Recap: Anyone still think Dak was wrong to turning down Cowboys Deal

[Doomsday101]

No he did not - he did nothing of the sort. That is one of the most team friendly deals I have ever seen if Overthecap is correct.

He does not even have the guaranteed amount of Goff or Wentz I don't think.

Team friendly? LOL, at the start of the deal sure after that his contract explodes. However NFL with a new TV contact that is coming is expected to increase the cap by a good margin which is why Dak wants the 4 year deal so that he has a chance to take advantage of the new contract the NFL will be getting.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

I don't expect Dak to get the deal as Mahomes did but don't kid yourself Mahomes is getting the $141,481,905 right off the bat, how KC plays it off the cap is more their business than his. Players are always looking for guaranteed money. Your right 2020 contract is still part of his rookie deal so what

Ok so 141m over 5 years is what? 28.2m per season

 

[Doomsday101]

Ok so 141m over 5 years is what? 28.2m per season

He has a no trade clause in the deal so he is not going anywhere and after 2024 his yearly contract never dips below 41 million a year and with 3 season over over 50 mill.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't expect Dak to get the deal as Mahomes did but don't kid yourself Mahomes is getting the $141,481,905 right off the bat, how KC plays it off the cap is more their business than his. Players are always looking for guaranteed money. Your right 2020 contract is still part of his rookie deal so what

I think that's the issue some fans are having. They are using Mahomes deal to gauge what Dak will or should sign but the way that deal was structured to me is moot unless Dak signs a 10 year deal.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I do. This upcoming season will likely be the first one in decades where the league pulls in less money than the previous one, thanks to the pandemic. I think his best negotiating power was this offseason and in the next one he'll have less.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

He has a no trade clause in the deal so he is not going anywhere and after 2024 his yearly contract never dips below 41 million a year and with 3 season over over 50 mill.

He is at the mercy of the Chiefs after 2024 they don't have to pick up his roster bonus if they don't want to, meaning they can get out of the deal relatively cheap (considering it is a 500+m deal) anytime they want

 

[Doomsday101]

Contract Notes:

• $63M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2020 salary + 2021 salary + 2021 roster bonus + 2022 salary + 2022 roster bonus)
• 2023 salary & roster bonus + workout bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league of 2021 ($100M of total dead cap)
• 2024 salary & roster bonus + workout bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league day of 2022 ($113.3M of total dead cap)
• 2025 roster bonus + workout bonus fully guarantees on the 3rd league day of 2023 ($121.3M of total dead cap)
• 2025 salary + workout bonus fully guarantees on the 3rd league day of 2024 ($81.9M of total dead cap)
• 2026 roster bonus fully guarantees on the 3rd league day of 2025 ($80.85M of total dead cap)
• 2026 salary + workout bonus , 2027 roster bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league day of 2026 ($91.35M of total dead cap)
• 2027 salary + workout bonus + 2028 salary + 2028 roster bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league of 2027 ($55M of total dead cap)
• 2029 salary + workout bonus & 2029 roster bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league day of 2028 ($89.4M of total dead cap)
• 2030 salary & 2030 roster bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league day of 2029 ($94.85M of total dead cap)
• 2031 roster bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league day of 2030 ($63.8M of total dead cap)
• 2031 base salary fully guarantees on the 3rd league day of 2031 ($51.9M of total dead cap)
• 2022-2031: $2.5 million incentives ($1.25 million winning AFC Champ Game $1.25 million NFL MVP)
• No Trade Clause

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Contract Notes:

• $63M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2020 salary + 2021 salary + 2021 roster bonus + 2022 salary + 2022 roster bonus)
• 2023 salary & roster bonus + workout bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league of 2021 ($100M of total dead cap)
• 2024 salary & roster bonus + workout bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league day of 2022 ($113.3M of total dead cap)
• 2025 roster bonus + workout bonus fully guarantees on the 3rd league day of 2023 ($121.3M of total dead cap)
• 2025 salary + workout bonus fully guarantees on the 3rd league day of 2024 ($81.9M of total dead cap)
• 2026 roster bonus fully guarantees on the 3rd league day of 2025 ($80.85M of total dead cap)
• 2026 salary + workout bonus , 2027 roster bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league day of 2026 ($91.35M of total dead cap)
• 2027 salary + workout bonus + 2028 salary + 2028 roster bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league of 2027 ($55M of total dead cap)
• 2029 salary + workout bonus & 2029 roster bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league day of 2028 ($89.4M of total dead cap)
• 2030 salary & 2030 roster bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league day of 2029 ($94.85M of total dead cap)
• 2031 roster bonus fully guarantee on the 3rd league day of 2030 ($63.8M of total dead cap)
• 2031 base salary fully guarantees on the 3rd league day of 2031 ($51.9M of total dead cap)
• 2022-2031: $2.5 million incentives ($1.25 million winning AFC Champ Game $1.25 million NFL MVP)
• No Trade Clause

Yes every roster bonus they pick up gurantees the next years roster bonus so if they don't pick up one year it means that whatever year they are on the last year of the deal. The Chiefs have all the leverage and all it cost them to get out of the deal is the roster bonus for the next season. Pretty cheap on a 500m deal

 

[atlantacowboy]

It would not have been 30 million last year, it would have been an extension like every other deal that is done.

Signing bonus..... which is likely more than 30 million. Playing on tag now.......so thus far he is still short the huge signing bonus he turned down last year. He has half as much in the bank as he should and that deficit can only be made up with a Pat Mahomes type deal.......which he'll get if Dallas wins a super bowl. Not betting on it though.

 

[McKDaddy]

It was a bad move by Dak.

Cash is king and never more so than with this god awful pandemic. It's a bit crass but if Dak had signed in March, I pretty confident any investment advisor could turn that into far more than he'd make by holding off. If he waits until next year and signs in March for 40m a season a lot of opportunities created by Covid are gone. If he's smart he gets his money before July 15 and pushes as much into a signing bonus as possible.

I don't have a problem with someone betting on themselves but ya gotta understand sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. He and his agent got caught up with the crowd that believed salaries always go up and didn't factor any risk into their equations. Well, now the market has hit a couple snags. One being that apparently the FO does NOT have a blank check mentality when it comes to paying Dak. Secondly, a worldwide pandemic that is going to have repercussions for years to come it would appear. Timing is everything. His timing is awful. It is now clear that he would have been better off to put cash in his pocket last year and to have had a salary on the books so that when they figure out how much players will get for missed games this year he was starting from a large base salary. He and his agent finally admitted the situation & signed the tag to get something on the books for this year. There will be no extension with the season in serious doubt. Furthermore, if he had signed last year the fan base wouldn't have stewed on all this for a year which is damaging him whether anyone wants to admit it or not.

 

[Ranched]

While he's not Mahomes, the preponderance of evidence suggests Dak's a top ten qb & somewhere in the six to eight range.

The idea that the Cowboys can just replace him with a cheaper option and get similar production is not supported by evidence or history.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

There were idiots saying that lol?

There have been idiots every step of the way. Many saying he should sign for Foles or Tannehill money and be happy with it.

 

[Qcard]

You never know. Jerry might be laughing at the Chiefs for paying that much. He might be saying, "Those guys are idiots! I'm not paying that much to one player."

Could be but Jerry is also the GM CEO of the most valuable and recognizable Sports Franchise Team
Jerry might say I've got a yatch plus Dak Contract done....so

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

While he's not Mahomes, the preponderance of evidence suggests Dak's a top ten qb & somewhere in the six to eight range.

The idea that the Cowboys can just replace him with a cheaper option and get similar production is not supported by evidence or history.

Well the argument is that Dak is a product of great coaching and a great supporting cast.....yet they somehow keep going 8-8 with or without him.....

 

[atlantacowboy]

While he's not Mahomes, the preponderance of evidence suggests Dak's a top ten qb & somewhere in the six to eight range.

The idea that the Cowboys can just replace him with a cheaper option and get similar production is not supported by evidence or history.

If Dak would accept a deal that paid him the 6-8 range among Qbs, he would have signed last year when he was offered top 5 money. But, he wants to be the #2 guy behind Mahomes in terms of salary. Dallas can't pay him based on salary cap projections 3-4 years down the road b/c growth isn't a given. In fact with Covid and so many players pushing their politics on the NFL now, the league is very likely to take a huge financial hit. Letting Dak play on a tag is the smart move.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You never know. Jerry might be laughing at the Chiefs for paying that much. He might be saying, "Those guys are idiots! I'm not paying that much to one player."

I doubt it. Because Jerry has given out more money than anyone to players who have done nothing but go 8-8. He's in no position to laugh at anyone.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If Dak would accept a deal that paid him the 6-8 range among Qbs, he would have signed last year when he was offered top 5 money. But, he wants to be the #2 guy behind Mahomes in terms of salary. Dallas can't pay him based on salary cap projections 3-4 years down the road b/c growth isn't a given. In fact with Covid and so many players pushing their politics on the NFL now, the league is very likely to take a huge financial hit. Letting Dak play on a tag is the smart move.

So your argument is let Dak play on the tag because he will be cheaper because of Covid?

 

[OmerV]

If Dak would accept a deal that paid him the 6-8 range among Qbs, he would have signed last year when he was offered top 5 money. But, he wants to be the #2 guy behind Mahomes in terms of salary. Dallas can't pay him based on salary cap projections 3-4 years down the road b/c growth isn't a given. In fact with Covid and so many players pushing their politics on the NFL now, the league is very likely to take a huge financial hit. Letting Dak play on a tag is the smart move.

But the thing is some of those players in the 9-8 range may have signed contracts a few years ago, which means they are not reflective of the current market. I think that's what some misunderstand - they don't realize pay is not a player ranking system, nor could it be because all QBs do not negotiate and sign contracts at the same time under the same market conditions.

By the way, how do you know he was offered top 5 money a year ago, and where does length of contract come into play, which is what most reports indicate is the roadblock rather than pay?

 

[Sydla]

Team friendly? LOL, at the start of the deal sure after that his contract explodes. However NFL with a new TV contact that is coming is expected to increase the cap by a good margin which is why Dak wants the 4 year deal so that he has a chance to take advantage of the new contract the NFL will be getting.

Sure, when you look at just the numbers, it looks like it explodes but when you look at the details, it's not that soul crushing for the Chiefs.

For example, if they want to cut Mahomes in 2026 before that league year starts, they are only on the hook for $39MM in roster/work out bonuses for 2026 that they picked up the previous year. And that hit they would likely spread over two years - so basically $20MM in dead money for two years. That's it from a cap perspective, it's not great but it also soul crushing from a cap perspective. All those millions in roster bonuses in future years? Gone.

 

[shabazz]

Dead wrong. If he doesn’t wind up getting a good long term contract from the Cowboys, it will be one of the greatest mismanaged blunders by a greedy player and agent

They had Jerry on the hook but they left that long term money on the table for greed.

Time will decide this question



Definition of greed

: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (such as money) than is needed