Recap: Anyone still think Dak was wrong to turning down Cowboys Deal

[NotForLong]

Well we can't call anyone idiotic or question their love without seeing the contract. Let's remember we still don't know what was offered just speculation. If Dak was offered 475 million I think he too would've "showed his love" for the Cowboys lol.

I am not saying he is idiotic. I am saying the way he is going about it is idiotic. He is playing hardball with his biggest & possibly last supporter.

The Owner.

But if you want to claim all the leaks are speculation and everything is rumor then any discussions are irrelavent.

But if there is truth to the rumors then Dak played a bad hand. . . Because while Dak had 2 aces to start. (Undying love from half the Fandom & Perceived Position Scarcity) . . . Jerry hit the gutshot straight (Dalton) on the river .

(Rumor has it McCarthy triped over one of his kids toys running to the Phone, when he heard Dalton was released)

Yeah, it's true divine Providence works in mysterious ways . . And I am thankful.

(And that's why Dak's Agent is my Hero)

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I am not saying he is idiotic. I am saying the way he is going about it is idiotic. He is playing hardball with his biggest & possibly last supporter.

The Owner.

But if you want to claim all the leaks are speculation and everything is rumor then any discussions are irrelavent.

But if there is truth to the rumors then Dak played a bad hand. . . Because while Dak had 2 aces to start. (Undying love from half the Fandom & Perceived Position Scarcity) . . . Jerry hit the gutshot straight (Dalton) on the river .

(Rumor has it McCarthy triped over one of his kids toys running to the Phone, when he heard Dalton was released)

Yeah, it's true divine Providence works in mysterious ways . . And I am thankful.

(And that's why Dak's Agent is my Hero)

Of course McCarthy wanted Dalton. If Dak were to get Covid 19 who would you rather come in for 2 or 3 weeks? Dalton or Cooper Rush? It was a no brainer.

Let's also be realistic and realize that Dalton was so sought after he signed for cheap to be a backup. Seems like someone that warrants you to step on your kids toy and run to the phone should warrant a little more than he got. But who knows.

And let's also don't pretend this isn't a two way street. If I'm to believe Jerry is his "only last supporter"(sounds silly to suggest) then you can say the same about Jerry. He's not necessarily the most popular owner out there right now. Dak allows him to save face whether people want to admit it or not.

 

[erod]

One things for sure Dak is a savvy business man. Todd France and CAA were hired by Dak and his brothers to get them to this position if Dak did his part.....

I really wonder what the Cowboys initial offer was??? In hindsight could be very insulting....

That's like saying Michael Gallup should hold out until he sees DeAndre Hopkins next deal.

There is ZERO comparison between Mahomes and Dak.

Mahomes is significantly better at every aspect of the game compared to Dak.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That's like saying Michael Gallup should hold out until he sees DeAndre Hopkins next deal.

There is ZERO comparison between Mahomes and Dak.

Mahomes is significantly better at every aspect of the game compared to Dak.

Uhhh yeah Gallup should. Amari Cooper held out until Michael Thomas got what he got. I don't know why you guys act like this is new or foreign like this is the first time something like this has happened.

 

[erod]

Uhhh yeah Gallup should. Amari Cooper held out until Michael Thomas got what he got. I don't know why you guys act like this is new or foreign like this is the first time something like this has happened.

I hope Gallup should one day. Maybe you're right on him. Perhaps I should have used Noah Brown or somebody.

The point is, Dak is nowhere near the talent that Mahomes is. It's like comparing Julius Jones to Emmitt Smith.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Dead wrong. If he doesn’t wind up getting a good long term contract from the Cowboys, it will be one of the greatest mismanaged blunders by a greedy player and agent

They had Jerry on the hook but they left that long term money on the table for greed.

Time will decide this question



Definition of greed

: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (such as money) than is needed

When he signs for big money then you were dead wrong then, right?

 

[Adreme]

Signing bonus..... which is likely more than 30 million. Playing on tag now.......so thus far he is still short the huge signing bonus he turned down last year. He has half as much in the bank as he should and that deficit can only be made up with a Pat Mahomes type deal.......which he'll get if Dallas wins a super bowl. Not betting on it though.

Not really. The signing bonus is not going anywhere. The signing bonus would be the same if he signed a deal last year this year or next year.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I hope Gallup should one day. Maybe you're right on him. Perhaps I should have used Noah Brown or somebody.

The point is, Dak is nowhere near the talent that Mahomes is. It's like comparing Julius Jones to Emmitt Smith.

But its not though lol. I get what you're doing. I get you're trying to devaluing him. But Dak is not equivalent to Julius Jones. Just not.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think he made a mistake but hey, it's his mistake to make so whatever.

 

[glimmerman]

Opening offer wasn’t insulting. It’s a negotiation. If your the one paying then you don’t start at your max offer.

JJ has a max dollar he will and can afford to go to. I heard the latest offer was almost 36 a year.

Realize that this deal is a flat out deal. There isn’t a year or 2 left to prorate or kick the can down the road. If he agrees to 40 a year then he is paying 40 a year. Now you can renegotiate this deal early as a extension but this deal right now is a straight deal.

If Daks agent don’t care and won’t work with JJ then he is playing under the tag for the next 2 year. He will get 37 million next year. If he signs a deal now he could get more than that and could get a signing bonus. Some nice guaranteed money. This agent is costing his client some money.

Does anyone think another team is going to offer Dak 45 a year. No. I don’t think mahomes is even going to end up making that. His deal will be redone in 4 or 5 years.

Offer Dak 38. For 4 years. Or what ever your max offer is. The deal was almost done last year and after the fins game Daks agent said he wanted more. That started bad blood. I hope Dak sits in these negotiations. If he does then a deal will get done.

 

[Sydla]

Not really. The signing bonus is not going anywhere. The signing bonus would be the same if he signed a deal last year this year or next year.

Timing matters.

The signing bonus might not change but what you can't change is that he earned only $2MM in cash in 2019 when he could have earned, say over $30MM in cash in 2019 (signing bonus + whatever base was in his extension).

And this is why he is holding firm at 4 years. He needs to hit FA sooner so he can recoup some of the lost money he gave up last year.

 

[visionary]

One things for sure Dak is a savvy business man. Todd France and CAA were hired by Dak and his brothers to get them to this position if Dak did his part.....

I really wonder what the Cowboys initial offer was??? In hindsight could be very insulting....

still waiting for Dak fans to wake up and become Cowboy fans

 

[NotForLong]

Dead wrong. If he doesn’t wind up getting a good long term contract from the Cowboys, it will be one of the greatest mismanaged blunders by a greedy player and agent

They had Jerry on the hook but they left that long term money on the table for greed.

Time will decide this question



Definition of greed

: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (such as money) than is needed

He'll be infamous

 

[glimmerman]

Timing matters.

The signing bonus might not change but what you can't change is that he earned only $2MM in cash in 2019 when he could have earned, say over $30MM in cash in 2019 (signing bonus + whatever base was in his extension).

His agent IMO is costing Dak money. There was a deal in place last year that was about done and after the fins game his agent pulled the rug out. I think that may have started bad blood.

He made 2 million last year. Not sure what the offer was but guessing more than 2 million he made. Guessing more than 31 he will make this year. Lots of money lost. Next year will be 37. The current offer is around 36. Daks agent is under a lot of pressure now. Just because mahomes got more don’t mean JJ will pay that and not her team will pay it either.

 

[Kwyn]

It was

How are we gonna get Haskins when the Commanders have him?

Are the Commanders interested in trading him? If so I say no we alteady got our Haskins in the form of Prescott. Even though having Haskins would be better because of the cap hit

it wasn’t an actual trade suggestion

what I was stating was if you mess around and let go of Dak through a double tag, you risk ending up like the Commanders

Think e Commanders would like a do-over on how they handles Cousins? They went cheap, tried to get cute, trying to milk a couple of years on the tag and then got stuck

now they have a borderline starting quality QB who better have a big year or he will be a bust

They are ok the verge of being in a QB wasteland where they could wander for years, never able to compete, hoping against hope to find a quality starter.

That’s what we risk by rolling the dice and letting Dak hit true free agency after next season. Someone will pay him, just like the Vikings did, and by that point the relationship will be so bad that Dak will be looking to start somewhere else where a team shows him commitment

Dak is a quality NFL starting QB. People trick themselves into believing those are easy to find

Ask the Commanders.
Ask the Jaguars.
Ask the Bears.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Timing matters.

The signing bonus might not change but what you can't change is that he earned only $2MM in cash in 2019 when he could have earned, say over $30MM in cash in 2019 (signing bonus + whatever base was in his extension).

And this is why he is holding firm at 4 years. He needs to hit FA sooner so he can recoup some of the lost money he gave up last year.

So does CAA. They sold him on this strategy so they have to make it good for him or it's a fail for them IMO. I don't think they are ever going to make that money up fully but I think he's going to make some of it up. CAA is in this for them IMO. They would have been smart to take the deal IMO but you know what, nobody is asking me to represent them in any negotiations so what do I know?

 

[Flamma]

Ya which means that on a 500m+ deal they can get out relatively cheap any time they want after the 1st 3 years

Well kind of, relatively speaking that is. If you consider an 80 to 100 mil dead cap cheap. But i guess that's an out for the chiefs if he has a career ending injury.

 

[fivetwos]

I still say Prescott is crazy for not taking all that he can for as long of a term he can right now.

Betting he is going to cash in again on the wrong side of 30 (he will need to win at least one SB to do so).

The agent could also be fired before the next payday comes, so I dont see why they would push that way.

None of it has ever made any sense to me, but then again, we don't know exactly what is happening.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It was

it wasn’t an actual trade suggestion

what I was stating was if you mess around and let go of Dak through a double tag, you risk ending up like the Commanders

Think e Commanders would like a do-over on how they handles Cousins? They went cheap, tried to get cute, trying to milk a couple of years on the tag and then got stuck

now they have a borderline starting quality QB who better have a big year or he will be a bust

They are ok the verge of being in a QB wasteland where they could wander for years, never able to compete, hoping against hope to find a quality starter.

That’s what we risk by rolling the dice and letting Dak hit true free agency after next season. Someone will pay him, just like the Vikings did, and by that point the relationship will be so bad that Dak will be looking to start somewhere else where a team shows him commitment

Dak is a quality NFL starting QB. People trick themselves into believing those are easy to find

Ask the Commanders.
Ask the Jaguars.
Ask the Bears.

On the other hand, the Chiefs kinda did the same thing with Smith and ended up with Mahomes. You never really know.....

 

[blueblood70]

One things for sure Dak is a savvy business man. Todd France and CAA were hired by Dak and his brothers to get them to this position if Dak did his part.....

I really wonder what the Cowboys initial offer was??? In hindsight could be very insulting....

yes DAK IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO MAHOMES zip code in pay..it changes NOTHING... last chirping i heard was it was length, SO 10 years for Mahomes and Dak wont take 5? if anything this is good for the DC for legnth..it was last rumored Dak was offered 35 anyone think 5 year 35 is a slight on Dak, is spending far tooo much time With Randy Gregory and david Irving..

RW is far better then Dak, Mahomes light years better, Dak doesnt deserve that deal..so 35 yes he should , 35 and 5years and run with it ..