Can we copy cat Jackson and the Ravens?

[JayFord]

No

Dak isnt the kind of player or athlete Jackson is.....Dak is built like a Tree and has good speed but Jackson has elite Wide receiver deep threat speed

you dont need Dak taking off running more than 6 or 7 times as hes not going to beat a corner in a foot race

Lamar can just out run anyone on any given day and you have to respect that at all times which opens up passing lanes

 

[buybuydandavis]

My big question at this point is..

seeing how Jackson set the league on fire last season with his running out of pass formation..

are we going to incorporate that more into our offense?

are we going to run 4 receiver sets this year frequently?

Won't Zeke and the OL be able to open some gaping holes for Zeke and Pollard to exploit?

Will we do that?

If we run 4 receiver formations..will the QB draw and sweep be run? If the secondary takes off for the endzone to cover..has to be huge gaps to run thru.

Jackson with the Ravens have made that Jackson's trademark. Can Dak do that? Will he do that?

Farve was a mobile QB and he won like crazy.

Rodgers was not and was more of a pocket passer.

The WCO is very different than what we have been trying to do.

McCarthy has some things to adjust to with this cast of characters. Moore probably helps but still..

Dak needs to take on a new personality in 2020.

Here's wishing his success for sure. Everything depends on him now.

What do you guys see?

Comments?

We should have multiple run threat options *in addition* to Zeke when Zeke is on the field, and Dak should be one of them.

 

[buybuydandavis]

you dont need Dak taking off running more than 6 or 7 times as hes not going to beat a corner in a foot race

Dak doesn't have to beat corners in a foot race, just get us decent yardage. Good yardage for Dak on fakes to Zeke will pull defenses off of Zeke and up his yardage.

It's all about making the defense defend more players and more of the field.

 

[Redball Express]

We should have multiple run threat options *in addition* to Zeke when Zeke is on the field, and Dak should be one of them.

Yes and it needs to be part of the offense.

Not an unused stealth weapon.

It needs to be shown and force the other team to have to defend it.

It's like we have a QB that is irreplaceable. Now we have Dalton should something happen.

Play the game wide open. Nobody wants Dak hurt. But in order to win..

we must do something more aggressive.

 

[KingintheNorth]

The nfl always forces these guys to become nfl quarterbacks. It is going to be interesting so see jackson do that.

You mean besides go onto win the NFL MVP award?

About as bad a take as I've ever seen here. Congrats.

 

[dsturgeon]

Cooper, Gallup, Lamb, Jarwin, Zeke, Pollard

Dak running should not be a feature of this offense.

If it is wide open then he should get free yards, but there is no reason for Dak to take hits

 

[Redball Express]

Cooper, Gallup, Lamb, Jarwin, Zeke, Pollard

Dak running should not be a feature of this offense.

If it is wide open then he should get free yards, but there is no reason for Dak to take hits

I guess that is where we differ.

Dak needs to run.

 

[OmerV]

I guess that is where we differ.

Dak needs to run.

Dak needs to run occasionally, but not anything even remotely like Jackson, and not even close to enough to be a focal point of the offense. Jackson is the best runner on his team, and one of the best runners in the NFL. Dak isn’t in the same stratosphere on that front.

 

[Redball Express]

Dak needs to run occasionally, but not anything even remotely like Jackson, and not even close to enough to be a focal point of the offense. Jackson is the best runner on his team, and one of the best runners in the NFL. Dak isn’t in the same stratosphere on that front.

I don't know.

What you have been watching was the the lack of Garrett to play outside his sand box.

You have been conditioned to think that way.

Last year, Mahomes got hurt and was he missed one week and came back.

We just think we know.

And who cares if it's Dak or Zeke getting the contact. That's part of the game and for the 1st time..

we have Pollard and Dalton to play, too.

We are loaded.

 

[OmerV]

I don't know.

What you have been watching was the the lack of Garrett to play outside his sand box.

You have been conditioned to think that way.

Last year, Mahomes got hurt and was he missed one week and came back.

We just think we know.

And who cares if it's Dak or Zeke getting the contact. That's part of the game and for the 1st time..

we have Pollard and Dalton to play, too.

We are loaded.

No, what I’ve been watching is a QB with very ordinary speed (Dak ran 4.79) and another that has blazing speed (Lamar ran 4.34). And that Lamar has elite elusiveness and quickness to find and get through even small seams, and even when opponents expect him to run the ball, and that Dak finds running lanes because opponents are playing the pass rather than trying to stop the run.

I can’t for the life of me understand how you could watch the two players run and see even remotely the same running ability. The difference in speed between Dak and Lamar is bigger than the difference between Amari Cooper and Blake Jarwin. Same with elusiveness.

The reason it matters if Zeke has the ball on the majority of running plays instead of Dak is ridiculously obvious. Zeke is easily faster, stronger, and better, and if he gets hurt the team doesn’t also lose the player counted on to complete passes. So what if Mahomes came back after one week. That doesn’t make it the case with every QB that gets injured. Some may be out a month or a year.

Again, Jackson is among the top runners in the entire NFL, and Dak Isn’t elven the best runner on his team.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

My big question at this point is..

seeing how Jackson set the league on fire last season with his running out of pass formation..

are we going to incorporate that more into our offense?

are we going to run 4 receiver sets this year frequently?

Won't Zeke and the OL be able to open some gaping holes for Zeke and Pollard to exploit?

Will we do that?

If we run 4 receiver formations..will the QB draw and sweep be run? If the secondary takes off for the endzone to cover..has to be huge gaps to run thru.

Jackson with the Ravens have made that Jackson's trademark. Can Dak do that? Will he do that?

Farve was a mobile QB and he won like crazy.

Rodgers was not and was more of a pocket passer.

The WCO is very different than what we have been trying to do.

McCarthy has some things to adjust to with this cast of characters. Moore probably helps but still..

Dak needs to take on a new personality in 2020.

Here's wishing his success for sure. Everything depends on him now.

What do you guys see?

Comments?

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[Redball Express]

No, what I’ve been watching is a QB with very ordinary speed (Dak ran 4.79) and another that has blazing speed (Lamar ran 4.34). And that Lamar has elite elusiveness and quickness to find and get through even small seams, and even when opponents expect him to run the ball, and that Dak finds running lanes because opponents are playing the pass rather than trying to stop the run.

I can’t for the life of me understand how you could watch the two players run and see even remotely the same running ability. The difference in speed between Dak and Lamar is bigger than the difference between Amari Cooper and Blake Jarwin. Same with elusiveness.

The reason it matters if Zeke has the ball on the majority of running plays instead of Dak is ridiculously obvious. Zeke is easily faster, stronger, and better, and if he gets hurt the team doesn’t also lose the player counted on to complete passes. So what if Mahomes came back after one week. That doesn’t make it the case with every QB that gets injured. Some may be out a month or a year.

Again, Jackson is among the top runners in the entire NFL, and Dak Isn’t elven the best runner on his team.

I think you guys are just confused.

You guys are believing I mean have Dak become Jackson.

Yes and no. Physically they are different for sure.

But from the standpoint of have Dak be more willing to take off with the ball..yes I want that.

Staubach ran wild and destroyed defenses at times by his willingness to do it.

It changed how defenses played him. It opened up throwing lanes for him and he took what was there that was not there before.

Stauback had Dorsett. So sure he could hand off and it was effective. But as a QB you must protect yourself...get down..run out of bounds.

Sooner or later somebody would take a late hit and add 15 yds to the drive.

This was how we would many times win late in 4th Qts..

So I am not saying take the ball out of Zeke's hands to run Dak instead.

I will suggest take some throws from the WRs and tuck and run.

It all depends on how you see it.

It's about opportunity.

I suggest looking at DAKs college video. He ran very well at times and really moved his offense.

 

[Redball Express]

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Let me help you guys out.

This guy can run.

We all know it but everybody wants to see him be Payton.

BS.

Design the plays that take advantage of the talent.

 

[OmerV]

I think you guys are just confused.

You guys are believing I mean have Dak become Jackson.

Yes and no. Physically they are different for sure.

But from the standpoint of have Dak be more willing to take off with the ball..yes I want that.

Staubach ran wild and destroyed defenses at times by his willingness to do it.

It changed how defenses played him. It opened up throwing lanes for him and he took what was there that was not there before.

Stauback had Dorsett. So sure he could hand off and it was effective. But as a QB you must protect yourself...get down..run out of bounds.

Sooner or later somebody would take a late hit and add 15 yds to the drive.

This was how we would many times win late in 4th Qts..

So I am not saying take the ball out of Zeke's hands to run Dak instead.

I will suggest take some throws from the WRs and tuck and run.

It all depends on how you see it.

It's about opportunity.

I suggest looking at DAKs college video. He ran very well at times and really moved his offense.

You literally created this thread with the title “can we copycat Jackson and the Ravens”,

And you also disagreed with me when I said Dak needs to run, but not like Jackson or as a focal point of the offense.

Now you are saying you weren’t suggesting Dak be used like Jackson?

 

[Redball Express]

You literally created this thread with the title “can we copycat Jackson and the Ravens”,

And you also disagreed with me when I said Dak needs to run, but not like Jackson or as a focal point of the offense.

Now you are saying you weren’t suggesting Dak be used like Jackson?

Let me post what I mean.

If you do not understand it..just move on.

 

[OmerV]

Let me post what I mean.

If you do not understand it..just move on.

Lol - just move on? I was going with your thread title and your words. This video And what you are saying now does not match your thread title or the words you wrote before, so how that my fault?

What is in the video isn’t something Dak hasn’t done in the NFL. Albeit with less frequency than in college, in the NFL Dak has been used for the same kind of designed runs and has taken off When unable to find a receiver. Don’t be blinded by a few longer runs in college - you have to remember that whatever speed Dak has is is much less notable at the NFL level than the college level.

That said, I don’t disagree that Dak could maybe use his legs slightly more, but not so much it would constitute a shift in the offensive focus. And ultimately a team does not want to put much additional risk on the player that has responsibility for passing the ball to very talented receivers. Lamar is treated differently only because he his running is at an entirely different level and without it he likely wouldn’t even be a starting QB.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

You'd have to adjust your whole offense to fit the QB, which is what Baltimore did. It's a bold but smart move.

You also have to identify an elite athlete like Lamar. I'm mot sure who that is in college right now.

Dak is not as elite athletically at Lamar but don't underestimate his running ability.

The more Dak runs, the higher probability that we win.

I recall before last season we were something like 7-1 when Dak ran more than 5 times. Used to be in my signature on these forums.

We can and should be incorporating some of what Baltimore does, without needing to really change personnel. Heck, Zeke is one of the best blocking RBs in the league.

If only T. Fred didn't retire

 

[KingintheNorth]

The more Dak runs, the higher probability that we win.

Ask any of my family members of friends that I watch the Cowboys games with. I say this two or three times a game, and last year I was screaming it. " The most dangerous Dak is a mobile Dak."

 

[Redball Express]

Lol - just move on? I was going with your thread title and your words. This video And what you are saying now does not match your thread title or the words you wrote before, so how that my fault?

What is in the video isn’t something Dak hasn’t done in the NFL. Albeit with less frequency than in college, in the NFL Dak has been used for the same kind of designed runs and has taken off When unable to find a receiver. Don’t be blinded by a few longer runs in college - you have to remember that whatever speed Dak has is is much less notable at the NFL level than the college level.

That said, I don’t disagree that Dak could maybe use his legs slightly more, but not so much it would constitute a shift in the offensive focus. And ultimately a team does not want to put much additional risk on the player that has responsibility for passing the ball to very talented receivers. Lamar is treated differently only because he his running is at an entirely different level and without it he likely wouldn’t even be a starting QB.

Time is your friend, bro.

You can keep typing all you want.

Ain't changing nothing.

Until the coaches work in a change ain't nothing going to be different.

I am suggesting change in a year full of change.

Dak is never going to be major factor in the league until he uses ALL of his ability.

If you are content with him running your team..fine. He has taken 4 years to get us to 8-8.

Most of us are wanting more but I admit many fans are happy to be low hanging fruit.

So you do your version of success, I will do mine and we shall see.

I always get a grin at fans that decide they know so much more than the rest.

Go for it son.

 

[KingintheNorth]

We can and should be incorporating some of what Baltimore does, without needing to really change personnel.

It's why I was rooting for Urban Meyer or even Dan Mullen to be the next head coach. Their offensive scheme is ideal for Dak.