Twitter: Todd France and CAA part ways

[Diehardblues]

I know the details of this flawed idea, I simply don't agree w/ the premise. Kinda surprised that you believe it. When did this get started anyway?

Not saying I do. Im simply arguing on behalf of it.

It appears that if you can make a Stafford or Ryan the highest paid QB and if you believe Prescott is enough then you must step up. That’s what the market is dictating regardless if we agree with it or not.

It’s a different argument if you’re not All In on Dak which many of us need more validation. But that’s not the message we have been getting from our organization. They have been touting him as their guy of the future until it came time to pay the man.

And the top pay for a franchise QB1 this year was going to surpass last years for Wilson. If you don’t believe Dak is a Tier 1 qb then it’s obviously a different discussion but I haven’t heard our organization say as such.

 

[Diehardblues]

Can you guarantee that with Dak? If you can't, then what does it matter?

There are no guarantees. You have to make a leap of faith based on your evaluations the last 4 years.

 

[MarcusRock]

Then France should've sent a counteroffer w/ higher guarantees. That wasn't fair either. No sir.

You think he didn't? Lol. Of course he did. But we only hear rumors of what the team offered, mostly to get regular joe fans with no chance in Hades of ever earning that riled up about how it was a good deal the player should have taken and is being "greedy" for not taking. But from a guarantee perspective, those were lowball offers. But the "outraged" aren't going to look at that and it's why no one on here wants to have that discussion.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There are no guarantees. You have to make a leap of faith based on your evaluations the last 4 years.

No, I don't agree. You can go another way here. You can base decisions on variables or you can base decision on known data. You can choose to go another way here.

 

[kskboys]

Not saying I do. Im simply arguing on behalf of it.

It appears that if you can make a Stafford or Ryan the highest paid QB and if you believe Prescott is enough then you must step up. That’s what the market is dictating regardless if we agree with it or not.

It’s a different argument if you’re not All In on Dak which many of us need more validation. But that’s not the message we have been getting from our organization. They have been touting him as their guy of the future until it came time to pay the man.

And the top pay for a franchise QB1 this year was going to surpass last years for Wilson. If you don’t believe Dak is a Tier 1 qb then it’s obviously a different discussion but I haven’t heard our organization say as such.

I actually don't think they're touting him. I think it was simply the optimistic claptrap that this org is always giving out.

 

[kskboys]

You think he didn't? Lol. Of course he did. But we only hear rumors of what the team offered, mostly to get regular joe fans with no chance in Hades of ever earning that riled up about how it was a good deal the player should have taken and is being "greedy" for not taking. But from a guarantee perspective, those were lowball offers. But the "outraged" aren't going to look at that and it's why no one on here wants to have that discussion.

Disagree that it was a lowball offer. From what I know.

Did he? Not what I heard. How do you know the team didn't offer enough? Maybe they upped their guarantee to 125 mil?

 

[Diehardblues]

He doesn't have the first choice to look to FA, they still control that and there doesn't seem to be any hangover from not getting a deal done between either party.

If Prescott decides to go another route at agent, he might be extending a hand toward the Joneses because they've been open about agents they don't like dealing with, which would be my first choice as a player.

So he costs more money, so what? The advantage at the most critical position in the game is that the new HC gets to have a call in that. If he wants to go another direction, fine, they've already got a QB friendly HC and OC. If he says good to go with this guy, you make the best deal you can and move onto other things.

Too many act like it's the cap space that keeps these guys from attaining anything, it's not. It's player evaluations and poor play within FA and that's not about money. I would say they're in the top 10 in drafting but the bottom 10 in FA and it is the balance that achieves success. They're actually better at trading than FA.

If he cost more money then it defeats the purpose of drawing a line in the sand this year to save money.

It then becomes more of a ploy to seek more public approval with validation from team success.

if he plays in the tag next year it’s almost a certainty he’s gone in 2022 to FA. And that might be fine with many fans. But my argument isn’t centered around what we want or think.

 

[Diehardblues]

I actually don't think they're touting him. I think it was simply the optimistic claptrap that this org is always giving out.

I agree but that’s the public perception we have from our organization and all we have to place our basis on.

Until now with not signing a deal which actions would support they aren’t as All In their Claptrap has been giving out.

I’d feel much better if they’d admit as much. But that’s part of the problem with their mouthing off. It often can send out the wrong message. Can’t have it both ways. They must be held accountable .

It’s possible what could have given Dak the wrong message as well.

 

[CouchCoach]

Then France should've sent a counteroffer w/ higher guarantees. That wasn't fair either. No sir.

ksk, do you know what was done and wasn't done by either side? You seem to be laying all of this on the agent without any real knowledge of everything that went on and what was keeping them apart at the end.

I don't know how much contact there even was because at one point it was mentioned that months had passed without contact toward either side.

How do we know that Prescott didn't tell France from the get go that his deal had to surpass the two QB's taken at the top of the draft when he was selected 7th? If that kind of thing isn't prevalent within the ego position of an ego sport, then the clause that no player at this player's position can be paid more would have showed up a long time ago.

If France and Prescott breakup, I am sure many here will read something into that but it could be simple. That combo played out and went as far as it could and neither can help the other as well as another.

I find it amusing that the agent catches the heat and not the idiot son trying to show how smart he isn't. He could very well be the one that gave the monkey the football in the first place.

 

[kskboys]

ksk, do you know what was done and wasn't done by either side? You seem to be laying all of this on the agent without any real knowledge of everything that went on and what was keeping them apart at the end.

I don't know how much contact there even was because at one point it was mentioned that months had passed without contact toward either side.

How do we know that Prescott didn't tell France from the get go that his deal had to surpass the two QB's taken at the top of the draft when he was selected 7th? If that kind of thing isn't prevalent within the ego position of an ego sport, then the clause that no player at this player's position can be paid more would have showed up a long time ago.

If France and Prescott breakup, I am sure many here will read something into that but it could be simple. That combo played out and went as far as it could and neither can help the other as well as another.

I find it amusing that the agent catches the heat and not the idiot son trying to show how smart he isn't. He could very well be the one that gave the monkey the football in the first place.

I do not. I'm actually just throwing back the spew of the ones who have taken sides. IMHO, this was a clusterfudge from the start due to a terrible agent and a guy in charge who shouldn't be due to not having a clue about the NFL. I actually don't buy into either side's ideas, and no one really knows. So, I end up being the devil's advocate and throwing some crapp against the wall. Why? Not to see what sticks, more to enjoy watching it splatter.

 

[CouchCoach]

If he cost more money then it defeats the purpose of drawing a line in the sand this year to save money.

It then becomes more of a ploy to seek more public approval with validation from team success.

if he plays in the tag next year it’s almost a certainty he’s gone in 2022 to FA. And that might be fine with many fans. But my argument isn’t centered around what we want or think.

Greg, was that line in the sand for the player or the agent? They'd already failed to get a deal done the previous off season.

If you polled all the fans in the NFL that follow it closely and asked them which team overpays their players the most, what team do you think would snuff the competition? The Joneses have the rep for being the most round heled negotiators in the game. Hell, they even cratered to RB with two years left after a war of words from management's side.

Image is everything to Booger and this was all about that to him. No way he wants to be coming off as a schmuck again. The ones that are mad at him for not getting the deal done are missing the point that he's trying to make. If he doesn't stop rolling over now, then when?

 

[CouchCoach]

I actually don't think they're touting him. I think it was simply the optimistic claptrap that this org is always giving out.

That was nothing more than "look at us, ain't we smart? He's a 4th rounder". Everything with these tools is self serving.

 

[Diehardblues]

No, I don't agree. You can go another way here. You can base decisions on variables or you can base decision on known data. You can choose to go another way here.

Yes you can. But you must be prepared for the effects and impacts taking responsibility if it doesn’t work. All the risk involved.

And if we do choose another way then we can critique or applaud pending those results.

 

[Diehardblues]

That was nothing more than "look at us, ain't we smart? He's a 4th rounder". Everything with these tools is self serving.

Yes but a price must be paid for these eternal optimistic outburst.

All we hear is how sold or all in they are on Dak. Until it’s time to pay him. Then we put on the brakes or draw the line in the sand.

And why they are being bashed by the media and rightfully so.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes you can. But you must be prepared for the effects and impacts taking responsibility if it doesn’t work. All the risk involved.

And if we do choose another way then we can critique or applaud pending those results.

Sure, but who's to say that this isn't what the team is doing right now with Dak. I mean, if you believe in the position you state above, then it would seem that the better choice or more appealing choice for you might be to play Dak on the tag for another year and allow our new Coaching Staff to evaluate him further. That provides more info and should translate into a better decision.

Jerry and the team are always critiqued and rarely are the results not mixed. I can't remember the last time the team did something and everybody applauded. That's just how it is today.

 

[CouchCoach]

I do not. I'm actually just throwing back the spew of the ones who have taken sides. IMHO, this was a clusterfudge from the start due to a terrible agent and a guy in charge who shouldn't be due to not having a clue about the NFL. I actually don't buy into either side's ideas, and no one really knows. So, I end up being the devil's advocate and throwing some crapp against the wall. Why? Not to see what sticks, more to enjoy watching it splatter.

Yep but I am in that happy bunch that a deal didn't get made and I ain't pissed at anybody over this. It worked out exactly as I wanted. Although, I would have liked the non-exclusive tag for more fireworks and to see what his value might be to another team. But then, I am more one to try and get there early and tailgate for a train wreck.

The fact is Booger got exactly what he wanted out of this, domination of the sports media in the off season. Hell, I heard that the Hallmark Channel switched from arguments over intimacy and money to how much Prescott was worth.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes but a price must be paid for these eternal optimistic outburst.

All we hear is how sold or all in they are on Dak. Until it’s time to pay him. Then we put on the brakes or draw the line in the sand.

And why they are being bashed by the media and rightfully so.

No. The Cowboys tried to pay him. He didn't want to play for what they offered, which BTW, was among the best offers, if not the best offer in the NFL, at the time. I don't really agree with this idea of the team drawing a line or whatever. It was a fair offer. What more is the team supposed to do? I don't understand.

 

[Diehardblues]

Greg, was that line in the sand for the player or the agent? They'd already failed to get a deal done the previous off season.

If you polled all the fans in the NFL that follow it closely and asked them which team overpays their players the most, what team do you think would snuff the competition? The Joneses have the rep for being the most round heled negotiators in the game. Hell, they even cratered to RB with two years left after a war of words form management's side.

Image is everything to Booger and this was all about that to him. No way he wants to be coming off as a schmuck again. The ones that are mad at him for not getting the deal done are missing the point that he's trying to make. If he doesn't stop rolling over now, then when?

Yep. Then it becomes all about public perception which I have been arguing.

He’s only willing to over pay Dak if the team validates his value. It’s not an evaluation or decision he’s willing to make without it. Just another example of how horrid a GM we have.

IMO our franchise QB is arguably not the place to start drawing your line in the sand. And pretty much what the media has been bashing him for.

 

[Vtwin]

Yep but I am in that happy bunch that a deal didn't get made and I ain't pissed at anybody over this. It worked out exactly as I wanted. Although, I would have liked the non-exclusive tag for more fireworks and to see what his value might be to another team. But then, I am more one to try and get there early and tailgate for a train wreck.

The fact is Booger got exactly what he wanted out of this, domination of the sports media in the off season. Hell, I heard that the Hallmark Channel switched from arguments over intimacy and money to how much Prescott was worth.

You "heard"? Sure you "heard".

 

[Diehardblues]

No. The Cowboys tried to pay him. He didn't want to play for what they offered, which BTW, was among the best offers, if not the best offer in the NFL, at the time. I don't really agree with this idea of the team drawing a line or whatever. It was a fair offer. What more is the team supposed to do? I don't understand.

They are to make him an offer he can’t refuse. That is of course if you intend on retaining him. If not then you make the best offer and be prepared to move on.