More proof why Dak is garbage

khiladi

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That's fine -- that would place him about 15th overall, which is in the middle of the pack -- thus Dak would still be considered "average" among today's quarterbacks.

Both of them have played less than Dak and Burrow is in year 1. Him being average in this league, where a bunch of mediocrity is starting with much less talented rosters is nothing to cry home about.
 

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If you follow any of my posts, I've been talking about Elliott's fumbles a lot. This particular thread is about Dak and the notion that he is garbage, which I disagree with. Why you brought Elliott into a Dak discussion is beyond me. I was providing a reasonable objective disagreement to the idea that Dak is garbage. I don't understand why you are defending Dak against me, when I am defending the overall topic of this thread that he's garbage. That doesn't make sense but if it makes you happy then knock yourself out. But to answer your post, with Elliott fumbling I still believe that Dak is not garbage. Take that however you want to take it.





First I was agreeing with you and brought up Elliott for those that want to put so much blame for turnovers on Prescott. Second it's funny, not ha ha funny, that so many threads start out about things other than Prescott yet so often they become Prescott bashing so do you make a big deal out of all those too that switch to Prescott bashing? Threads start off say this or that and pretty soon some will say but what about this and that this is usually Prescott.
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Then create love threads for DLaw and his awesome streak of no sacks in consecutive games. If the rest of the defense follows his lead of not showing up we will be 1-15 and only QB's are judged by wins and loses in contract talks.
no, its all Dak's fault for fumbling...the defense gave up 300 yards rushing because of that
 
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Neither side of the argument have a solid solution.

Personally, if Dak doesnt accept a contract (of 4+ years) then we tag and trade. I'm not saying draft straight away, unless the right QB is there, id actual start with improving O-Line depth (better protect any QB and improve our running game) and Defensive lines that puts pressure on QB, I personally think we give QB's too much time.

We pick up a QB in FA, or trade.....as I say he could well be a bus driver, but with improved O-Line depth, running game and the WR corp.

We may well struggle, but we're doing a good job of doing that this season.
so you don't have a plan. you just want to change the QB...why?
 

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No, he doesn’t. Mahomes did in college like I’ve already mentioned in this topic, just like Dak. Dak has been bottom of the barrel in traditional drop steps. This is what Dak-stans like to harp on, that the the league had moved the trend of college (more because the rules have been set up for more offense to attract more viewership), that somehow implies complete disappearance of traditional football skills.

Goff is as much a one-read QB as Dak, both of them on first read to second read had the highest drop offs among any QB in 2018, Goff in 2019 ran the seven step drop 56 TIMES, to lead the league. Dak runs it on average two times a game now, despite how much we pass.

and like I said, the very first game of KCs RB rookie year, he ran for 97 yards on 8 carries against SIX OR LESS MEN in the BOX, meaning teams don’t dare Mahomes to beat them with his arm, unlike the scrub that is Dak, who has been running a top ranked play action offense the majority of his career here, even now with how much we throw. Dak led the league in play action passing yardage last year, and completely sucked in the red zone, meaning all he does is pad his stats against teams playing the run.

And we RUN a CORYELL.

You are the typical Dak-Stan that will yap about Aikman’s completion percentage in the 90s as a measuring bar of this bum that is Dak, and tell us how great Dak is, despite Aikman playing in the 90s with his career statistician completion percentage being higher than both Marino and Elway. By your logic, Dak is better than these three all-time greats. GTFOh with your garbage take nonsense that has zero basis in reality.

Are you telling me that a team that put all of it's resources into the offensive line and rb position, with our speedy wrs should not utilizing the run game and playaction?
Are tell me that a team facing us will not respect the run making the use of playaction more effective?
Are you telling me it's Daks fault that our administration ignores all of this and runs " a CORYELL"?.
 

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no, its all Dak's fault for fumbling...the defense gave up 300 yards rushing because of that





What a crock!!!!!!!!!!! You forget Elliott's fumble and as far as the reason that the browns got 300 rushing yards because of the 2 Prescott turnovers, well the Browns already had 56 yards rushing before Prescott's fumble and then had 297 yards before his pick. So the DEFENSE gave up 241 yards all by themselves because they couldn't stop the run or the pass.
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That's a well said insightful rebuttal.

Fun fact: It took Dak 48 games before he threw a TD in the last two minutes of any game. Hitting the Bease with a sweet catch in the back of the endzone in the final regular season game against the Giants in 2018. Three full seasons.
Clearly was a crap throw. :facepalm:

Yeah, final two minutes to throw a TD. Again...very specific and narrow scope. I guess this TD didn't count in OT because it wasn't in the final 2 minutes. :facepalm:

 

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Clearly was a crap throw. :facepalm:

Yeah, final two minutes to throw a TD. Again...very specific and narrow scope. I guess this TD didn't count in OT because it wasn't in the final 2 minutes. :facepalm:



Did I say something that wasn't true? Just a fun fact. I think Dak is having the best year of his career right now. Simmer down.
 

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I don't hate dak. I think he's a good quarterback. I wouldn't be opposed to having him on the team long term. However This is a guy we offered alot of money to and he wants to be paid like a top 5 quarterback. Forget stats! Does the eye test tell you he's in the top 5 in football? Stats will tell you he's having a great year. So far this year....

Week 1 - His offense scored 3 pts second half.
Week 2 - He is part of the reason were even down 20-0
Week 3 - Critical turnovers at the end of both halves. Taking a sack late in the game as well
Week 4 - Has us up 14-7. Doesn't do anything while the Browns are putting up 31 points in a row. (0 points for us in 2nd and 3rd quarters).

Also what has he won? He gets compared to Goff, Wentz, Jimmy G alot. Goff went to a SB, Jimmy G did as well. Wentz was going to be MVP till he got hurt. Tannehill went to an AFC title game. Dak prescott has won two playoff games. In the nfl qb's get judged by wins and losses. Yet we make every excuse in the world for dak. This year its the defense? Last year he had a good defense and couldn't win in a bad division.

Nobody is saying dak is terrible. I'm certainly not. But its a legitimate to question whether he's the future of this franchise. Whether he can lead us to the SB, especially if he's taking up a huge part of our cap.
 

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Clearly was a crap throw. :facepalm:

Yeah, final two minutes to throw a TD. Again...very specific and narrow scope. I guess this TD didn't count in OT because it wasn't in the final 2 minutes. :facepalm:


I can think of another unnamed QB who threw a bunch of TD's with under 2 minutes left in the game. But we won't go there.
 

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I don't hate dak. I think he's a good quarterback. I wouldn't be opposed to having him on the team long term. However This is a guy we offered alot of money to and he wants to be paid like a top 5 quarterback. Forget stats! Does the eye test tell you he's in the top 5 in football? Stats will tell you he's having a great year. So far this year....

Week 1 - His offense scored 3 pts second half.
Week 2 - He is part of the reason were even down 20-0
Week 3 - Critical turnovers at the end of both halves. Taking a sack late in the game as well
Week 4 - Has us up 14-7. Doesn't do anything while the Browns are putting up 31 points in a row. (0 points for us in 2nd and 3rd quarters).

Also what has he won? He gets compared to Goff, Wentz, Jimmy G alot. Goff went to a SB, Jimmy G did as well. Wentz was going to be MVP till he got hurt. Tannehill went to an AFC title game. Dak prescott has won two playoff games. In the nfl qb's get judged by wins and losses. Yet we make every excuse in the world for dak. This year its the defense? Last year he had a good defense and couldn't win in a bad division.

Nobody is saying dak is terrible. I'm certainly not. But its a legitimate to question whether he's the future of this franchise. Whether he can lead us to the SB, especially if he's taking up a huge part of our cap.
His talent level is a bench player at best.
No, he cannot lead us to a Superbowl heck he can't beat a team with a winning record!
Both of these points will be confirmed come the off-season when Dak hits the road for a rough FA experience!
 

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I'm not saying dak is garbage. Butttt its hard to argue. He had a top 10 defense last year and couldn't win a bad division.

Last week he was up 14-7. Then the browns score 31 straight points. Daks offense in quarters 2 and 3 put up 0's while being blown out. That is on the qb. Every dak thread people defend him and blame every other aspect of the team but his play.

He is a huge reason we get down early in games. Week 2 his turnovers helped lead to 21 points for the falcons. Week 3 he made bad plays to end both halves. Week 1 his offense scored 3 pts second half.

lol. Jesus Christ the logic here. I am actually starting to hope he leaves, because this fan base doesn’t deserve him.
 

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When down by 4-8 points in the final four minutes if a game, meaning a TD to come out on top, in respect to the league average since 2016:

Passer Rating of Dak is 70.6, the league average is 76.5

YPA for Dak is 5.8, the league average is 6.6

The TD rate is 2.8% while the league average is 4.6%

Int rate is 2.7% while the league average is 3.7%.

Sack % is 7.7% versus 5.5% for the lasher average.

To summarize, Checkdown Charlie isn’t even average, per Action Network. I can give a summary of why he’s a joke in this aspect, including he really is risk averse and only throws the ball on desperation, down by three scores.

Here is the kicker, as I’ve been repeating ad nauseum. Notice the point of emphasis on Prescott and the infamous DROP-BACK. He can’t do it worth a dime, which clearly illustrates his incompetent and one-trick pony routine. And he’s not even close to Romo, let alone Mahomes, so cut the BS comparisons with this mediocre joke, while both Linehan and Moore had to basically completely eliminate the traditional drop-back for this bum.
I have to say this, Dak isn't garbage he's just your average NFL QB who's trying to make a living at something he loves. Dak is a 4th rd pick who struggled to beat top 10 teams in college and he's struggled big time trying to beat above average teams in the NFL. Is Dak going to take this team to the super Bowl, I don't think he has that in him...sorry! Is Dak a $40 million dollar a year QB....NO! He's probably in the $30-$33 million dollar a year range. If JJ insist on keeping him then it has to be on JJ's terms, not Dak's.
 

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so you don't have a plan. you just want to change the QB...why?

I dont want to change the QB. However, if he wants a 3 year deal (at market rate) we just wont be able to afford it and have resources spare to improve the team.

If that's the case we may as well move on now...tag and trade will at least get something for him.

I'm not saying we'll be any good, but at least we can rest and allow those bad contract to expire.
 

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Dak is not garbage. He just isn't as good as other QBs in this league, IMO. The simple fact that Dak has accomplished what he has in this league, at this stage, is proof that he is not garbage and I don't really believe that's a difficult conclusion to support. He's just not worth what many believe he is IMO.
 

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When down by 4-8 points in the final four minutes if a game, meaning a TD to come out on top, in respect to the league average since 2016:

Passer Rating of Dak is 70.6, the league average is 76.5

YPA for Dak is 5.8, the league average is 6.6

The TD rate is 2.8% while the league average is 4.6%

Int rate is 2.7% while the league average is 3.7%.

Sack % is 7.7% versus 5.5% for the lasher average.

To summarize, Checkdown Charlie isn’t even average, per Action Network. I can give a summary of why he’s a joke in this aspect, including he really is risk averse and only throws the ball on desperation, down by three scores.

Here is the kicker, as I’ve been repeating ad nauseum. Notice the point of emphasis on Prescott and the infamous DROP-BACK. He can’t do it worth a dime, which clearly illustrates his incompetent and one-trick pony routine. And he’s not even close to Romo, let alone Mahomes, so cut the BS comparisons with this mediocre joke, while both Linehan and Moore had to basically completely eliminate the traditional drop-back for this bum.

If we had even an average defense we are 4-0 right now.

Our offense is All World right now with Dak leading it.

But yeah..Dak is garbage. :rolleyes:
 

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Clearly was a crap throw. :facepalm:

Yeah, final two minutes to throw a TD. Again...very specific and narrow scope. I guess this TD didn't count in OT because it wasn't in the final 2 minutes. :facepalm:



What was the date? :lmao:
 

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:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:Oh the ignorance here never fails to give me enjoyment. Or maybe you're just a troll. It's one or the another and nothing else.
You didn't hear me out. I get it....you're gonna leap to a conclusion...one I never said....in order to mock and ridicule someone you think you disagree with. And you call ME the troll?

I never once said...EVER... to "get rid of Dak". I am not even sure I ever said "he ain;t worth _____". But there you go....probably hurt yourself with the leaping assumption.

There's more than one way to skin a cat...and I was replying to SPECIFICALLY to the comment about "ignoring Dak until we fix the defense".

That's a lot of egg on your face.
 
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