Dak at whatever deal + cost controlled blue chip defenders is looking really good

[aikemirv]

Everyone keeps pounding the table for a cheap, cost controlled rookie qb, but the alternative can arguably be just as effective. Keeping Dak with this offense and infusing the defense with high picks is probably a much better proposition.

discuss.
(Except pappy and the usual suspects )

You will have no money left if you really want to clean house. Demarcus has to be the first to go. Then Jaylon. Their cap hits will kill you too but you have to get rid of those 2-cancers to team!

 

[ondaedg]

Why didn't the Chip Kelly offense work in the NFL? you think that Dak could have slow starts every game this seasons and then turn it on, put up a lot of yards, and have that be sustainable?

Say after me: “Dak only plays offense. Dak only plays offense.” Now go and be free!

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Say after me: “Dak only plays offense. Dak only plays offense.” Now go and be free!

Well of course, but if we overpay, and there is not enough money left for contracts on the defensive side, how are we going to do better than 8-8? How do we know that Dak will be the same guy after he comes back from the injury? If anything, the injury has diminished his value.

 

[ondaedg]

Well of course, but if we overpay, and there is not enough money left for contracts on the defensive side, how are we going to do better than 8-8? How do we know that Dak will be the same guy after he comes back from the injury? If anything, the injury has diminished his value.

I am not convinced we have to throw big money at the defense. Marinelli’s guys only work in his style of defense which is why they are struggling in Nolan’s. A couple of drafts and free agency sessions will fix this. Losing Dak will make it even tougher to win unless we get super lucky in the draft.

 

[Future]

That's not the Commanders. Commanders got rid of Kirk Cousins, traded for Alex Smith and lost McVey and Shanahan back to back. If they had gotten a player of Dak's caliber first they'd be a legit team in the NFC East. They got nearly every other position. They aren't deep but they have a nice base on offense.

"Everything but a quarterback" is absolutely the Commanders. They have invested a ton of draft capital in the defense, but they don't have a quarterback - or more than one actual NFL wide receiver - so they're not closer to being a Super Bowl contender now than they were a decade ago.

 

[Bigdog]

He doesn’t though.


Deshaun Watson is HEAD and SHOULDERS above Lawrence as a quarterback.


Watson has a 6th sense for the pocket, is a better playmaker, and much more athletic even with two torn ACLS. The way he tore up the bills defense in the playoffs last year was amazing.


What does Lawrence do better?

I am talking he has a better skill set than Dak and I like Dak. For one he has a stronger arm and has better accuracy

 

[32BellyOption]

Everyone keeps pounding the table for a cheap, cost controlled rookie qb, but the alternative can arguably be just as effective. Keeping Dak with this offense and infusing the defense with high picks is probably a much better proposition.

discuss.
(Except pappy and the usual suspects )

I’m a big believer in Dak but if we end up with the top pick I’m not walking, I’m running the card up with Trevor Lawrence’s name on it.

 

[Proof]

How do we even know that Dak will be the same player if he comes back?

brady, brees, Rogers, bridgewater, tannehill, wentz, mahomes, garrapolo, Big Ben, etc etc

 

[Proof]

So you want to be the Commanders? Good plan

the skins would be NASTY with Dak right now.

 

[Proof]

Why didn't the Chip Kelly offense work in the NFL? you think that Dak could have slow starts every game this seasons and then turn it on, put up a lot of yards, and have that be sustainable?

Umm 2 things. We’ve already seen him sustain it for 16 games.

and the thinking is that the defense being all time bad is the unsustainable part. Dak has shown he can do it. No defense in nfl history has shown they can be this bad

 

[kevinhickey]

Everyone keeps pounding the table for a cheap, cost controlled rookie qb, but the alternative can arguably be just as effective. Keeping Dak with this offense and infusing the defense with high picks is probably a much better proposition.

discuss.
(Except pappy and the usual suspects )

I would like to believe you that your method could work; but my eyes and heart are telling me that the issues with this team are serious. The coach is going no where. The salary cap is going to be reduced and and we are going to be faced with signing Dak. I really think Jerry has every intention of signing him to Jerry’s type deal or franchising him again as the season started. What is on his mind now, after the mess we are witnessing? Will the players performance change his mind on a rebuild?

 

[Proof]

Well of course, but if we overpay, and there is not enough money left for contracts on the defensive side, how are we going to do better than 8-8? How do we know that Dak will be the same guy after he comes back from the injury? If anything, the injury has diminished his value.

By getting cheap defenders with high draft picks. Kinda the entire premise of the thread

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Everyone keeps pounding the table for a cheap, cost controlled rookie qb, but the alternative can arguably be just as effective. Keeping Dak with this offense and infusing the defense with high picks is probably a much better proposition.

discuss.
(Except pappy and the usual suspects )

They’re both good options but you could possibly have both depending on what teams would give up for Dak.

 

[Proof]

They’re both good options but you could possibly have both depending on what teams would give up for Dak.

true. If they’re able to draft fields or Lawrence and trade Dak that’s fantastic too

 

[Future]

the skins would be NASTY with Dak right now.

Nope. Who are you cutting to afford him? Even at Dak's current cap hit, the Skins would have to cut over $10m. Scherff? Kerrigan? Letting Payne and/or Allen walk after next year? They don't even save money cutting Landon Collins.

They're a team that has $145m committed to next year - with Scherff to re-sign - and are terrible. Dak makes them better, but not by much, because they'd lose a big chunk of the little good that they currently have.

It doesn't even matter who their quarterback is anyways, they don't have the skill guys to develop a potent passing offense.

 

[SackMaster]

Who are you signing?
Teams don’t let players worth keeping leave via FA. Yet we keep hearing about how getting rid of Dak is going to allow us to add a bunch of awesome starters on defense. A legit free agent starter on defense who isn’t over the hill is extremely expensive.

No no no.

You see, in Madden you can control who every team signs. If we don't let the other teams sign all their best players, we can just sign whoever we want.

Pssshhhh.

 

[ultron]

Everyone keeps pounding the table for a cheap, cost controlled rookie qb, but the alternative can arguably be just as effective. Keeping Dak with this offense and infusing the defense with high picks is probably a much better proposition.

discuss.
(Except pappy and the usual suspects )

Without a doubt. Dak has proven he has what it takes to win in the NFL, he kept this team in games they didn’t belong in and never had a season with a losing record. If you draft a kid, you’re betting he’s better than Dak (a top 10 QB in the universe). You build a young, fast, smart defense and keep Dak. We have 11 picks in this draft: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 7th.

 

[Proof]

Nope. Who are you cutting to afford him? Even at Dak's current cap hit, the Skins would have to cut over $10m. Scherff? Kerrigan? Letting Payne and/or Allen walk after next year? They don't even save money cutting Landon Collins.

They're a team that has $145m committed to next year - with Scherff to re-sign - and are terrible. Dak makes them better, but not by much, because they'd lose a big chunk of the little good that they currently have.

It doesn't even matter who their quarterback is anyways, they don't have the skill guys to develop a potent passing offense.

Umm Daks current cap hit is 31 million lol. It assuredly wouldn’t be if they acquired him. And mclaurin and Gibson are definitely passing have building blocks to build around.

And sure, considering the depth of their DL, yeah let Kerrigan go. Payne, whatever. Still have young, sweat, Allen and whichever of the former you choose.


None of that matters though because I just said they’d be nasty with him. Hypothetically , as constructed. And they would.

 

[Future]

Umm Daks current cap hit is 31 million lol. It assuredly wouldn’t be if they acquired him. And mclaurin and Gibson are definitely passing have building blocks to build around.

And sure, considering the depth of their DL, yeah let Kerrigan go. Payne, whatever. Still have young, sweat, Allen and whichever of the former you choose.


None of that matters though because I just said they’d be nasty with him. Hypothetically , as constructed. And they would.

Why do you think it would be less? If it is less this year, it would be astronomical 2-3 years from now. If they were to trade for him, he could just name his price, because he has all the leverage.

Just let them go...Payne and Allen are their two most important players on defense. You let one go, and everyone else is worse. Now, all of a sudden, you're weak at one of the DT spots, your edges are less effective, and you've handicapped what you've been trying to build for the last 3-4 years, without investing enough to build a roster around a $40m qb.

Hypothetically adding players without talking about the cap ramifications is pretty pointless. There are a lot of teams that would be nasty if you just pick and choose guys to add to the roster.

 

[Silly]

With or without Dak, Dallas is not going to win anything. Dak would be smart to look for a new team.