Are you guys thinking that Lamb

[Hennessy_King]

I edited the post to add

Also I ain't about to have some guy use my material for free when he's gettin $$. All the dumb rules on this site, but pimping your members so someone can make bread off them seems pretty crappy.

 

[Redball Express]

I'm glad Lamb is a Cowboy and not an Eagle.

Addition by subtraction.

That maybe the biggest thing about Lamb going to us.

They went ahead and got their receiver anyway.

But we shall see if we can actually do anything with this supposed advantage.

I think in the past we have bungled things all the way to back to how we handed Dez.

Dez made negative remarks about Garrett that were absolutely correct but were made to appear as sour grapes for being released.

Dez also criticized Witten who also was an issue with Garrett coming back out of retirement for Garrett.

So Dez in his fury was speaking correctly about things nobody was free to discuss.

 

[Adreme]

Probably not as a rookie. Hopefully as a sophomore. Although it is not as though the offense needs to take strides forward. The weakness of the Cowboys was the defense and that is the unit that deserves all the attention.

 

[Proof]

Ya it was CD or bust, maybe Chaisson there, either,, but I would still lean on the CD side, love the pick and you cant pass on possible top shelf talent.
Deep WR class, meaning that in other drafts not as strong, any of Ruggs, Jeudy, Lamb would have been higher and first WR off the board.
The draft didn't stop after those 3 though,, other teams scored as well in this draft, time will tell, but just reviewing some other nice WRs from this class and were they went.Jalen Reagor - PHI
Justin Jefferson - MIN
Michael Pittman - IND
Tee Higins - CIN
Denzel Mims - Jets
Claypool to the steelers, and where they drafted him round 2 17th pick,, already declared that they will not be converting him to a TE.
At 6'4 and 227lbs and ran a 4.42 at the combine....
Just glad some of the better ones went to the AFC,, we got ours!

jefferson is the guy I’m watching most intently moving forward. Really like him and think that Minny was nearly as fortunate as us to land him there sitting still. Especially after flipping Diggs

 

[gjkoeppen]

will have a similar effect on the offense like Amari did in 2018?
I keep hearing about Lamb as a pancrea and being the difference for us in 2020.
That he is the future and will replace Amari in a couple of years as the #1 and Amari will be no longer needed.
I just watch his highlight video and wonder if what he is doing is based on inferior college teams facing him and his QBs playing well?
I have concerns.
Some out there might have a better feel for this.
I personally think he will occasionally sparkle then fade for stretches at a time as the season wears on and the playoffs get closer and the pressure increases.
Gallop is going to become more important becuz Amari and Lamb will be drawing the coverages and we will retreat to try to Powerball with Zeke as before.
This is where it gets dicey.
When things get tight, will Moore be creative? Will McCarthy step in and assume calling the offense?
Thoughts?

I agree with much of what you said and to expand a little on part of it. So many get excited by what a college player does but don't realize or think that the vast majority of the players they play against never play a single snap in the NFL, most not even given the chance. My question is if they faced nothing but NFL quality players would their production still be the same. These players may show the potential and/or the skills needed but before heaping a mountain of praise on these players we should wait and see how the actually perform against actual NFL talent. This also applies to stating at this point that this unproven rookie will replace anyone in the near future.
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[gjkoeppen]

Yeah...again, I think he will put this offense over the top and I’m all for drafting for the future but offense wasn’t a big concern. Then we gave Coop a big contract before the draft...it just doesn’t make a lot of sense for a team that should be in a win now mode.

I’ve never believed in drafting BPA, I think it’s dumb as hell. Draft for need.

There is a lot of history to show that teams that don't draft the best player available and draft for need often reach on their draft picks and pick a player ranked lower because they need that player and don't think he will be available on their next pick. So they actually draft players higher than anyone has them ranked. That isn't very smart and you end up with a team of lesser talent.
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[glimmerman]

I am seeing Elliot possibly benefit from this. Spread them out and let our O-Line eat some people up.

 

[glimmerman]

Yeah...again, I think he will put this offense over the top and I’m all for drafting for the future but offense wasn’t a big concern. Then we gave Coop a big contract before the draft...it just doesn’t make a lot of sense for a team that should be in a win now mode.

I’ve never believed in drafting BPA, I think it’s dumb as hell. Draft for need.

I think they have a plan. In a few years Coops money will be paid and we have a out and in a few years Gallups rookie deal is up. If Lamb transitions to stud status it will give us a option. We can’t keep all 3 but remember since Lamb was a first rounder then we have a 5th year option. Which seems to mean nothing now a days, they just hold out.

I think we needed Defensive help but maybe Lamb will be a better WR than any DE we could get. It was a BPA approach. But we scored a few good DT that have talent and gas left in the tank. We will get Gregory back now they changed the weed rule. Not sure he is a upgrade. Diggs will help take Jones place. I wanted a good safety in the draft. Ha Ha DONT impress me. But they havent cared about that position for years.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think he has the chance to be a good player but other WR's have come in with a lot of fanfare and not delivered. If you didn't watch a lot of OU ball, I did, then you didn't see how the sloppy positioning and tackling of Big 12 DB's contributed to a great deal of that. I do not expect him to be what he was in college but he was a no brainer of a pick, second only to Burrow for CIN.

When a WR comes to the already #1 O in the league, how much can he help? This isn't remotely like Cooper showing up when he did. If he's the real deal, he gives the team some other options at the #1 and #2 WR positions.

Lamb was definitely one of the three best WR's in this draft so that can't be a bad thing.

 

[aria]

There is a lot of history to show that teams that don't draft the best player available and draft for need often reach on their draft picks and pick a player ranked lower because they need that player and don't think he will be available on their next pick. So they actually draft players higher than anyone has them ranked. That isn't very smart and you end up with a team of lesser talent.
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I’m just saying in some instances it makes zero sense. Say we had the 5th overall pick in 2017 and Barkley was there, do we draft him because he was the BPA? What if you just drafted a top rated QB and the next year the BPA is another QB, do you draft him? What if we just gave a FA Center a massive contract and the BPA is a center, do you draft him?

There’s also a long history of first round busts so I don’t see how drafting a player of need increases the chances of a bust, especially when none of them have taken a snap in the NFL and you’re picking middle of the pack. Literally almost every team can say they got a steal because teams in front of them drafted on need, not BPA, which is why guys like Lamb and Jeudy went so late.

 

[aria]

I think he has the chance to be a good player but other WR's have come in with a lot of fanfare and not delivered. If you didn't watch a lot of OU ball, I did, then you didn't see how the sloppy positioning and tackling of Big 12 DB's contributed to a great deal of that. I do not expect him to be what he was in college but he was a no brainer of a pick, second only to Burrow for CIN.

When a WR comes to the already #1 O in the league, how much can he help? This isn't remotely like Cooper showing up when he did. If he's the real deal, he gives the team some other options at the #1 and #2 WR positions.

Lamb was definitely one of the three best WR's in this draft so that can't be a bad thing.

I still have high hopes for Lamb, but like you, I watch a lot of Big 12 football and I’d be lying if I said there wasn’t a little bit of concern about him playing in the Big 12 which was arguably the worst defensive conference in college football.

A lot of people say Jeudy and Lamb were neck and neck over who is better but I would give Jeudy the edge due to the competition he faced compared to Lamb. Who knows though, the draft and player projections rarely ever pan out how people thought they would.

 

[glimmerman]

Since everyone in the league knows Lamb was the best WR in the draft I wonder what we could get in trade for him. If he balls out this year then we could always trade him. Now, I don’t think we will since he was offered number 88.. But when teams get BPA and another team needs them then they can always trade them for something they need right..

 

[Redball Express]

It’s very hard to evaluate OU players for this very reason.

Their competition is a joke and they get to play in so much space because of it.

This is a major fuzzy filter to figure out.

We looks great against their opponents.

How many times do we see WR rookies come to the NFL and just submerge?

A lot.

That is going to be the negative current he will be swimming against.

I also wonder how generous the other featured WRs we have will support having another guy take passes away from them?

There are a slug of pitfalls to workout out before I think we will see a smooth running machine.

In the meantime, Zeke needs to start fast this year. He can not start like last year.

I also think the role of the TE has to be quickly defined. Is Jarwin going to clearly handle the position or is Schultz part of the answer.

While we have Schultz still on his rookie deal..he needs to be played. None of this sacred cow stuff like with Witten.

We have to use every snap to establish our new identity under McCarthy.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[jaythecowboy]

I’m just saying in some instances it makes zero sense. Say we had the 5th overall pick in 2017 and Barkley was there, do we draft him because he was the BPA? What if you just drafted a top rated QB and the next year the BPA is another QB, do you draft him? What if we just gave a FA Center a massive contract and the BPA is a center, do you draft him?

There’s also a long history of first round busts so I don’t see how drafting a player of need increases the chances of a bust, especially when none of them have taken a snap in the NFL and you’re picking middle of the pack. Literally almost every team can say they got a steal because teams in front of them drafted on need, not BPA, which is why guys like Lamb and Jeudy went so late.

It increases chances of a bust when you take a player higher than warranted because it is a need. Obviously there is a bust factor with every player but the higher rated prospects are rated higher, in part, because there is less chance of them being a bust. Depending on the situation you in those situations you could still draft the player and then look to trade the player you already had on the roster. There are situations where you have to draft for need but what I appreciate about the Cowboys is they do a pretty good job plugging holes in free agency to allow them to pick the best player in the draft. At the end of the day everyone has their own evaluation of the prospects, but the Cowboys had Lamb #6 on their board and were able to pick him at 17, and filled a need because they needed a wr 3.

 

[OmerV]

 

[big dog cowboy]

The weakness of the Cowboys was the defense

Don't forget special teams and HC/staff.

 

[Redball Express]

Since everyone in the league knows Lamb was the best WR in the draft I wonder what we could get in trade for him. If he balls out this year then we could always trade him. Now, I don’t think we will since he was offered number 88.. But when teams get BPA and another team needs them then they can always trade them for something they need right..

Yeah.

So if things go according to Hoyell..

we might trade him for a 1st +?

Keep this in mind if Dak staggers under the pressure cooker he has created for himself.

If it stays at the Tag for only this year..

and Big Mike wants a rookie QB to work with..

a guy like CeeDee could become excellent trade bait to move up in the 2021 draft to get that QB.

File this away for later debate, hmmmm..

 

[Redball Express]

Don't forget special teams and HC/staff.

Jesus Big Dog..

Now you are beginning to make me feel good we were actually a success at 8-8.

That ain't true.

The Forum has spoken at length about how crappy we were.

 

[Redball Express]

I still have high hopes for Lamb, but like you, I watch a lot of Big 12 football and I’d be lying if I said there wasn’t a little bit of concern about him playing in the Big 12 which was arguably the worst defensive conference in college football.

A lot of people say Jeudy and Lamb were neck and neck over who is better but I would give Jeudy the edge due to the competition he faced compared to Lamb. Who knows though, the draft and player projections rarely ever pan out how people thought they would.

Yeah.

It's also that schemes used at the pro level will demand more intelligence from the player to read defenses.

Does a rookie have that? Does his new QB have that down?

It's a huge difference maker.

CeeDee seems up to this but we really don't know yet.

 

[glimmerman]

Yeah.

So if things go according to Hoyell..

we might trade him for a 1st +?

Keep this in mind if Dak staggers under the pressure cooker he has created for himself.

If it stays at the Tag for only this year..

and Big Mike wants a rookie QB to work with..

a guy like CeeDee could become excellent trade bait to move up in the 2021 draft to get that QB.

File this away for later debate, hmmmm..

I doubt Dak will regress. I honestly think he will get a contract before July 15th. JJ will drop the 5th year and it’s pretty much a done deal.