Twitter: Chido: "Last year, everyone knew what we were running."

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I actually agree with the premise of what you're saying. However, based upon the comments ( mostly implicit) you can tell that change was absolutely needed this off-season, if just for the sake of change.

Garrett seems to be a good leader overall, however he seemed to truly lack the knowledge and abilities to coach the details of football. It wore thin on the players and thus 2019 happened and here we are.

Yes I agree with that and I think a big part of that was poor assistants last year. Garrett was the guy in charge setting the direction and giving the speeches, something he is very good at. The assistants were running the game plans, the scheme and calling the plays on gameday.

I just think at some point when you lose a number of long time proven assistants it will catch up to you and it did last year. I thought last year was the perfect time for change honestly but they gave it a shot anyway.

This should be an entirely different type of season because the organization once again has proven long time nfl assistants in place. Even saying that there are some odd ball coaches on this staff IMO...Kellen Moore and Rob Davis.
 

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So glad the new coaching staff is here.

For years players and ex coaches have joked about knowing exactly what the offense and defense was doing
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I've made two predictions for this season:

1. Byron Jones will have more picks this year than any year with the Cowboys.
2. Our defensive unit will have more picks than it did last year and/or any previous year under Jason Garrett.

I am fully convinced that the lack of interceptions has to do with scheme NOT player.

We will see this season.
 

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Yes I agree with that and I think a big part of that was poor assistants last year. Garrett was the guy in charge setting the direction and giving the speeches, something he is very good at. The assistants were running the game plans, the scheme and calling the plays on gameday.

I just think at some point when you lose a number of long time proven assistants it will catch up to you and it did last year. I thought last year was the perfect time for change honestly but they gave it a shot anyway.

This should be an entirely different type of season because the organization once again has proven long time nfl assistants in place. Even saying that there are some odd ball coaches on this staff IMO...Kellen Moore and Rob Davis.

I don't truly understand Davis' role either. 2019 would have been a perfect time to make a change. Kellen Moore I think will end up being a very successful Coach. So the silver lining of waiting until 2020 is that Moore is kept on staff.
 

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I've made two predictions for this season:

1. Byron Jones will have more picks this year than any year with the Cowboys.
2. Our defensive unit will have more picks than it did last year and/or any previous year under Jason Garrett.

I am fully convinced that the lack of interceptions has to do with scheme NOT player.

We will see this season.

18 interceptions in 2014.
15 interceptions in 2013.
15 interceptions in 2011.

So you are going on record they will have 19 interceptions or more?
 

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Forget about vanilla, I would settle for a light mocha type of offense under MM.

That's as good a description as any. The powers that be wouldn't have it any other way. Too radical of a change would be risky.
 

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I ask this as unlike ALL you guys here...I've never played NFL football so I unlike ALL of you don't know how it works.

But why can;t a player come out of his stupidly called coverage and play like how he knows it should be? Gonna get benched? Well okay bench me then. Put it an even worse player to not be able to play your calls.

These guys have been doing it all their lives...but the play call is what holds them back and set them into complete ruin? I don;t buy it. I think it's PART of the problem but not totally.
 

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Lousy coordinators and asst coaches are a product of a lousy hc. Things can only improve with the lousy garrett gone.
 

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Look, I'm excited about a change...any change.
Was ready for Garrett and crew to move on.

But this forum always cracks me up about how everyone is better GMs, owners, head coaches, defensive coordinators...etc, etc....than those that have been doing it or have been around it at the highest level for decades.

Again, I won't defend Garrett or Marinelli, and I even get many of the complaints.
Just saying this in general.

I get it, that's partially what forums are for.....basement wannabees becoming best in world experts.

I guess we'll see if Oakland's defense improves and if the Giants' offense improves.
And although they did underperform last year, our personal is better this year. Before even improving they have averaged 10 wins over the last 4 years *through 2016 was a bit of a mirage "gotcha thing".
How much will they improve on that? Guess we'll see!
 
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I ask this as unlike ALL you guys here...I've never played NFL football so I unlike ALL of you don't know how it works.

But why can;t a player come out of his stupidly called coverage and play like how he knows it should be? Gonna get benched? Well okay bench me then. Put it an even worse player to not be able to play your calls.

These guys have been doing it all their lives...but the play call is what holds them back and set them into complete ruin? I don;t buy it. I think it's PART of the problem but not totally.

each player is 1 of 11. If players start free lancing your defense will be horrendous.

they all have a role within each play within the scheme of how they play each situation.
 

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Lousy coordinators and asst coaches are a product of a lousy hc. Things can only improve with the lousy garrett gone.

But we had some excellent assistant coaches in Garrett's time here. Last year was an isolated year because he was a lame duck.
 

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I actually agree with the premise of what you're saying. However, based upon the comments ( mostly implicit) you can tell that change was absolutely needed this off-season, if just for the sake of change.

Garrett seems to be a good leader overall, however he seemed to truly lack the knowledge and abilities to coach the details of football. It wore thin on the players and thus 2019 happened and here we are.


Typically...I NEVER make a change for the sake of change. But this was LONG past due...

You make the change to solve the problems while not creating any new ones...even unintended ones. But fk it MAKE THE CHANGE NOW FINALLY! :omg:
 

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each player is 1 of 11. If players start free lancing your defense will be horrendous.

they all have a role within each play within the scheme of how they play each situation.

I get it....it has to work as a machine. If a cog fails...the whole machine does.

But humans are not machines. It's why we still need pilots, for now. At some point it's okay to go make the play you know needs made. Right? Come on...right?
 

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Kris Richard landing another DC job ever in life?????
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I get it, that's partially what forums are for.....basement wannabees becoming best in world experts.
No one that's posted on this thread said they can do a better job then the previous staff. Most think our current staff will do a better job than the previous staff. So how does that make them basement wannabees becoming best in world experts?
 

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Will definitely get more turnovers this year.

Will also make more mistakes and give up big home run plays this year.

Hopefully the first is enough to overcome the latter.
 

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No one that's posted on this thread said they can do a better job then the previous staff. Most think our current staff will do a better job than the previous staff. So how does that make them basement wannabees becoming best in world experts?
Talking about threads in general.
You know very well people have been non stop critical. They are allowed to do that. But if you are critical, by default, you are saying you have a better idea....especially if that critique is specific.
It's fine....it's a sports forum. Coach coaching experts are the norm
 

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Everyone does all the damn time. Rams offense said the same thing in the playoff game!!! Been called out on this for years and years on both sides of the ball. Even Sam Darnold a second year QB. Just a complete joke!!! Garrett and Marinelli were clowns!!
 
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