldiering on despite some issues. You are a good poster no matter how you get the message out.

 

[Whirlwin]

Yes sir. Given these days I thought you and I would blow up the Internet. I moved fast.

Exactly. Even mistakes they don’t let it slide. I panicked LOL again thank you for understanding and be good be safe my cowboy brother, family. The problem is some people don’t want to hear anyone’s opinion. They just want to hear their opinion come out of someone else’s mouth

 

[NotForLong]

Dak grew on me as the rookie season went out. About midway through is when I started to really see his flaws (which is reasonable for anyone watching a QB). Every QB has them and the fact that people can't even admit to them is a sad story in itself. So with those red flags raised they showed their faces even more in 2017. Sure he technically was getting better in other areas, but the major flaws remained. 2018, same story. 2019, same story. There were also excuses thrown every which way in each of those seasons for Dak. After the Dez situation I called it on the o-line for 2018 and there is no other way to put how god awful Dak was with pocket awareness in 2018. Luckily for us Dak improved in that regard since he was getting worse in that stat every year.

After 4 years I still see a lot of what I saw from his rookie season. Do you want a great leader who struggles with tight passes in coverage, maximizing YAC situations because he cannot consistently put the ball in the right spot, who still can't read a defenders priority on read option plays and doesn't instinctively use his feet to extend plays while looking down field? And too often on 3rd and mid/long he opts for the dumpoff. Don't look at this is all negative, look at this like he does everything else right, or most of it, but these are his flaws that I see.

If you are fine with that, Dak is your guy. I don't care about the yards, I don't care about beating up on bad teams or defenses that play soft. I don't think the flaws I see can be fixed because it might just be a natural/instinctive thing that he doesn't have. Actually I do think there's no reason for him not to be better on read options, but the other critiques I believe he is what he is at this point. I don't believe what he brings is that much or any better than a solid qb you can find in the 1st round of the draft, while also considering the pool of talent surrounding him (sure it's not his fault he has a solid team, but I expect more at this point). So that leads us to our next choice. $35-$40 mil/year vs $6-$7 mil/year? And we do have Dalton on the team so it's not like we're just risking everything.

Well said

 

[NotForLong]

My mistake if I misunderstood what you meant by that comment with Romo handing the ball off.

Facts we do have however is Romo struggled to finish games because of injuries. He was a good QB but his time was up and that team wouldn't have went any further then they went even if Romo was in his prime and stayed healthy. They lost to GB because the defense couldn't stop anybody. Offense scored plenty of points to win that game.

They lost to Green Bay because of Daks poorous start. Which allowed Green Bay great field position. Add in a real 30 million dollar Quater Back (Rodgers)& a real Coach (Cowvoys Coach) 21 pts later you cant entirely blamed on the defense

 

[NotForLong]

Okay fine. To suggest "he should be thankful he can almost play golf"....well that hurts your credibility. Not that you need approval from me....but those kind of comments make you look like a hater whether you are or not. And you know how "haters" are thought of around these parts.

The fact remains we just don;t know. We have to recognize these are our FEELINGS on the matter...not FACTS.

Thank you Bro. This was refreshing. Afyer all the threads that go off kiltered. You consistantly brought straight Loguc built upon sound logic.

Its gonna be an interesting year. Thats for sure.

Only thing left will be to see if Daltons addition. Ensures Dak plays on Franchise Tag or we take on a cap limiting contract that hamstrungs the team for 4-5 years.

 

[Aviano90]

They lost to Green Bay because of Daks poorous start. Which allowed Green Bay great field position. Add in a real 30 million dollar Quater Back (Rodgers)& a real Coach (Cowvoys Coach) 21 pts later you cant entirely blamed on the defense

This is 100% BS.

 

[Cowfan75]

Dak beat winning teams and led fourth quarter comebacks in 2016, while being paid $1m


2019, not so much and is asking for $35m+ a year

It's as simple as this.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

This is 100% BS.

Had it been Romo or most any other QB they would say how great they were and made a great comeback to tie the game but the defense gave up a huge play to give GB a last second FG

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Had it been Romo or most any other QB they would say how great they were and made a great comeback to tie the game but the defense gave up a huge play to give GB a last second FG

Not if that QB stupidly threw the ball right to Micah Hyde and then was so inexperienced that his coach had to run the two minute drill for him (badly). Go back to bed Boomer, you’re embarrassing yourself yet again.

 

[Swagger]

Not if that QB stupidly threw the ball right to Micah Hyde and then was so inexperienced that his coach had to run the two minute drill for him (badly). Go back to bed Boomer, you’re embarrassing yourself yet again.

Yep. The two minute drill at the end of the game was the killer. Spiking the ball when it was wholly unnecessary ultimately provided the Packers with an opportunity to win. When a Vet QB would have let the clock run and played on against a gassed defense on their knees and at that point with a secondary off the street. But a rookie wouldn't and didn't know the play book and effectively needed the timeout. To be fair Garrett deserves a lot of blame as it's a brain dead decision to play a rookie over an All Pro QB in a game like that.

Worst case scenario if we don't spike the ball it goes to OT and the Packers were gassed at that point.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Yep. The two minute drill at the end of the game was the killer. Spiking the ball when it was wholly unnecessary ultimately provided the Packers with an opportunity to win. When a Vet QB would have let the clock run and played on against a gassed defense on their knees and at that point with a secondary off the street. But a rookie wouldn't and didn't know the play book and effectively needed the timeout. To be fair Garrett deserves a lot of blame as it's a brain dead decision to play a rookie over an All Pro QB in a game like that.

Worst case scenario if we don't spike the ball it goes to OT and the Packers were gassed at that point.

That sequence drove me INSANE


But that type of analysis isnt allowed here when it comes to Dak. On this site, you are only allowed to look at the box score to determine how well he played.....


If Romo spiked that ball and gave away a play when their defense had no answer for us, his haters would have a field day.

 

[Aviano90]

Had it been Romo or most any other QB they would say how great they were and made a great comeback to tie the game but the defense gave up a huge play to give GB a last second FG

If it were Romo it would have been noted that Witten whiffed on a block on the first possession causing a sack, Butler had the penalty on the 2nd possession, and Twill dropped a pass on the 3rd possession as the primary reasons the first 3 drives stalled.

The dude also stated we gave GB good field position on the 3 drives. GB started at their own 25, 10, and 20 yard lines on these possessions.

This is a Dak hater trying to fault Dak. This person also bends over backwards to defend Romo. Not sure why these haters get offended by being called a hater. They should just own it. Coming up with these lame reasons in an attempt to appear objective is ridiculous. Just low character people, I guess.

 

[Aviano90]

Yep. The two minute drill at the end of the game was the killer. Spiking the ball when it was wholly unnecessary ultimately provided the Packers with an opportunity to win. When a Vet QB would have let the clock run and played on against a gassed defense on their knees and at that point with a secondary off the street. But a rookie wouldn't and didn't know the play book and effectively needed the timeout. To be fair Garrett deserves a lot of blame as it's a brain dead decision to play a rookie over an All Pro QB in a game like that.

Worst case scenario if we don't spike the ball it goes to OT and the Packers were gassed at that point.

So spiking the ball is on the QB and not the coaches? OK, was it Romo’s fault we called a timeout against GB at the end of the first half in 2014 which allowed the officials to overturn a first down during the break forcing a 3rd down? Romo then proceeded to fumble the snap.

We mismanaged so many 2 minute drills during Garrett’s tenure. He was horrible at clock management. We can now just blame the QB for those, right?

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

Assyrians were also prolific builders, but the only thing Romo built in Dallas was a culture of 8-8 teams.
Romo is more Amazonian with padded stats and 2 career playoff wins.

Well played mate.

We shall just have to disagree on this one. Cheers!