BtB: Add this player to the defense, Everson Griffen

[glimmerman]

That's exactly why.

I'm not sure if it was just a bad decision by he and his agent, or seeing the writing on the wall as to why he opted out of a deal set to pay him over $13 million. My best guess would be it was the latter, because the Vikings were up against the cap and cutting and trading players at the start of free agency. Maybe Griffen and his agent wanted to hit the market as early as possible?

But the fact remains that they picked the worst time to do that and he's still on the market because no one will approach his current asking price. Like Clowney, his demands have to come way down or he won't have a seat when the season starts.

Most of these guys have enough money to sit. I think griffin has made 55 million so he has cleared at least 25. And clowney has made 50. They aren’t hurting.

 

[gjkoeppen]

This also gets back to the point (maybe) that some of these guys also ask for a lot knowing they don't really want to go through a full camp, preseason games, etc. Then when they get to the point where they are ready to come back, suddenly their demands drop.

But not sure how that works here - it seems he wants to sign somewhere and camps are less strenuous this year with no preseason games. So something is amiss here. Maybe it's as simple as the old Vikes coach on our staff had some bad things to say about him. It just chaps my butt that they've put together a really good roster with a couple of holes and there is a solution(s) sitting out there that could fix an ongoing issue - rushing the passer - and yet we are going to ride with our high effort guy in Crawford and a couple of cross your fingers and hope we get lucky types.

This seems to be the theme with this front office over the last 10 years or so. Always unwilling to take those last few steps.

Again nobody that wants Griffen has answered if he was so good why has no teams even sniffed at him. The Cowboys are not the only team that could use a GOOD DE, so why has he been sitting idly just waiting for some team, any team to show some interest?
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[gjkoeppen]

Most of these guys have enough money to sit. I think griffin has made 55 million so he has cleared at least 25. And clowney has made 50. They aren’t hurting.

Look at how many players who didn't save any money and just a couple few years after not playing they are broke and filing bankruptcy. Most of these players spend money like water and have very little stashed away. They think that next contract will clear up their debts but then they spend again.
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[Stash]

This also gets back to the point (maybe) that some of these guys also ask for a lot knowing they don't really want to go through a full camp, preseason games, etc. Then when they get to the point where they are ready to come back, suddenly their demands drop.

But not sure how that works here - it seems he wants to sign somewhere and camps are less strenuous this year with no preseason games. So something is amiss here. Maybe it's as simple as the old Vikes coach on our staff had some bad things to say about him.

I still have to think it's about the price tag, just like it is for Clowney and Logan Ryan.

They picked a bad year to make big demands.

It just chaps my butt that they've put together a really good roster with a couple of holes and there is a solution(s) sitting out there that could fix an ongoing issue - rushing the passer - and yet we are going to ride with our high effort guy in Crawford and a couple of cross your fingers and hope we get lucky types.

This seems to be the theme with this front office over the last 10 years or so. Always unwilling to take those last few steps.

This team hasn't been able to solve their RDE position since they released Demarcus Ware. Everything they do is wrong when it comes to that position.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

We heard several weeks back that there was something behind the scenes with Griffen that the team isn't interesting in signing him. Edwards who was his DC with the Vikings, is now on the Cowboy Staff. You would think he knows everything about the player on and off the field. It is really telling that they have shown zero interest, which suggests there is something that the public isn't aware of. Cross his name off the list.

+1 .......notice MM didn't hesitate to bring in Ha Ha, McCoy, or Poe. Hell, he's even taking flyers on Aldon Smith despite all his issues.

 

[Stash]

Most of these guys have enough money to sit. I think griffin has made 55 million so he has cleared at least 25. And clowney has made 50. They aren’t hurting.

But not so rich that they can afford to pass up another $8 - $10 million. Griffen is 32, a lot closer to the end of his career than the beginning. If he sits out, it's just one year closer to the end.

 

[Aven8]

Don't think this deal is happening or their waiting to see what's up with RG.

George Edwards has all the info DAL FO needs on Griffen and ain't nothing jumped off, so gotta be some inside info fans are not up on...or dude would be signed already.

Fact Alert.

 

[Crazed Liotta Eyes]

Yeah I still feel that way with Gregory. Again, we have ZERO idea how Gregory is going to come back from a long layoff. Same with Smith.

Let's put it this way............. if the Philadelphia Eagles rolled out Tyrone Crawford (a DT), Aldon Smith and Randy Gregory at RDE, you'd probably laugh at them. But here, people think it's pretty good.

My 6 DEs if I had my way?

SDE - Lawrence, Armstrong, Jackson/Jelks/Anae
RDE - Griffen/Clowney, Gregory, Smith

I am bullish on being to consistently terrorize a QB. It helps get off the field, it creates turnovers, it puts teams in bad positions. Without a Griffen type, I think there is a glaring hole at RDE, a prime pass rush position. Now could we get lucky with Smith and/or Gregory? Sure. That would be awesome, but that's really an unnecessary risk IMO when you have/had some options to bring in a proven player.

I would love to have egg on my face on this come mid-season as Smith/Gregory are killing people on one side. But I've seen enough of these risky plans the Cowboys take instead of proven solutions blow up in our faces to not assume this could be another big mistake.

Great post!

 

[Hawkeye0202]

That's exactly why.

I'm not sure if it was just a bad decision by he and his agent, or seeing the writing on the wall as to why he opted out of a deal set to pay him over $13 million. My best guess would be it was the latter, because the Vikings were up against the cap and cutting and trading players at the start of free agency. Maybe Griffen and his agent wanted to hit the market as early as possible?

But the fact remains that they picked the worst time to do that and he's still on the market because no one will approach his current asking price. Like Clowney, his demands have to come way down or he won't have a seat when the season starts.

Can't remember when but I read a tweet by a Vike beat writer that they were def going to ask him to take a pay-cut.

 

[Stash]

Can't remember when but I read a tweet by a Vike beat writer that they were def going to ask him to take a pay-cut.

I have no doubt whatsoever about that. One can easily see it was coming because of all of the other cuts, trades, and restructures they made. Griffen and his agent just wanted to get ahead of what they knew was eventually coming. Having said that, his contract demands are obviously out of whack with his actual market. That's why he's available, just like Clowney and just like Logan Ryan.

 

[glimmerman]

But not so rich that they can afford to pass up another $8 - $10 million. Griffen is 32, a lot closer to the end of his career than the beginning. If he sits out, it's just one year closer to the end.

I would play for 9 or 10. Especially if they can bypass the camps and just come in and rotate and play.

 

[Redline360]

All I know is I'm tired of hearing about how great the offense is going to be. Thats what everyone talks about on this website or news. No **** we will have a great offense and Dak will put up monstrous numbers again. The offense is loaded with talent.

However that is only one part of football. IDC if we have the best offense in football when the defense is a pile of poo. Statistically winning superbowl teams have had top defenses bar a couple of freak years over the past 20 years or so.

We need help on the defense to make this team a true contender. No more Swiss cheese defense.

 

[Stash]

I would play for 9 or 10. Especially if they can bypass the camps and just come in and rotate and play.

That's exactly how things are playing out this year. There will be minimal physical prep leading up to the season, so anyone who was looking to 'get out of it' has gotten their wish. These guys now need to be more focused on actually finding a team before the season begins, which will be quite soon.

 

[glimmerman]

Look at how many players who didn't save any money and just a couple few years after not playing they are broke and filing bankruptcy. Most of these players spend money like water and have very little stashed away. They think that next contract will clear up their debts but then they spend again.
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Crazy isn’t it. Guessing it’s there age. You make or clear 25-30 million and don’t put some away in a lower yield safe annuity for later. They give these kids education and I believe actually has accountants that will help them. If I got handed that kind of money at that age I would likely buy a sweet house and cars. Pay in cash and have no bills.

 

[Sydla]

Unless someone gets hurt in camp or covid, they are not going to acquire anyone else. The FO has spoken. Clowney is a joke and only interested in money.

LOL.

Clowney would be the best DE by far on our roster other than Lawrence.

I know the Cowboys are rolling with what they have. It's a mistake IMO.

 

[Sydla]

Again give me facts, direct quotes from Jones or Marinelli that he was who approved what players on the D-line the Cowboys got or drafted. I'm not talking about some speculation some sportswriter may have said. All to often people take those speculations as facts when they are not. It's just like when during the pregame for Super Bowl XLV in Dallas Johnson admitted in front of millions of people that he did not have all the power and authority that those outside of the team thought he had. Johnson said it really irked him that he had to go to Jones for things he thought he should be able to decide on. Prior to that pregame over the years there were articles where sportswriters said Johnson was actually the defacto GM.

What Frederick are you referring to?
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You are being naive. Of course Marinelli isn't going to come out and take responsibility.

 

[Sydla]

Again nobody that wants Griffen has answered if he was so good why has no teams even sniffed at him. The Cowboys are not the only team that could use a GOOD DE, so why has he been sitting idly just waiting for some team, any team to show some interest?
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He might be asking for too much? He might not want to go through early camp and will drop his price as we get closer to the season? Teams might be scared of cap implications next year?

There are a lot of possibilities.

 

[glimmerman]

LOL.

Clowney would be the best DE by far on our roster other than Lawrence.

I know the Cowboys are rolling with what they have. It's a mistake IMO.

If Aldon DONT pan out, which I think he will then they are screwed. Especially if they are counting on Gregory to be back. I know JJ or the FO keeps in contact with Gregory and I would bet he is in shape. But the league is in no hurry. This reminds me of the Elliot suspension. Didn’t look like there was anything really there to suspend him with other than the other off field things he did while being investigated but goodell did it anyways. He could easily say maybe next year for Gregory.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...rogress-on-jadeveon-clowney-talks-per-report/

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https://www.nfl.com/news/everson-griffen-packers-express-interest-in-signing-ex-viking

Monday, Jul 27, 2020 03:28 PM

Packers express interest in signing ex-Viking Everson Griffen

Kevin Patra
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[gimmesix]

I'd say it's more about asking price than anything George Edwards might say. He just returned here himself so I doubt that the team is making $10 million decisions based solely on his wants.

Probably, but if there's a free agent out there, it would seem prudent to ask a coach he played for for input. Most coaches go after players that they know about personally or have staff who know about them because it gives you a better understanding of their fit, work ethic, etc.

Having gone after Aldon Smith, though, there may have been absolutely no consideration by this front office about going after Griffen, especially if his asking price was high.