Charles Haley 'Cowboys DEF Players are a bunch of garbage'

[kevinhickey]

Interesting interview with Charles Haley on the Michael Irvin Podcast today. As you would expect with Mike quite a bit of nonsense but when they talked about the Cowboys in depth, Haley had some very strong views including:

1) It's not the coaches, it's the players they are gutless.
2) D Law is no leader
3) Jaylon has not recovered from his foot injury
4) Dalton was a poor signing and has never shown he can handle the spotlight.
5) Recounted a bizarre story from last season when a Cowboys coach on DEF tried to explain to a player (who I think is still on the team) what he needed to improve and the player just walked out of the room.
6) Thinks nothing can be done for this season, need a complete overhaul of personnel

He then had some critical comments to say about Tom Brady and when he was with the Patriots organisation.

Well worth a listen

This is a guy that has been around the team and has the experience to back up what he has seen and heard.

 

[jrumann59]

The Nolan hire is reminding me of the o-line coach Garrett hired from Cincinnati that they had to dump mid-year. I forget his name. Maybe the bye is a good time for a change. Unlikely to happen however.

That does not absolve the players. I think Haley is exactly right on all points with the exception of Dalton.

Paul Alexander. I agree the problems on defense are not isolated to one group, its the DBs, LB and DL. Wear and tear and age catching up to some I can see but literally these guys are so far ou of position or being blocked so far down field there are other factors at play. I have not seen a group of 11 get beat in every facet so soundly. Scheme beating scheme does not look this bad. The players look lost out on the field, that is what is baffling. Even on bad defenses usually something or someone stands out, here nothing. The issue is top down, DC, DL, LB, DB, and all the other defensive coaches..

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

What folks don’t realize is it was former receivers coach Todd Haley that made these comments.

 

[Colombiacowboy]

Haley, Aikman...I respect any ex-Cowboy who speaks out against this garbage. I wish Roger would say something. He has been too quiet throughout the years. His words might actually change Jerry.

No, they wouldn't

 

[Maverick84]

What folks don’t realize is it was former receivers coach Todd Haley that made these comments.

and to think this entire time I thought it was Haley Joel Osment

 

[Colombiacowboy]

Haley was one bad boy DE, but he never came off as one of the sharpest tools in the shed.

He had some serious anger issues and mental illness when he was playing. That is probably why. He has talked about that extensively in retirement and is fortunately doing well.

 

[jazzcat22]

Quit reading right there...
Dalton was brought in to backup Dak, that is one of the most durable QBs in this league,, Dalton wasnt brought in here to ever replace Dak.
Dalton will still prove to be one of the best BU QBs in this league when its all said and done.

I pretty much am disregarding it all. There is some truth to it, but not as he puts it.

 

[Sydla]

What folks don’t realize is it was former receivers coach Todd Haley that made these comments.

LOL. At this point, the only thing this current Cowboys staff is missing is Todd Haley.

 

[Sydla]

Nobody is thinking that

Then why the push back when the topic of just crap canning him now (or soon) comes up?

This defense has a bunch of issues........... scouting, coaching, personnel. Nolan is the easiest fix at this time considering it will likely take an offseason or two to overhaul the personnel.

And yet some here bristle when it's mentioned we are wasting our time with Nolan as DC. In fact, I believe you yourself have even argued that Nolan should be given more time to fix/overhaul the D. In fairness, I may be confusing you with Hennessey or someone else.

 

[shabazz]

Agree with some of his points but saying that he lost respect for Tom Brady is disingenuous.

Haley never liked Brady ; right from the first time he saw him.

And sometimes he does keep it “real”......and sometimes he just keeps it “real stupid”

 

[RS12]

He's in the Hall of Fame, a place where none of the present Cowboys will ever be

Tyron Smith and Zack Martin likely will.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Then why the push back when the topic of just crap canning him now (or soon) comes up?

This defense has a bunch of issues........... scouting, coaching, personnel. Nolan is the easiest fix at this time considering it will likely take an offseason or two to overhaul the personnel.

And yet some here bristle when it's mentioned we are wasting our time with Nolan as DC. In fact, I believe you yourself have even argued that Nolan should be given more time to fix/overhaul the D. In fairness, I may be confusing you with Hennessey or someone else.

Because you and others are literally going by what he did at his last stop

Im not saying Nolan was a great hire. I will admit that Marinelli’s basic scheme for all these years made win to go in the opposite direction which is what Nolan’s scheme entails.

We need a more complex defense. Im tired of bum QBs like Mitch Trubisky picking us apart because he knows what we are doing defensively.

All im saying is, when I look at clips after the game week in/week out, I see way more signs of bad players than bad coaching.

If hes fired and its McCarthy’s decision and his decision only, I couldnt care less as long as he gets someone in here that can do the job. On the same token, I dont think any current DC can make this defense a top-15 D

 

[Manster_Mash]

That's an insult to garbage everywhere.

 

[jrumann59]

Because you and others are literally going by what he did at his last stop

Im not saying Nolan was a great hire. I will admit that Marinelli’s basic scheme for all these years made win to go in the opposite direction which is what Nolan’s scheme entails.

We need a more complex defense. Im tired of bum QBs like Mitch Trubisky picking us apart because he knows what we are doing defensively.

All im saying is, when I look at clips after the game week in/week out, I see way more signs of bad players than bad coaching.

If hes fired and its McCarthy’s decision and his decision only, I couldnt care less as long as he gets someone in here that can do the job. On the same token, I dont think any current DC can make this defense a top-15 D

No one right now is asking for the defense to be turned top 15, they are asking them to slow the bleeding, and see what you have, don't have and what needs absolutely replacing. Nolan has been trading on what he did with Baltimore that had 3 generational talents and numerous other guys a step or two below that. After that he has been middle of the road at best. There was all this talk that when MM came he would fit the scheme to the players but yet the defense keeps looking like a large square peg into small round hole. I expect growing pains with Diggs, but Lewis has regressed, Tank has regressed, Jaylon and LVE has regressed, the DE they brought in looks worst than George Friggin Slevie, DT pick a name all look bad. Something is wrong somewhere, or a bunch of things are wrong everywhere but the bleeding needs to be stopped.

 

[Sheepherder]

He's in the Hall of Fame, a place where none of the present Cowboys will ever be

Where you been.I was responding to zman.

 

[Rockport]

Sure I did, whats your point Rock?

He was awful especially in the 2nd half.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Tyron Smith and Zack Martin likely will.

Likely? No.

Sure fire...

 

[RS12]

No one right now is asking for the defense to be turned top 15, they are asking them to slow the bleeding, and see what you have, don't have and what needs absolutely replacing. Nolan has been trading on what he did with Baltimore that had 3 generational talents and numerous other guys a step or two below that. After that he has been middle of the road at best. There was all this talk that when MM came he would fit the scheme to the players but yet the defense keeps looking like a large square peg into small round hole. I expect growing pains with Diggs, but Lewis has regressed, Tank has regressed, Jaylon and LVE has regressed, the DE they brought in looks worst than George Friggin Slevie, DT pick a name all look bad. Something is wrong somewhere, or a bunch of things are wrong everywhere but the bleeding needs to be stopped.

Kiffin had generational talents in Tampa. Sapp, Brooks, Lynch and Barber. Didn't work nearly as well when he got here.

 

[Sydla]

Because you and others are literally going by what he did at his last stop

Im not saying Nolan was a great hire. I will admit that Marinelli’s basic scheme for all these years made win to go in the opposite direction which is what Nolan’s scheme entails.

We need a more complex defense. Im tired of bum QBs like Mitch Trubisky picking us apart because he knows what we are doing defensively.

All im saying is, when I look at clips after the game week in/week out, I see way more signs of bad players than bad coaching.

If hes fired and its McCarthy’s decision and his decision only, I couldnt care less as long as he gets someone in here that can do the job. On the same token, I dont think any current DC can make this defense a top-15 D

I don't know of anyone who said a different DC could make them a Top 15 defense. But I suspect there are DCs that would get more out of this group than Nolan has.

And no, I am not just going by his last stop, although that should factor in. He's been largely hit or miss much of his career. And after Atlanta, he couldn't sniff another coordinator job for 5 years until his buddy got the job in Dallas. That should tell you something. Talented DCs don't usually get relegated to the sideline like Nolan had been.

Now throw in comments from past players like Samuel and Sherman, who said his defenses weren't all that great and way too complex.

It paints a picture of just a bad hire and frankly if the defense continues to suck why in the world would you let this guy then have a heavy influence in remaking the defense? I mean we just saw up close the kind of long term impact a DC who pushes questionable player acquisitions can have as we look at mistakes like Charlton and possibly Hill.

There is a WIDE CHASM of coaching between vanilla Marinelli and overly complex Nolan. I am not sure why we had to go to the ridiculous opposite extreme from Marinelli/Richard with our DC hire. But then again, when you realize Nolan was a McCarthy buddy, that explains where we are.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Interesting interview with Charles Haley on the Michael Irvin Podcast today. As you would expect with Mike quite a bit of nonsense but when they talked about the Cowboys in depth, Haley had some very strong views including:

1) It's not the coaches, it's the players they are gutless.
2) D Law is no leader
3) Jaylon has not recovered from his foot injury
4) Dalton was a poor signing and has never shown he can handle the spotlight.
5) Recounted a bizarre story from last season when a Cowboys coach on DEF tried to explain to a player (who I think is still on the team) what he needed to improve and the player just walked out of the room.
6) Thinks nothing can be done for this season, need a complete overhaul of personnel

He then had some critical comments to say about Tom Brady and when he was with the Patriots organisation.

Well worth a listen

Was thinking Haley was on to something until the supposedly Brady comments, don't know how critical you can be about a quarterback who's led his team to 6 SB wins, with 2 more appearances.
And as to no. 5, Haley's been retired from the Cowboys for 24 years, seriously doubt he has much contact with current Cowboys players.

The story may be true, but to me it smacks of somebody making this up. Haven't been able to find the actual podcast. If someone can find it please post a link and I'll be willing to believe it...