Video: Is Tony Romo a Hall of Famer? Jesse Holley says

[Super_Kazuya]

Hmmm - so, Fouts finishing 2nd in yardage and 4th in TDs isn't a fact.

The word "fact" means something different than you apparently think it does.

By the way, it's also a fact that Fouts is in the HOF - a first ballot HOFer - and that without playoff success that leaves his stats as his primary qualification.

So what I have is history. If you think I'm wrong, come back to me after the 2022 HOF voters, and lets see if the voters consider Romo with the same regard as they did Fouts in 1993.

I don’t think you’re going to be around in 2022, Boomer. You’re fading fast with these horrible “arguments” and you’re constant crying and complaining.
Lacking a Super Bowl, Fouts is in the HOF for two reasons: 1) he was a very good QB 2) he had almost no competition. If you take the caliber of his career... he was “only” a two time All-Pro, threw tons of interceptions to go with his tons of touchdowns and never was MVP... and start it at the same time as Romo’s did, then he’s Matt Ryan.

 

[OmerV]

I don’t think you’re going to be around in 2022, Boomer. You’re fading fast with these horrible “arguments” and you’re constant crying and complaining.
Lacking a Super Bowl, Fouts is in the HOF for two reasons: 1) he was a very good QB 2) he had almost no competition. If you take the caliber of his career... he was “only” a two time All-Pro, threw tons of interceptions to go with his tons of touchdowns and never was MVP... and start it at the same time as Romo’s did, then he’s Matt Ryan.

lol - again, just the angry, I hate Omer act. No substance.

Even the arguments you attempt to use work against you. If Fouts had no completition, that actually supports my point that he was regarded as much better in his era than Romo is in his, Besides, how do you measure that? If it wasn't playoff success, then it was statistics.

As for starting at the same time as Romo did, you made my point exactly. He didn't start at that time, and you can't judge him by the standards of that time. My point all along was that all HOF voters have to go by is how players stack up in the era in which they played and in which the voting takes place, and in that era Fouts was considered to be much more than Matt Ryan is today. He was the guy that ran Air Coryell, and he passed Johnny Unitas in passing yards, which was, in that era, like passing Walter Payton in rushing yards. It was considered a huge accomplishment.

But, again, we can wait a few years and see if HOF voters regard Romo in the same way they did Fouts.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

lol - again, just the angry, I hate Omer act. No substance.

Even the arguments you attempt to use work against you. If Fouts had no completition, that actually supports my point that he was regarded as much better in his era than Romo is in his, Besides, how do you measure that? If it wasn't playoff success, then it was statistics.

As for starting at the same time as Romo did, you made my point exactly. He didn't start at that time, and you can't judge him by the standards of that time. My point all along was that all HOF voters have to go by is how players stack up in the era in which they played and in which the voting takes place, and in that era Fouts was considered to be much more than Matt Ryan is today. He was the guy that ran Air Coryell, and he passed Johnny Unitas in passing yards, which was, in that era, like passing Walter Payton in rushing yards. It was considered a huge accomplishment.

But, again, we can wait a few years and see if HOF voters regard Romo in the same way they did Fouts.

Uh no you still aren’t good at reading. He wasn’t heads and shoulders above for even his own time. He never won MVP... in his own time. He threw a lot of interceptions... even for his own time. How dense are you?
We can objectively look and see that only 3 QBs who started their career in the 1970s with Fouts made the Hall... and Montana started in 1979 but didn’t play regularly until two years later and played into the 90s. Compare that to six HOFers from the 1980s and who knows how many will be from the 1990s and beyond. The quality of Fouts career - even in context from his time - would not hold up in this era. He was not as far above his contemporaries as Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Brady, etc.

 

[OmerV]

Uh no you still aren’t good at reading. He wasn’t heads and shoulders above for even his own time. He never won MVP... in his own time. He threw a lot of interceptions... even for his own time. How dense are you?
We can objectively look and see that only 3 QBs who started their career in the 1970s with Fouts made the Hall... and Montana started in 1979 but didn’t play regularly until two years later and played into the 90s. Compare that to six HOFers from the 1980s and who knows how many will be from the 1990s and beyond. The quality of Fouts career - even in context from his time - would not hold up in this era. He was not as far above his contemporaries as Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Brady, etc.

lol - and if winning MVPs in individual seasons didn't get him there, that further supports the idea that his career stats are what got him in.

You ridiculously haven't even realized you are eliminating any other explanation for why he got in except career stats. You are your own worst enemy.

And yes, he threw a lot of INTs, but that further supports the idea that career yards and TDs were what got him in - so thanks for continually proving my point.

But further, high INTs rates weren't unusual for that time. Unitas threw a lot of INTs, and he was the gold standard for QB's. Again, you are trying to apply today's standards to that era, and that's nonsense. 1993 voters didn' vote on what the standards are in 2020,

I'm wondering if you are very young. If so, congratulations on the crotchety old man who hates everything act. But also, you apparently have no idea about what was going in in the NFL in those days. Again, passing Unitas was huge, and got a lot of attention. It was considered a major milestone. The fact Unitas' number isn't close to that today doesn't change what it was then.

But, again, let's just wait and see if HOF voters give Romo the same consideration they did Fouts.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

lol - and if winning MVPs in individual seasons didn't get him there, that further supports the idea that his career stats are what got him in.

You ridiculously haven't even realized you are eliminating any other explanation for why he got in except career stats. You are your own worst enemy.

And yes, he threw a lot of INTs, but that further supports the idea that career yards and TDs were what got him in - so thanks for continually proving my point.

But further, high INTs rates weren't unusual for that time. Unitas threw a lot of INTs, and he was the gold standard for QB's. Again, you are trying to apply today's standards to that era, and that's nonsense. 1993 voters didn' vote on what the standards are in 2020,

I'm wondering if you are very young. If so, congratulations on the crotchety old man who hates everything act. But also, you apparently have no idea about what was going in in the NFL in those days. Again, passing Unitas was huge, and got a lot of attention. It was considered a major milestone. The fact Unitas' number isn't close to that today doesn't change what it was then.

But, again, let's just wait and see if HOF voters give Romo the same consideration they did Fouts.

So again, you're one of the worst readers I've ever seen on this board, so the repeating has to continue:

He threw a lot of interceptions - even for his time.

He won 0 MVPs - in his own time

His numbers were good but not overwhelming - in his own time

He made the Hall of Fame because he was the best of a bad bunch - which can objectively be seen from both the statistics - from his own time - and the lack of HOF QBs who were enshrined - from his own time. He made six Pro Bowls and 2 first team All-Pros... which is certainly very good, but wouldn't move the needle in a strong era.

Romo will not get the same consideration because his career overlapped with, among others Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers, who have 10 MVPs just among those three. Fouts had 0 MVPs in, you guessed it, his own time.

Learn to read and stop being so lazy that you can't do basic research.

 

[OmerV]

So again, you're one of the worst readers I've ever seen on this board, so the repeating has to continue:

He threw a lot of interceptions - even for his time.

He won 0 MVPs - in his own time

His numbers were good but not overwhelming - in his own time

He made the Hall of Fame because he was the best of a bad bunch - which can objectively be seen from both the statistics - from his own time - and the lack of HOF QBs who were enshrined - from his own time. He made six Pro Bowls and 2 first team All-Pros... which is certainly very good, but wouldn't move the needle in a strong era.

Romo will not get the same consideration because his career overlapped with, among others Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers, who have 10 MVPs just among those three. Fouts had 0 MVPs in, you guessed it, his own time.

Learn to read and stop being so lazy that you can't do basic research.

MVPs go to players on successful teams, and the Chargers almost never had successful teams. Plus, while an MVP helps boost credentials, HOF voting isn't an honor based on 1 year. It honors career achievement. Again, that's where the career stats come in, and you are still proving my point that career stats are what got Fouts in.

And, even if he was best of a bad bunch, that still supports that he was, for his time, much better than Romo is for his time. Again, you are putting out comments that support what I've said, not what you've said.

And, by the way, while you are putting down Fouts credentials as compared to Romo, and saying Fouts doesn't have that great a number of All-Pro and Pro Bowl nods, it should be noted that Romo has fewer All Pro and Pro Bowl nods than Fouts.

But, none of this is productive. So, again, lets wait and see how the HOF voters treat Romo relative to how they treated Fouts.

 

[Hagman]

Will Romo get in the Hall of Fame? If he buys a ticket--yes. Some year when he announces the HOF of Fame game--you bet. Thirty years from now for winning the HOF Pete Rozelle broadcaster thingy--his best shot. As a player----pfffffttttt.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

MVPs go to players on successful teams, and the Chargers almost never had successful teams. Plus, while an MVP helps boost credentials, HOF voting isn't an honor based on 1 year. It honors career achievement. Again, that's where the career stats come in, and you are still proving my point that career stats are what got Fouts in.

And, even if he was best of a bad bunch, that still supports that he was, for his time, much better than Romo is for his time. Again, you are putting out comments that support what I've said, not what you've said.

And, by the way, while you are putting down Fouts credentials as compared to Romo, and saying Fouts doesn't have that great a number of All-Pro and Pro Bowl nods, it should be noted that Romo has fewer All Pro and Pro Bowl nods than Fouts.

But, none of this is productive. So, again, lets wait and see how the HOF voters treat Romo relative to how they treated Fouts.

lol... being the best of a bad bunch does not mean he was better than Romo was in his time. I can't believe you typed something that stupid. We have plenty of ways to adjust for era and we know that Romo was just as good in his era as Fouts was in his.

I have no issue with Fouts being in the Hall of Fame and I think he's a stronger candidate than Romo is. I'm just not a brain dead troll who will pretend that Fouts didn't play in an anemic era for QBs while Romo will probably watch 7-8 QBs go in the Hall just from his time.

 

[G2]

I don’t think you’re going to be around in 2022, Boomer. You’re fading fast with these horrible “arguments” and you’re constant crying and complaining.
Lacking a Super Bowl, Fouts is in the HOF for two reasons: 1) he was a very good QB 2) he had almost no competition. If you take the caliber of his career... he was “only” a two time All-Pro, threw tons of interceptions to go with his tons of touchdowns and never was MVP... and start it at the same time as Romo’s did, then he’s Matt Ryan.

Boomer? Are you getting the feels?

 

[OmerV]

lol... being the best of a bad bunch does not mean he was better than Romo was in his time. I can't believe you typed something that stupid. We have plenty of ways to adjust for era and we know that Romo was just as good in his era as Fouts was in his.

I have no issue with Fouts being in the Hall of Fame and I think he's a stronger candidate than Romo is. I'm just not a brain dead troll who will pretend that Fouts didn't play in an anemic era for QBs while Romo will probably watch 7-8 QBs go in the Hall just from his time.

I said he was better FOR HIS TIME than Romo was FOR HIS TIME, not that being better than a bad bunch makes him a better QB than Romo was in his time. But thanks for showing you aren't above twisting words to make a fantasy point.

As I've said, I don't believe Fouts was a better QB than Romo, but Romo wasn't in his peer group, and HOF voters can only vote on where players are viewed at that time they play.

But, again, this isn't productive, so we will see how HOF voters treat Romo relative to how they treated Fouts.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I said he was better FOR HIS TIME than Romo was FOR HIS TIME, not that being better than a bad bunch makes him a better QB than Romo was in his time. But thanks for showing you aren't above twisting words to make a fantasy point.

As I've said, I don't believe Fouts was a better QB than Romo, but Romo wasn't in his peer group, and HOF voters can only vote on where players are viewed at that time they play.

But, again, this isn't productive, so we will see how HOF voters treat Romo relative to how they treated Fouts.

You keep saying that as if it’s some kind of profound statement. Romo will get exactly five seconds of consideration or however long it takes for the few voters who don’t know he didn’t win a Super Bowl to read that and then cross him off the list. There won’t be any need to examine his case beyond that. The voting standards have changed over time to where that has basically become a minimum requirement. I’m not even sure a modern day Dan Marino would get in now, which is crazy, but it just goes to show how crazy it’s become with QBs now being associated with winning Super Bowls as much or more than the coach and organization.

 

[OmerV]

You keep saying that as if it’s some kind of profound statement. Romo will get exactly five seconds of consideration or however long it takes for the few voters who don’t know he didn’t win a Super Bowl to read that and then cross him off the list. There won’t be any need to examine his case beyond that. The voting standards have changed over time to where that has basically become a minimum requirement. I’m not even sure a modern day Dan Marino would get in now, which is crazy, but it just goes to show how crazy it’s become with QBs now being associated with winning Super Bowls as much or more than the coach and organization.

Again, productive conversation with you isn't possible, so we will wait and let the HOF voters have their say. Look me up when Romo is voted on.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Again, productive conversation with you isn't possible, so we will wait and let the HOF voters have their say. Look me up when Romo is voted on.

Look me up the next time you engage in a productive conversation, because this sure wasn’t it Boomer.

 

[timb2]

No , Romoa was a stat padder and not one Superbowl barely any playoff wins.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Love romo hes the best dallas qb I've seen play but he won't make the hof. His career was wasted by Jerry and jg.

Side note saw tons of panthers fans saying cam newton is a hofer already lmao no

 

[TwentyOne]

Jh talks a lot of rubbish. Likes the sound of his voice too much for my taste.

 

[TwentyOne]

Love romo hes the best dallas qb I've seen play but he won't make the hof. His career was wasted by Jerry and jg.

Side note saw tons of panthers fans saying cam newton is a hofer already lmao no

Not a Panthers fan but if romo is considered hof then cam should be already in.

 

[Teeroy]

Love Romo sad he had Garrett as a head coach

 

[G2]

Look me up the next time you engage in a productive conversation, because this sure wasn’t it Boomer.

You're so edgy.

 

[IceStar-D7]

I'm a Romo fan but I'd have to say NO!