How many consecutive years can you tag the same player?

TheMarathonContinues

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He actually would have made less money this year had he signed a long term contract last year. In terms of actual cash value. Also nfl contracts are not fully guaranteed so signing a big long term deal doesn't matter. It's the guaranteed money that matters. Dak is maximizing his $$'s. Everyone so quick to kick on these players for maximizing income but say nothing and support big corps that severely underpay and cut benefits to employees to maximize their profits.
This the issue people have. They don't know what the hell they talking about and they think France and Dak don't either lol. like they didn't weight these options. Cowboyzone accounts are the worse lol. Thanks for educating him.
 

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No, because he would've gotten that 50 million signing bonus right off the bat.
He would've made WAY more cash this year.
Now, maybe his cap hot would be less. But his cash in pocket would've been huge.
So wouldn't next season his singing bonus be even bigger? Its not lost money whenever he signs he's going to see that signing bonus unless I'm missing something?
 

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This the issue people have. They don't know what the hell they talking about and they think France and Dak don't either lol. like they didn't weight these options. Cowboyzone accounts are the worse lol. Thanks for educating him.
You know they still won't listen. I work in $$ and math. Numbers don't lie. If they don't think France and dak aren't working with accountants, attorneys, and money managers they are delusional.
 

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So wouldn't next season his singing bonus be even bigger? Its not lost money whenever he signs he's going to see that signing bonus unless I'm missing something?
In their minds they think taking the 50 million up front will net him more over 2 years than taking money down the road which is false just due to basic math and average annual investment returns.
 

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Now tell me the things you whiffed on lol. We've all had em. My best timing investment was bitcoin but I'm pissed I didn't invest more. made a ton of $$ tho.
biggest whiffs were holding on to certain municipal stocks too long. mostly electrical generating in large cities like detroit. didn't lose, but didn't make hardly what i hoped i would. but i learned from the experience and only invest in growing municipalities. and i'm far more prone to selling quicker.
 

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In their minds they think taking the 50 million up front will net him more over 2 years than taking money down the road which is false just due to basic math and average annual investment returns.
Yeah I'm not understanding the logic. They say he's missing out on his 50 million dollar signing bonus but that signing bonus isn't going anywhere. He will always get a signing bonus and if he gets it next year it may be even more than 50....I'm failing to see the money he's leaving out there...maybe short term I guess but it will still come.
 

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I'm so going to side with the message board posters claiming that Dak is costing himself money by not doing the long term deal instead of the professionals actually paid to maximize his earnings. Despite not sharing a single piece of actual data proving your point, you have convinced us all.
 

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biggest whiffs were holding on to certain municipal stocks too long. mostly electrical generating in large cities like detroit. didn't lose, but didn't make hardly what i hoped i would. but i learned from the experience and only invest in growing municipalities. and i'm far more prone to selling quicker.
Thats the hardest thing to learn is to just bail and take the hits. I play in some day trading on the side but the client assets i have in management is more long term risk adverse funds.
 

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In their minds they think taking the 50 million up front will net him more over 2 years than taking money down the road which is false just due to basic math and average annual investment returns.
"I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today"................wimpy from popeye. as for me, i'll always take the money today as opposed to tomorrow. the idea, imo, is to use money to make money. if i'm worried about taxes, just don't make as much. none of know what the future holds. if the nfl sold stock, i wouldn't be buying for a while.
 

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Yeah I'm not understanding the logic. They say he's missing out on his 50 million dollar signing bonus but that signing bonus isn't going anywhere. He will always get a signing bonus and if he gets it next year it may be even more than 50....I'm failing to see the money he's leaving out there...maybe short term I guess but it will still come.
They think he can make it up in investments over that short period of time. Which the #'s dont support.
 

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"I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today"................wimpy from popeye. as for me, i'll always take the money today as opposed to tomorrow. the idea, imo, is to use money to make money. if i'm worried about taxes, just don't make as much. none of know what the future holds. if the nfl sold stock, i wouldn't be buying for a while.
Yes us normal people would because we can't project our income growth 2 years down the road and most income doesn't grow exponentially over a 5 year period. Dak and his agents can, the market, and franchise tags lay it out for them.
 

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Yes us normal people would because we can't project our income growth 2 years down the road and most income doesn't grow exponentially over a 5 year period. Dak and his agents can, the market, and franchise tags lay it out for them.
none of the financial persons in knew in the 80's predicted the savings and loan crash in the mid 80's. many of my friends lost fortunes. many bought houses with variable interest rates on advice of experts and lost their butts when the houses became worth less than the purchase price a few years later and their incomes decreased. the lesson i learned was commodities rock. people need electricity, water, food, etc. there's no getting around it.
 

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So wouldn't next season his singing bonus be even bigger? Its not lost money whenever he signs he's going to see that signing bonus unless I'm missing something?

Was just answering the question on present year cash flow only.
His cash flow is great this year, but someone said it would've been worse if he signed long term and just added that, no, it wouldn't.
Nothing more than that though
 

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Was just answering the question on present year cash flow only.
His cash flow is great this year, but someone said it would've been worse if he signed long term and just added that, no, it wouldn't.
Nothing more than that though
an influx of cash flow is not always the best financial move. that's what I was saying. I talk as a whole you just want to be "right" in your little box of word games.
 

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an influx of cash flow is not always the best financial move. that's what I was saying. I talk as a whole you just want to be "right" in your little box of word games.
No words games
An apple is an apple
No agenda. Just pointing out that simple truth about this year--which is exactly what you were talking about in the post I answered.
Zero word games
 

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I'm starting to look at the negotiations a little differently..
Sure, there's an impasse, but assuming they play in 2020 and assuming (again) a long term deal isn't done, Dallas can tag Dak again in 2021, meaning around 68 mil in two years. Not necessarily a sign that the FO is willing to move on from Dak. And as for Dak, not a bad chunk of change for a couple of seasons for someone "without a contract".
"How many consecutive years can you tag the same player?"
Players can be tagged in consecutive years, but it's costly. For a player to be franchise tagged two straight years, the team must pay 120 percent of the player's previous salary.
 

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You and plenty of ppl trust me. I live 30 min outside nyc. When the market hit 18k the amount of clients calling me in a panic was crazy. I basically told them you aint a day trader relax, you're in it for the long haul. Now they are laughing at how crazy they sounded just a few months ago. But just a little piece of advice it's never a bad time to invest even in the market. I do recommend if you are looking to retire in the next 5-7 years try to start putting your investments in different areas that are more stable and are tax deferred. The strategy used to be accumulation now its trying to give your self tax deferred revenue streams that are conservative in growth but can last you longer through retirement with ppl now living longer. I usually charge for this.

All good advice.
 

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If there is no 2020 season it is likely it is likely the owners concede to letting it count as a year in exchange for other concessions so it would not be that good of a situation for the Cowboys. After all for the owners it is not money out of their pocket and they would be more focused on trying to reduce what they had to pay out in a no football season.

As for the total number of times you can franchise a player, the technical number is 3, but the problem is that while this years tag is 31m, next years tag will be 20% more than that (higher in the unlikely event the top 5 average salaries goes over that) or 37m. 37 milion is fine but year 3 it jumps by 40% to a little over 50m which is not really sustainable. It is not even really affordable to even try putting the tag on a QB for that 3rd season. So basically Dak is on a 2 year 68.5 million dollar deal at which point either the Cowboys will have resigned him or he will get some mega deal from one of the, up to a dozen, teams that will be bidding for his services.



No there isn't any max times a player can be tagged. It doesn't make financial sense to keep doing it but there is no limit on the number of years a player can be tagged. The percentage of increase in money keeps going up each year, but there is no limit on how many times a player can be tagged. No player has been tagged more than twice but it can be more without any limit.
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